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Two Shot at Muhammad Art Exhibit [W:439, 529, 978, 1489]

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The entire Muslim world should be told that respect comes when Muslims stop murdering cartoonists, then....

Murdering Christians, Jews, Bahai's, atheists, etc. isn't really very nice either.
 
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Long live free speech!

(That being said, remember. If you call someone's mother a whore, you should be ready to get punched in the face.)
 
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If you describe their opinions in that way, perhaps not. But people who hold those opinions, and don't do violence, do deserve respect - because they are people.

As do the people who draw pictures of Mohammed.
 
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You're right; they were provoked needlessly. Or as some would say, "given an occasion for sin," which is itself sinful.

I like your wording better as it shows the spiritual, as well as the secular impact of needless provocation.
 
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Oh for the love of ...

Pretty lousy "false flag" when the only people who died were the perps, wasn't it.

Yes, everything is just a conspiracy to take away The Precious.
Superior police effort by the local PD. Cheers to them.
 
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It is a very dangerous point of view.When I look at these pictures I see brave Afghan women fighting for their rights.Are they brave or stupid,what do you think?Is there anything brave about it?

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Let me tell you what Muslims don't find offensive : NOTHING.

You are clueless about the Islamic culture.You can easily get beaten for drinking water in the middle of summer,in an Anatolian town in Turkey during Ramadan.You can get harassed for not dressing moderately.The list goes on and on...

There's no such thing as "the Islamic culture," unless you're making the patently absurd claim that "the culture" in Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Jordan, Qatar, etc. is exactly the same no matter where you go.

I'm not particularly concerned about what you think about "Islamic culture." And if you're honestly comparing these asswipes in Texas to Afghan women rebelling against the oppression of women that is prevalent in so many parts of that region ... well, you can sell that line of bull**** someplace else.
 
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There's no such thing as "the Islamic culture," unless you're making the patently absurd claim that "the culture" in Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Jordan, Qatar, etc. is exactly the same no matter where you go.

I'm not particularly concerned about what you think about "Islamic culture." And if you're honestly comparing these asswipes in Texas to Afghan women rebelling against the oppression of women that is prevalent in so many parts of that region ... well, you can sell that line of bull**** someplace else.
Killing in the name of Islam is part of their culture. If the thousands dead already don't prove that I guess nothing will.
 
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Speaking of Pam Geller, that shrill bigot was just on CNN a couple minutes ago. She referred to her little Muhammad cartoon contest as a "free speech event."

I don't buy for a moment that this gathering of nimrods was intended to further free speech in America. This was a giant "F you, Muslims" party, and while that does not deserve to be met with violence, that doesn't mean Geller and her flying monkeys aren't douchebags.

So would you say your opinion of Geller elevates you above Geller? Geller's event was no more hate filled than your post.
 
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Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

Which of course, in context, is figurative speech. Jesus spoke of the unrest that his words would bring to the Jewish community. In fact, he stated clearly that he fully expected his apostles to be brutalized for their message, not the other way around.
 
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So would you say your opinion of Geller elevates you above Geller? Geller's event was no more hate filled than your post.

Blame the victim seems to be part of liberal culture, as long as the victim is a conservative
 
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There's no such thing as "the Islamic culture," unless you're making the patently absurd claim that "the culture" in Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Jordan, Qatar, etc. is exactly the same no matter where you go.

I'm not particularly concerned about what you think about "Islamic culture." And if you're honestly comparing these asswipes in Texas to Afghan women rebelling against the oppression of women that is prevalent in so many parts of that region ... well, you can sell that line of bull**** someplace else.

Of course,what's happening in Iran,Turkey,Afghanistan,Saudi Arabia has nothing to with Islam.You're just like some Turks claiming that Saudis and the rest of the ME has misunderstood Islam :D

Those asswipes are protecting your rights which you are taking for granted and don't seem to care about.
 
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So would you say your opinion of Geller elevates you above Geller? Geller's event was no more hate filled than your post.

Ah yes, pointing out that Pam Geller is an unrepentant bigot makes me the one who's truly hateful!

Since I haven't protested the building of a house of worship, headed up any hate groups, put anti-Muslim ads on NYC subway cars, or anything similar, I'd reckon I'm better in that regard than Pamela Geller, thanks.
 
