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Two Shot at Muhammad Art Exhibit [W:439, 529, 978, 1489]

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Respect is a two way street and, thanks to Charlie Hebdo and this stupid stunt, the entire Muslim world knows more than ever that their religion is not respected by a good portion of Westerners.

Christianity isn't respected by a lot of people either. Neither is Judaïsm. Etc.

I guess you feel that Salman Rushdie was also a stupid provocateur.
 
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:lol: I love this story. "ISIS Learns There Are Such Things As Non-Gun-Free-Zones In The West"

No kidding - not much different than bear hunting by shooting over the bait.

Maybe the extremists will learn not to screw with armed Americans.
 
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Uh? "The entire Muslim world"?
I highly doubt it that the entire >1.5 billion Muslim world feels provoked every single time someone out there draws a picture of Mohammad.
This was a publicity stunt designed to antagonise Muslims and has done this successfully.
 
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Christianity isn't respected by a lot of people either. Neither is Judaïsm. Etc.

I guess you feel that Salman Rushdie was also a stupid provocateur.
He was stupid but I am not sure if he was provocative - he may not have foreseen the strength of the reaction.
 
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Respect is a two way street and, thanks to Charlie Hebdo and this stupid stunt, the entire Muslim world knows more than ever that their religion is not respected by a good portion of Westerners.

Certain parts of it (Islam's horrendous treatment of women, the preponderance of extremism and anti-Semitism among many Muslims, and this ridiculous idea that drawing a picture of a dude is literally the worst thing you can do) don't really deserve to be respected.
 
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While the morons in Texas were wrong to desecrate another religion seemingly for kicks, they still have the right to do it, and to respond to it with violence (as these attackers did) is way, way wronger. Come on, people. Stop making excuses for violent extremists.

On a side note, to a certain poster in thread (I think we all know who) -- wasn't nice knowing you.

No-one on here has made excuses for violent extremists.
 
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He was stupid but I am not sure if he was provocative - he may not have foreseen the strength of the reaction.

You really have absolutely no clue about jihadi terrorism and what it is about, do you?
 
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That is a recent development. If you mocked Christianity in some parts of the South back in the 1970's you would have been shot.

Now that's interesting. Can you show some consistent examples of this?

reinoe said:
Yep. It's thanks to the atheists that freedom of speech really started getting respected when it comes to criticizing Christianity in this country.

:) Actually it's thanks to the Deists and the Christians who supported them.

Anglo-scot said:
No - killing people is not justifiable except in self-defence.

That's interesting. So you can't kill in others defense, eh?

On a separate note, deliberately offending the deepest sensibilities of a group of religious believers is wrong and people shouldn't abuse their freedom of speech in this way.

:) I'll bet you a dollar you don't believe this.
 
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This was a publicity stunt designed to antagonise Muslims and has done this successfully.

I find the actions of the radical Muslims who launched a terror attack against this "publicity stunt" trying to actually murder people to be far more antagonizing than a bunch of old people drawing pictures of Mohammad at some empty school and giggling to each other as they're being "provocative".
 
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No-one on here has made excuses for violent extremists.

However, some people have at least implied that a violent reaction should have been almost expected.
 
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Respect is a two way street and, thanks to Charlie Hebdo and this stupid stunt, the entire Muslim world knows more than ever that their religion is not respected by a good portion of Westerners.

Not based upon their religion of intimidation by terror and violence.

Free men fight back - spineless weasels whine, cry, and wring their hands in fear.

**** the ISIS morons.
 
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Certain parts of it (Islam's horrendous treatment of women, the preponderance of extremism and anti-Semitism among many Muslims, and this ridiculous idea that drawing a picture of a dude is literally the worst thing you can do) don't really deserve to be respected.
If you describe their opinions in that way, perhaps not. But people who hold those opinions, and don't do violence, do deserve respect - because they are people.
 
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Certain parts of it (Islam's horrendous treatment of women, the preponderance of extremism and anti-Semitism among many Muslims, and this ridiculous idea that drawing a picture of a dude is literally the worst thing you can do) don't really deserve to be respected.

Precisely. All cultures are not equal.
 
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Precisely. All cultures are not equal.

That is a whole other discussion, which is pretty irrelevant in this discussion.
 
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If you look at the shooting and your first impulse is to criticize free speech, you are a HUGE part of what is wrong with America.

The funny thing is,an Islam apologist believes that if you don't draw a cartoon everything will be fine.

They don't seem to understand your entire culture,your existence and your lives are offensive to Islam.
 
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That is a whole other discussion, which is pretty irrelevant in this discussion.

Not really. The Western approach to speech you strongly dislike is generally to get over it or, (in some less liberal countries such as Great Britain) to get the government to restrict it. In the Middle East, they tend to either lash you, chop parts off of you, or kill you outright. That's a fairly significant differential.
 
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If you describe their opinions in that way, perhaps not. But people who hold those opinions, and don't do violence, do deserve respect - because they are people.

Hey, if you're a Muslim who practices his or her religion peacefully, have at it. But Islam does have a real extremism problem right now, and if it's not going to be dealt with from the inside, sooner or later it's going to be dealt with from the outside. Murder in the name of religion is never justified.
 
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Hey, if you're a Muslim who practices his or her religion peacefully, have at it. But Islam does have a real extremism problem right now, and if it's not going to be dealt with from the inside, sooner or later it's going to be dealt with from the outside. Murder in the name of religion is never justified.

The problem with jihadi terrorism is not really new. The modern struggle is already going on for almost 40 years now and will undoubtedly continue for many more decades to come.

While the broader issues facing the Islamic world are not unrelated, they are much more broad and less of an immediate concern for the rest of the World.
 
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Nope I'm thinking of the pedophile "prophet" mohammad (may piss be upon him).

Well since the god of the bible is a pedophile, why not Mohammad and the Catholic priests, they're just emulating god, right?
 
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I would advise others in this thread to disregard the hatemonger.
 
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Kudos to the organizers of the event. Location, location, location. Two less crazies in the world.
 
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Kudos to the organizers of the event. Location, location, location. Two less crazies in the world.

I never find the death of other human beings, however much they may have deserved it, to be a reason to rejoice.
 
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If you describe their opinions in that way, perhaps not. But people who hold those opinions, and don't do violence, do deserve respect - because they are people.

Not really Anglo because their views on those issues that Kobie mentioned (Islam's horrendous treatment of women, the preponderance of extremism and anti-Semitism among many Muslims, and this ridiculous idea that drawing a picture of a dude is literally the worst thing you can do) are simply beyond repulsive and deserve no respect whatsoever.

Take Pamela Geller for another example. She's the same as the WBC nutters. She isn't violent. She's a full blown, fair dinkum, right-wing extremist nutjob that should have the freedom to hold her "family day" gatherings without being attacked by extremists on the other side of the fence, but she certainly does not deserve any respect.
 
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Nice to hear from the apologists.

Or from those who value Mattthew 17:27.

But so that we may not cause offense, go to the lake and throw out your line. Take the first fish you catch; open its mouth and you will find a four-drachma coin. Take it and give it to them for my tax and yours

The admonition of Jesus against giving needless offense (and thereby engaging in avoidable confrontations) is still very valid. It clearly applies in this situation. The probably mostly secular cartoon contestants would do will to heed it.

That aside, I am happy about the outcome.
 
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