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Two Shot at Muhammad Art Exhibit [W:439, 529, 978, 1489]

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Couch it anyway you like, but it sure sounds to me like picking a fight - then claiming you've been attacked once you've succeeded.

Yes indeed. That's clearly Geller's intent.
 
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She did.

She offended the prophet mohammed which is now bad. Obama said so.

The moral of all this is don't mess with Obama's faith.

Did Obama specifically condemn this event?

You simply cannot be taken seriously. You make EVERYTHING 100% about Obama. Worst case of ODS on the forum.
 
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Wow.. such a compelling rebuttal.

Since 2001, jihadists have killed 13 people on US soil. Right wing extremists have killed 34. Exactly zero jihadists aquired or used chemical or biological weapons compared to 13 right wing terrorists, one left wing terrorist, and two with idiosyncratic beliefs.

Frazier Glenn Cross killed three people at two Jewish centers in 2014. He founded the Carolina Knights of the KKK and the White Patriot Party.
Wade Michael Page killed six people at a Sikh temple in 2012, twice the death toll of the Boston Marathon bombings. He was in a white supremacist band.
Shawna Forde, Albert Gaxiola, and Jason Bush raided a home in Arizona in 2009, killing two in an effort to fund their anti-immigration vigilante group, Minutemen American Defense.
In 2009 Scot Roeder murdered Dr. George Tiller. Scott Roeder also had ties to the Sovereign Citizens.


And many many more...
I'm not saying that jihadists aren't a threat, but in order of danger it goes something like this : Right Wing Terrorists > Unaffiliated Terrorists > Left Wing Terrorists > Islamic Terrorists.
 
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You're in her same league. Do you need to draw pictures that offend somebody else in order to feel important, hmm. Do you need to color cartoons that offend somebody in order to stand up and beat your chest that you've defended your right to free speech, is that what makes Grant feel like a big man?

This is something everyone interested in censorship and violence should read, absorb, and try to understand. Understand also this is not about me.

It is most important to keep on challenging these would-be censors, so that people with Kalashnikov rifles do not make our customs and laws.

One of the false presumptions of our time is that people on the political left are motivated by good intentions even when they do bad things, while people on the political right are motivated by bad intentions even when they do good things.

When people prefer to focus on the motives of the victims rather than on the motives of the attackers, they will ignore the single most important matter: that an art exhibition, or free speech, has been targeted.

It does not matter if you are right-wing or left-wing, or American, Danish, Dutch, Belgian or French. These particularities may matter greatly and be endlessly interesting to people in the countries in question. But they matter not a jot to ISIS or their fellow-travellers. What these people are trying to do is to enforce Islamic blasphemy laws across the entire world. That is all that matters.
The Cartoon Wars
 
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So criticizing Geller's bigot-fest is off limits?

There's a lot of folks being shouted down being called bigots when they hold different views from others. A tactic used to attempt to silence them. And it is working quite well because more and more folks are becoming timid and apprehensive to say what they truly believe because of the repercussions that may follow.
 
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And some people call a spade a spade, GASP!Failures of Islam? WTF?
You feel Islam has been a success and has led to the betterment of its practitioners??Or do you generally associate it with poverty and ignorance?
 
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Good luck proving that one.

It's actually not that hard, its' just math. Even if Muslims are more likely to be terrorists, there just aren't very many in the US. Less than 1% of the US is Muslim. Compare that to ~30% Right Wing Conservatives. So even if a Muslim is 10x more likely to be a terrorist than a right winger, there would still be 3x as many right wing terrorists.
 
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No, in the "mind of the leftists," Geller is a bigoted asshole. NOBODY is saying she deserves terrorists attacking her.

You gotta love that liberal tolerance
 
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There's a lot of folks being shouted down being called bigots when they hold different views from others. A tactic used to attempt to silence them. And it is working quite well because more and more folks are becoming timid and apprehensive to say what they truly believe because of the repercussions that may follow.

Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.
 
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That's a load of horse apples and you damn well know it. Nobody calls critics of "radical" Islam "bigots," unless they are also roping normal, peaceful, run of the mill Muslims under their tent of BS. Of course, in conservaland, peaceful Muslims apparently don't exist.
Have you never heard the claim that "Not all Muslims are terrorists"? This is generally accepted idea but the point is that there are many who are, or sympathize with them. Why should this have to be explained so frequently??
Don't mind if I do.
Great stuff! Now if you didn't equivocate in other posts and left it at that then you would have shown your concern is genuinely about art critics with sub machine guns.
 
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Have you never heard the claim that "Not all Muslims are terrorists"? This is generally accepted idea but the point is that there are many who are, or sympathize with them. Why should this have to be explained so frequently??
Great stuff! Now if you didn't equivocate in other posts and left it at that then you would have shown your concern is genuinely about art critics with sub machine guns.

