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Two Shot at Muhammad Art Exhibit [W:439, 529, 978, 1489]

Re: Two Shot at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

Yes I think it's horrible and I'm glad it doesn't go on in my country. If you knew anything about my postsin the Europe section I am anything but a defender of Islam however I am also not defender of stupidity and hosting a "lets draw the prophet" party is right up there with sticking a fork into a live toaster.

Whether its " stupid " or not is your opinion.

Depictions cartoon or otherwise of the prophet Mohammed are punshable be death, Homosexuality is punishibale by death.

Is it " stupid " for someone to be a Homosexual in Saudi Arabia ? Did they bring that death sentence upon themselves ?
 
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Yes I think it's horrible and I'm glad it doesn't go on in my country. If you knew anything about my postsin the Europe section I am anything but a defender of Islam however I am also not defender of stupidity and hosting a "lets draw the prophet" party is right up there with sticking a fork into a live toaster.

Well in this country we have freedom of speech, and shooting someone for drawing a picture is and should be treated as a crime regardless of religious affiliation. The "offended" in this case do not have the right to murder over it.
 
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Liberal bull****.

No man shall live in threat of his life for declaring that which be believes. The only exceptions are the inevitable shouting fire in a theatre.

FFS you people love to see Jesus depicted as a clown, gay, laughing on the cross, and Christians don't blow **** up, and if they did, you would have them hunted and killed. FFS, a girl in Indiana speculates about a pizza catered gay wedding and draws death threats, and not one liberal, from the President to whatever worm is running for the job had not one comment. They tacitly approved those death threats.

Now, here you are tacitly approving and excusing mob violence to silence free speech.

What we all love about "progressive" ethics is that they are as flexible as a snake
You're rabid. Did they let you out of the mental asylum for the day? Keep taking the tablets.
 
Re: Two Shot at Muhammad Art Exhibit in Texas

Yes I think it's horrible and I'm glad it doesn't go on in my country. If you knew anything about my postsin the Europe section I am anything but a defender of Islam however I am also not defender of stupidity and hosting a "lets draw the prophet" party is right up there with sticking a fork into a live toaster.

Hi Higgins,

The problem with that line of thought is that once you capitulate to the extremists, then they've succeeded in their goal and won.

They bring guns to such events in order to cow you in to not holding them, do you really want to send the message that such violent tactics work and that we're easily pushed around?

Personally, I'm glad I live in Texas where this kind of thing wasn't tolerated. The two perps were shot dead on the spot, and no other deaths took place. Let that be a lesson to Muslim extremists the other way. This is our country, and freedom of speech isn't something we're gonna give up without a fight. You bring a gun to Texas, you better be aware that everyone else is gonna have one too and are not afraid to draw...
 
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You're rabid. Did they let you out of the mental asylum for the day? Keep taking the tablets.

That's an unfortunate and irrelevant Ad Hom reply.

We try to set the standards here a little higher than that and applaud thought out responses in context to the subject matter presented in the OP.
 
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Whether its " stupid " or not is your opinion.

Depictions cartoon or otherwise of the prophet Mohammed are punshable be death, Homosexuality is punishibale by death.

Is it " stupid " for someone to be a Homosexual in Saudi Arabia ? Did they bring that death sentence upon themselves ?

They need to get over themselves. A funny cartoon of Muhammad is nowhere near as offensive as piss Christ, but you don't see Christians storming art galleries with guns do you?

Ppl like this make all Muslims look bad. They need to get control of their extremists or they can't complain when public opinion of Islam is so low.
 
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whomever that cops was that took at 2 attackers, with semi-auotmatic rifles, with his service pistol.. and killed them both where they stood... needs an award.

good shootin, my man.. good shootin'

oh, and I don't give a **** what you are saying.. a valid "consequence" for speech is not death.... contrary speech, absolutely... death?.. no.

to those of you whom speak, or even hint, as if they "had it comin'". you're an asshole, flat out.
you can have a rally of KKK affilliated, Nambla endorsed, ISIS sympathiizin', neo-nazi Hitler sychophants, that have a contest drawing Jesus, Mohhamed, and Buddha, using only thier own feces... and they are perfectly in the right to express themselves without fear of getting killed by anyone.

Only in Texas.

Any other state or country and the peeps would have taken out a few innocent ppl. Texas' finest really are the finest.
 
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That's an unfortunate and irrelevant Ad Hom reply.

We try to set the standards here a little higher than that and applaud thought out responses in context to the subject matter presented in the OP.
I don't usually stoop to that level but the poster had not replied to me before. He was out to insult me and make me and my opinions look stupid. I'll happily engage in civilised debate with him if he makes the effort to deal with my points in a civilised way himself.
 
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Oddly enough, the dead Muslims proved Geller right

Correct. Muslims everywhere should feel shame over the fact that this sort of thing has become commonplace. Was anybody surprised when they turned on the news to learn two muslim extremists had tried to storm a building with guns and kill lots of people?