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Of course,what's happening in Iran,Turkey,Afghanistan,Saudi Arabia has nothing to with Islam.You're just like some Turks claiming that Saudis and the rest of the ME has misunderstood Islam :D

Those asswipes are protecting your rights which you are taking for granted and don't seem to care about.

The guys drawing cartoons in Dallas were "protecting my rights"? Oh, please.
 
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So... how did that work out for you in Texas, in an armed society?


Not so good eh? Yeah I sort of figured... :lamo

It did not work well at all. But I am not laughing at that fact (well maybe a chuckle or two). Smugness is tempting (and I have some over the incidnet as well), but look at the wisdom of Matthew 17:27:

But so that we may not cause offense, go to the lake and throw out your line. Take the first fish you catch; open its mouth and you will find a four-drachma coin. Take it and give it to them for my tax and yours."

Giving needless offense and causing a needless confrontation is foolish (secularists, which nearly all of the contestants probably were, should still heed Mt. 17:27). As Nota Bene pointed out, needless offense also directly entices others to sin, which is sinful itself.

In the end, it does not matter how skilled one is at arms*, or whether or not one "won" an avoidable confrontation on a particular occasion.

* Speaking of skill with arms, the firefight was over in 15 seconds with both assault weapon type shooters KIA. No wild shooting and with one exception, no other people even injured. That demonstrates alot of skill. The security guards that I saw in photos looked far more "Blackwater" than ordinary guards or moonlighting PD. My guess is that the orgainizers knew to bring some "ringers".
 
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The guys drawing cartoons in Dallas were "protecting my rights"? Oh, please.
Oddly enough, the dead Muslims proved Geller right
 
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The guys drawing cartoons in Dallas were "protecting my rights"? Oh, please.

As an American, you should be all for protecting theirs.
 
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As an American, you should be all for protecting theirs.

Please link to the post where I claimed they don't have the right to draw cartoons of Muhammad, or that violent response against them was somehow justified. I'll wait.
 
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Or from those who value Mattthew 17:27.

But so that we may not cause offense, go to the lake and throw out your line. Take the first fish you catch; open its mouth and you will find a four-drachma coin. Take it and give it to them for my tax and yours

The admonition of Jesus against giving needless offense (and thereby engaging in avoidable confrontations) is still very valid. It clearly applies in this situation. The probably mostly secular cartoon contestants would do will to heed it.

That aside, I am happy about the outcome.

Look at all the shows that distort the Book of Mormon. I don't see them blowing up buildings and shooting up events like this.

You either believe in free speech or you don't.
 
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Look at all the shows that distort the Book of Mormon. I don't see them blowing up buildings and shooting up events like this.

You either believe in free speech or you don't.

I beleive in free speech (the event was and should be lawful). I also value the wisdom of not giving needless offense.
 
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Look at all the shows that distort the Book of Mormon. I don't see them blowing up buildings and shooting up events like this.

You either believe in free speech or you don't.

I'm not defending the idiots in this story,
but that doesn't mean what you think it means
 
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The guys drawing cartoons in Dallas were "protecting my rights"? Oh, please.

You seem to make fun or question their rights. Rights you should be willing to fight for, not mock.
 
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It did not work well at all. But I am not laughing at that fact (well maybe a chuckle or two).

The wisdom of Matthew 17:27 still applies:

But so that we may not cause offense, go to the lake and throw out your line. Take the first fish you catch; open its mouth and you will find a four-drachma coin. Take it and give it to them for my tax and yours."

Giving needless offense and causing a needless confrontation is still forbidden in Christianity (secularists, which nearly all of the contestants probably were, should still heed Mt. 17:27). In the end, it does not matter how skilled one is at arms*, or whether or not one "won" an avoidable confrontation on a particular occasion.

* Speaking of skill with arms, the firefight was over in 15 seconds with both assault weapon type shooters KIA. No wild shooting and with one exception, no other people even injured. That demonstrates alot of skill. The security guards that I saw in photos looked far more "Blackwater" than ordinary guards or moonlighting PD. My guess is that the orgainizers knew to bring some "ringers".



Yes, I agree. This event is not something I'd endorse or participate in, as I don't find it productive to go out of my way to offend people needlessly.

I have no sympathy for the perps; ISIS needs to be destroyed and its sympathizers are either fanatics or idiots. But the Muhammad drawing event is something offensive to all Muslims and I wouldn't have gone within a mile of the place, willingly.
 
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