I'm going to assume by "equivocate," you mean dare criticize Pam Geller.
 
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I have had the "pleasure" of seeing Choudary's rants in favour of murder and terrorism on several European channels. The man should have been deported ages ago.
He should have been disposed of long ago.
 
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Oh Christ, shut the **** UP about "Christian extremists." They're not the problem.

Well, I will talk about whomever I want. And Christian extremists are just as much a problem as muslim extremists, the only good thing is that most often the Christian extremists do not use terrorism.
 
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This is something everyone interested in censorship and violence should read, absorb, and try to understand. Understand also this is not about me.

The Cartoon Wars

I don't want Geller or anybody else to be censored, ever. But we all self censor regularly. And even if I think something to be cute or funny, if I think that I might be offending somebody with it, I may abstain. Surely you've done the same. If those people whom my cute and funny may provoke a group inclined to want to chop my head off for it, I may have added incentive to abstain. But feel free to support the completely gratuitous provocation to Islamic extremists and accept the continuos attacks by them. At least you guys can stand on your free speech.
 
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Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

But what is happening far surpasses criticism, it has become a policing by elite groups in the media and academia deeming what is acceptable speech and opinions.
 
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Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.
"When people prefer to focus on the motives of the victims rather than on the motives of the attackers, they will ignore the single most important matter: that an art exhibition, or free speech, has been targeted".
 
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I'm going to assume by "equivocate," you mean dare criticize Pam Geller.
You don't have to "dare" to criticize Pamela Geller. You are free to do so with absolutely no risk whatsoever. Like you, the Islamists are also being critical of Pamela Geller but they want to kill her. You call her a "bigot" while they call her a "pig".

There is a difference of degrees here for sure.
 
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But what is happening far surpasses criticism, it has become a policing by elite groups in the media and academia deeming what is acceptable speech and opinions.
Sure. And they will silence anyone who tries to hold a similar gathering in the future. The Islamists are on a roll while free speech is being condemned.

These two dead Muslims are nothing except for temporary bragging rights.The international trend of self criticism and appeasement is moving only in one direction.
 
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"When people prefer to focus on the motives of the victims rather than on the motives of the attackers, they will ignore the single most important matter: that an art exhibition, or free speech, has been targeted".

The Islamic extremists don't care about free speech. They care about their prophet being openly ridiculed. If Geller or anybody else feels the urge to do so, they have a first amendment right on their side. In the meantime, hopefully gratuitously drawing cartoons of Mohamed is worth the risk of having ones head chopped off. I say she should continue staging her silly faux free speech demonstrations and accept the consequences.
 
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I don't want Geller or anybody else to be censored, ever. But we all self censor regularly. And even if I think something to be cute or funny, if I think that I might be offending somebody with it, I may abstain. Surely you've done the same. If those people whom my cute and funny may provoke a group inclined to want to chop my head off for it, I may have added incentive to abstain. But feel free to support the completely gratuitous provocation to Islamic extremists and accept the continuos attacks by them. At least you guys can stand on your free speech.
Yes, self-censoring ourselves against the possibility of an angry Muslim response makes so much sense. Their acts of intimidation and violence is best met with silence, lest someone gets hurt.

Do you have a Plan B?
 
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The Islamic extremists don't care about free speech. They care about their prophet being openly ridiculed. If Geller or anybody else feels the urge to do so, they have a first amendment right on their side. In the meantime, hopefully gratuitously drawing cartoons of Mohamed is worth the risk of having ones head chopped off. I say she should continue staging her silly faux free speech demonstrations and accept the consequences.
I do as well, and hope there are many advocates of free speech who support her.

That anyone needs armed guards in America today to exercise their freedom of speech is apparently going unnoticed, that this is a natural consequence of criticizing Islam. And not being critical of Islam, but the critic, seems to have gained a great deal of support.
 
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I have to admit that I'm mystified by the now-you've-gone-and-made-them-mad reaction by far too many normally somewhat thoughtful people about this whole Mohammed cartoon thing.
Some have actually tried to say it's not Constitutionally protected speech.
Others have danced around the fact that it is protected speech but it's offensive so it shouldn't be allowed.

What the hell is happening here?
We should be working overtime to demonstrate that we DON'T fold to intimidation.
Instead we show a timidity that extends to foreign dealings that are more serious than cartoons.
 
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Yes, self-censoring ourselves against the possibility of an angry Muslim response makes so much sense. Their acts of intimidation and violence is best met with silence, lest someone gets hurt.

Do you have a Plan B?

So your position is that not gratuitously offending another via self censorship is the same as cowering in silence. Fine Grant, beat your chest in triumphal free speech and accept the consequences for your senseless and needless Offense.
 
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