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Two Shot at Muhammad Art Exhibit [W:439, 529, 978, 1489]

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So you believe they are inciting violence by drawing cartoons of Muhammad? What else incites extremist Muslims to be violent?

Obviously they are inciting them in this case...

...lots of stupid things incite certain Islamic A-holes to be violent.
 
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Obviously they are inciting them in this case...

...lots of stupid things incite certain Islamic A-holes to be violent.

Well, in America, free speech does not include inciting people to be violent. Since radical Islam will kill you for speaking against Islam in any way, should criticism of Islam be illegal?
 
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Then why did you say "Two guys out of a billion"? Are there a billion Muslims in the US?

Uhh, there are a billion Muslims. Two Muslims attacked in this incident. ??? What am I missing?

Right. You are being intimidated and that's how the Islamists want you to react. They will become ever more bold because Americans will turn on each other, fearful of what the Islamists may do next.

I am not intimidated. Not doing things like this were the innocent public might be killed and not doing it at all are two VASTLY different things.

I speak out against radical Islam as much as anybody. I discuss it in class and with other adults. I buy books. I brag about it to the entire world online. I don't hold a contest where innocent people can be blown away though. If some radicals shoot me dead when they find out where I live that is my ****ing problem. If your family is killed because I do it in a public place that is everybody's problem.
 
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Well, in America, free speech does not include inciting people to be violent. Since radical Islam will kill you for speaking against Islam in any way, should criticism of Islam be illegal?

When did I imply that criticism should be illegal?
 
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When did I imply that criticism should be illegal?

Because you're using the word "incitement". It's illegal to use your "freedom of speech" to incite violence.
 
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Because you're using the word "incitement". It's illegal to use your "freedom of speech" to incite violence.

What am I missing? The two words are not analogous at all. Incite. Criticize.
 
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What am I missing? The two words are not analogous at all. Incite. Criticize.

Criticizing Islam will incite them to be violent.... is what you're saying, right?
 
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What am I missing? The two words are not analogous at all. Incite. Criticize.

It's baffling. We can state over and over until the cows wander back into the barn that Geller's brand of vitriol, while repugnant, should not be restricted, and then we're accused of wanting to restrict speech. They have their talking points, and they're sticking to them, facts be damned.
 
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Criticizing Islam will incite them to be violent.... is what you're saying, right?

Don't know how I did not connect that, my bad. I don't see this as criticism. If I criticised you as a parent and said, "hey, giving your son a time-out is more effective than you just up and spanking them Josie" or "spanking doens't work and you should know that it today's day and age" is criticism. If I make a picture of your enraged with your hand slow motion swinging at your kids face that is not criticism. That is just plain old fashioned dickish behaviour meant to piss you off. If "criticism" was all it took why hasn't Fox been attacked daily for years now?
 
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It's baffling. We can state over and over until the cows wander back into the barn that Geller's brand of vitriol, while repugnant, should not be restricted, and then we're accused of wanting to restrict speech. They have their talking points, and they're sticking to them, facts be damned.

I know. I specifically state that what she says should be illegal but that what she also says was meant to incite anger in Muslims and bring out the worst. I don't see how the "right" for a lack of a better demographic loses by admitting this.
 
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I know. I specifically state that what she says should be illegal but that what she also says was meant to incite anger in Muslims and bring out the worst. I don't see how the "right" for a lack of a better demographic loses by admitting this.

It's beyond frustrating. The willful distortion of what "the left" thinks and believes is a brutally dishonest tactic that "the right" is more than eager to engage in. I'm just about ready to say to hell with it. I have better things to do than to sit here and have people lie to my face about what I just posted.
 
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It's beyond frustrating. The willful distortion of what "the left" thinks and believes is a brutally dishonest tactic that "the right" is more than eager to engage in. I'm just about ready to say to hell with it. I have better things to do than to sit here and have people lie to my face about what I just posted.

Both sides have their debate tactics and this one is every bit as frustrating as when the left pulls the "bigot" card... ;)
 
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Don't know how I did not connect that, my bad. I don't see this as criticism. If I criticised you as a parent and said, "hey, giving your son a time-out is more effective than you just up and spanking them Josie" or "spanking doens't work and you should know that it today's day and age" is criticism. If I make a picture of your enraged with your hand slow motion swinging at your kids face that is not criticism. That is just plain old fashioned dickish behaviour meant to piss you off. If "criticism" was all it took why hasn't Fox been attacked daily for years now?

Okaaaay.... the word "criticism" isn't really the word that we're discussing. It's "incitement". Do you believe that Pamela Geller incited violence and will continue to incite violence if she has this event again?
 
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Can we use the responsibility notion elsewhere. Such as, sure that black man the right to eat at the lunch counter, but he to be responsible with his liberties. He can't expect to eat at the counter without consequences.

That was somewhat the way Democrats treated people they didn't like in the Jim Crow era. Some things never change

No, you can't, it's stupid.
 
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Let's try another example. Sure that baby killer has the right to open and abortion clinic, but he has to reap the consequences

Another stupid. And what does that have to do whatsoever with my post that you quoted?
 
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Okaaaay.... the word "criticism" isn't really the word that we're discussing. It's "incitement". Do you believe that Pamela Geller incited violence and will continue to incite violence if she has this event again?

Yes, Geller's audacious exercise in gratuitously offending the Muslim faith most certainly incited the violence brought to bear by the two now deceased attackers. And there's every reason to believe that violence would accompany any future Geller "events". Can you explain for us the benefit of Geller's Mohamed drawing events, its purpose and goals.
 
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Okaaaay.... the word "criticism" isn't really the word that we're discussing. It's "incitement". Do you believe that Pamela Geller incited violence and will continue to incite violence if she has this event again?

I believe 100% that incitement is her goal.
 
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I believe 100% that incitement is her goal.

Alright. And is inciting people to be violent against the law?
 
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Alright. And is inciting people to be violent against the law?

I clearly and repeatedly said that it is not against the law... it is just stupid and can get innocent people killed.
 
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Alright. And is inciting people to be violent against the law?

Of course it is. But it will require someone in law enforcement with the authority/jurisdiction to bring such charges against her. If that doesn't happen, I suppose it just remains stupid, irresponsible, gratuitously provocative speech.
 
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I clearly and repeatedly said that it is not against the law... it is just stupid and can get innocent people killed.

I know you keep saying you don't THINK it should be against the law -- but you don't make the laws. Inciting violence or a riot IS against the law.
 
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I know you keep saying you don't THINK it should be against the law -- but you don't make the laws. Inciting violence or a riot IS against the law.

This is not overtly inciting violence though... but I hear what you are saying.
 
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This is not overtly inciting violence though... but I hear what you are saying.

That's why people keep saying that you think what she did should be against the law. So stop using the word "incitement". Love ya. :)
 
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Like I said, knock yourself out, join her in her adolescent game of colouring ridiculing pictures of Mohamed. Show them bad Muslims you mean business.
Again you people are not worried about pissing off regular Muslims. It is terrorists you are worried about offending. Terrorist who already want to kill you.Terrorists that on a regular bases do all sorts of that offend everyone else from treating women as property to burning religious historical sites and so on. Because if there were no muslim terrorists then you people would have no problem with someone drawing a picture of Mohamed,videos mocking Islam and so on.Just like how people have no problem mocking Christians,Catholics, Mormons,Jews and other groups of people.
 
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