This is a Muslim problem
 
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Not entirely if showing something and depicting something to stir controversy is not always pathetic and ignorant as it can be the best way to bring light of an issue .

......... Tangent time ...... .........
People are allowed to do this and rightfully so. Nothing is infallible and beyond criticism even someones religious beliefs. A mere drawing for and depiction is no reason to do violence.

The issue here is simple. This event was designed to get a reaction from the "enemy", either in the US (preferably I bet) or abroad some where. It was the whole goal of the organizers to provoke and they are hiding behind this so called free speech.... free speech they want to deny Muslims.. oddly enough.

Now they got the reaction exactly as they had hoped, so they can now use this attack in their hate filled ignorant jihad/crusade against Islam and in turn the radicals in Islam will use this event and attack to bolster their radical ideas within Islam by claiming "look the Christians are attacking us" bull****. This is never ending crap and it has to stop.

Religious wars are dangerous as hell.. ask the French about their religious wars that cost them up to 25% of their population (some say up to 40%) because of Christians fighting it out over who loves Jesus more. Or the English religious wars that burnt Christians at the stake because they believed in a different idea of Christianity.. Or Christian slaughter of Jerusalem in 1099. The list of wars and atrocities done in the name of religion go on and on, and this event was just another skirmish in a new war between radical Christians and Muslims... and it has to freaking stop.
 
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So you see no difference between somebody voicing an opinion of view you find distatesteful and offensive and somebody trying to kill someone? I do see a big difference.

Considering that this so called voicing of an opinion was designed to create a reaction somewhere... then this is no different than the actual act committed. It is like shouting fire in a crowded theatre and people getting trampled to death.. you are still responsible for the trampling even though you have your "free speech" to shout fire.
 
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I don't usually stoop to that level but the poster had not replied to me before. He was out to insult me and make me and my opinions look stupid. I'll happily engage in civilised debate with him if he makes the effort to deal with my points in a civilised way himself.

When you capitulate, or become cowed as a society because you fear irrational Muslims overreacting to something as harmless as a cartoon with deadly violence...you've lost not only your balls but your soul as well.

You can't let a bunch of immigrants come in and push you around. This is Texas, we have freedom of speech and hold it very dear here. Outsiders are welcome, but if you're so offended by someone else's speech that you think violent outrage is the correct response, you need to get your ass out of my state and back to whatever sand dune you came from.

We're not moving one inch, or giving up one iota of our freedom for these pretenders.
 
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Considering that this so called voicing of an opinion was designed to create a reaction somewhere... then this is no different than the actual act committed. It is like shouting fire in a crowded theatre and people getting trampled to death.. you are still responsible for the trampling even though you have your "free speech" to shout fire.

Deadly force is a vast, vast OVERREACTION to something as silly as a cartoon.

Other people should be expected to act rationally.

I'm not buying this European line that somehow the victims were asking for it. You guys are wrong on this one.

Is the girl who wears a short skirt who gets raped at fault for her own rape? That's the same logic you're using
 
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The issue here is simple. This event was designed to get a reaction from the "enemy", either in the US (preferably I bet) or abroad some where.
Who used the word 'enemy', apart from you?
It was the whole goal of the organizers to provoke and they are hiding behind this so called free speech.... free speech they want to deny Muslims.. oddly enough.
It is not 'so-called' free speech, it is free speech. And what free speech is being denied to Muslims?
 
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Deadly force is a vast, vast OVERREACTION to something as silly as a cartoon. Other people should be expected to act rationally. I'm not buying this European line that somehow the victims were asking for it. You guys are wrong on this one.Is the girl who wears a short skirt who gets raped at fault for her own rape? That's the same logic you're using
Many Europeans are 'compromising' on a lot of issues that would have been unacceptable just a few years ago. In fact the leader of a major political party wants to make "Islamophobia" illegal, and many of the sheep have already fallen into line.. Labour Party's Ed Miliband says he would make 'Islamophobia' illegal if he becomes UK PM - The Rebel
 
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Considering that this so called voicing of an opinion was designed to create a reaction somewhere... then this is no different than the actual act committed. It is like shouting fire in a crowded theatre and people getting trampled to death.. you are still responsible for the trampling even though you have your "free speech" to shout fire.

No, that is not true at all. Shouting "fire" in a movie theater is a hazard to the public because it creates panic. Drawing a picture of a mythical character is not a public hazard. It's just offensive to ONE religious cult.
 
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Considering that this so called voicing of an opinion was designed to create a reaction somewhere... then this is no different than the actual act committed. It is like shouting fire in a crowded theatre and people getting trampled to death.. you are still responsible for the trampling even though you have your "free speech" to shout fire.
It seems there was fire in the theater and the Garland police quickly put it out.
 
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No, that is not true at all. Shouting "fire" in a movie theater is a hazard to the public because it creates panic. Drawing a picture of a mythical character is not a public hazard. It's just offensive to ONE religious cult.
How brainwashed and backward would anyone have to be to want to kill innocent people over a cartoon? They need an Intervention, and luckily the Garland police supplied one.
 
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How brainwashed and backward would anyone have to be to want to kill innocent people over a cartoon? They need an Intervention, and luckily the Garland police supplied one.

I think many more are in need of the same intervention.
 
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Well in this country we have freedom of speech, and shooting someone for drawing a picture is and should be treated as a crime regardless of religious affiliation. The "offended" in this case do not have the right to murder over it.

No they don't and if a crime is committed they would be punished either by the law or in this case killed, however this doesn't stop them doing trying. Just not sure why I should feel sorry for someone who has put themselves in that dangerous situation and potentially endangered others?
 
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The issue here is simple. This event was designed to get a reaction from the "enemy", either in the US (preferably I bet) or abroad some where. It was the whole goal of the organizers to provoke and they are hiding behind this so called free speech.... free speech they want to deny Muslims.. oddly enough.

Now they got the reaction exactly as they had hoped, so they can now use this attack in their hate filled ignorant jihad/crusade against Islam and in turn the radicals in Islam will use this event and attack to bolster their radical ideas within Islam by claiming "look the Christians are attacking us" bull****. This is never ending crap and it has to stop.

Religious wars are dangerous as hell.. ask the French about their religious wars that cost them up to 25% of their population (some say up to 40%) because of Christians fighting it out over who loves Jesus more. Or the English religious wars that burnt Christians at the stake because they believed in a different idea of Christianity.. Or Christian slaughter of Jerusalem in 1099. The list of wars and atrocities done in the name of religion go on and on, and this event was just another skirmish in a new war between radical Christians and Muslims... and it has to freaking stop.

Is being homosexual meant to get a reaction from Islamic extremist ? Homosexuals in Iran or Saudi Arabia, are they simply trying to get a reaction ?

Because whether you depict Muhammad as a Cartoon character or you embrace your homosexuality the consequences are the same.

Death.
 
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I think you're missing the point, or I am... seem he was saying that our extreme conservatives (whose values are actually pretty damned close to the extreme Islamists) are into killing each other. We take armies and drones to kill them, they endeavor to kill ours through more individual means, but they are all out to kill each, the extreme religious right wing Christians, and the extreme religious right wing Muslims.

maybe I figured he was talking about this story
 
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Take a look at any thread about atheism, and tell me there isn't provocation there?

We can and we should poke holes in "sacred" bull****, if the "sacred" can't handle it then let them suffer.

This is the best example of American-style justice I have seen in this "un-holy war on terror", the first real backbone that isn't politically cleansed for "domestic consumption", the kind of thing that should have happened in Benghazi.

Two men show up, pull out guns and get taken out by a traffic cop.

If the US needed a new way to say "Don't Tread On Me", they have it in spades. They might think about this kind of **** in Paris, but not in ****ing Texas, now likely the safest place in the union.

The only good terrorists is a dead terrorist.

Oh we already know the left is merely using that argument (provocation) to hide behind here because it suits them. Elsewhere, where it also suits them-they do the precise opposite.

Too bad a CCW holder didn't stop them-that would have really put the left in a tight spot. :lol:
 
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Hi Higgins,

The problem with that line of thought is that once you capitulate to the extremists, then they've succeeded in their goal and won.

They bring guns to such events in order to cow you in to not holding them, do you really want to send the message that such violent tactics work and that we're easily pushed around?

Personally, I'm glad I live in Texas where this kind of thing wasn't tolerated. The two perps were shot dead on the spot, and no other deaths took place. Let that be a lesson to Muslim extremists the other way. This is our country, and freedom of speech isn't something we're gonna give up without a fight. You bring a gun to Texas, you better be aware that everyone else is gonna have one too and are not afraid to draw...


I just think it's a shame people have to stoop that low to get their opinion heard, I also think its a shame for the Police officers and all other local security forces that are put in danger due to events like these.
 
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Many Europeans are 'compromising' on a lot of issues that would have been unacceptable just a few years ago. In fact the leader of a major political party wants to make "Islamophobia" illegal, and many of the sheep have already fallen into line.. Labour Party's Ed Miliband says he would make 'Islamophobia' illegal if he becomes UK PM - The Rebel

I generally have a lot of respect for Europeans, in fact I'm an immigrant from Europe myself. However, the three Europeans I responded to in this thread all said basically the same thing, and that is that the victims were "asking for it" in other words.

Our European friends are wrong on this issue.

You can't back down and capitulate to this kind of threat. You have to hold strong to your values, in this case Freedom of Speech, or else the crazy guy with the gun accomplishes his goal.

Deadly violence is not a rational response to something as harmless as a cartoon. Citizens and residents of the United States should be held to a standard where they are expected to act rationally. If you're admitting that you can't hold the Muslim population to that standard, then they have no business being let in to this country to begin with.
 
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