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Woman to become NY firefighter despite failing crucial fitness test

the point was


1) there aren''t enough firefighters to get to your house
you die for certain
2) there could be enough firefighters (but some are "weak").
you get saved (and burned) sometimes, you get carried out (less burned) sometimes.


which do you choose in this experiment?

Is there a shortage of people who wish to be firefighters?
 
This is "interesting".

I live in the most "progressive" city in the most "progressive" country in North America. The city council in its wisdom for instance has created $65 million in bicycle lanes to combat global warming, and you can only ride a bike five months of the year. We have a "no nuke" by law preventing any form of nuclear technology within city limits so the Russians can't bomb us, and city hall itself is designated "cultural linear" meaning the staff, in numbers should reflect the percentages of cultures in the city, European, Asian, South Asian/Indian, Filipino, and First Nations.

The members of this council have been the vanguard of gay and lesbian rights, and refuses to accept the federal government's mandate on marijuana growing and dispensing.

We have a Chinese Canadian chief of Police, and the VPD has the highest percentage of women of any force in Canada. Being arrested by a petite Asian woman can be fun....I am told.

However, there is an outright ban on women in the fire department. It has been tried and is deemed to be unsafe. Women gave up applying several years ago

Like I say, interesting.

Vancouver, i guess. Female cops but no female firefighters.? Female cops are fine - as long as they meet the standards.
 
Is there a shortage of people who wish to be firefighters?

What do you think?. You sit around all day playing cards and watching soaps and get 90K a year with great health care and a great pension. Without being a college grad.
 
All affirmative action is wrong even when it's just for jobs at the post office. But when people get jobs as judges and cops and firemen because of race or sex, that's as wrong as anything can be. People are gonna die because de Blasio insists incompetent women get hired.

What the hell? That's ridiculous. de Blasio gets more obnoxious with each passing month.
 
What do you think?. You sit around all day playing cards and watching soaps and get 90K a year with great health care and a great pension. Without being a college grad.

90K!!?? Good lord.
 
Vancouver, i guess. Female cops but no female firefighters.? Female cops are fine - as long as they meet the standards.



And they do very well. I have twice been moved to write letters of commendation, rather entertaining to watch a small woman take down a big bully.
 
i have zero issue with women being cops, firefighters, medics, etc

if they have the fortitude to do the job, more power to them

but lowering the standards so more can pass?

that imo is asking for trouble in the long run

there are certain physical requirements for jobs.....meet them, or dont get the job

and it doesnt matter if you are male, female, or an trans

dont put your fellow cop or firefighter in danger because you cant lift him/her out of the way
 
In private industry where schedules have to be completed on time, an employee like that will eventually be fired. Private industry doesn't put up with that. If you don't want to do the job, male or female, you are out. Now, the federal government keeps them all. It is next to impossible to get rid of a career civil service employee, and that especially hurts when they are that incompetent.

Uhm, this post has nothing to do with the post I replied to. Are y'all conservatives even capable of staying on the topics you yourselves bring up? It sure doesn't seem so. Additionally what you post here is entirely inaccurate, too many people have bosses in private industry that do exactly the same thing, sluff off their own work, demanding more of their employees, and then taking taking credit for the work. It's so commonplace, there are dozens and dozens of movies and tv shows pretty much specifically about this aspect of many bosses. You really need to quit posting this stuff, it just makes you seem really stupid.
 
he was only off by about 96%.

Close enough for government work, amirite?

Off by 83%? Which direction? That's either 15K or ~165K/year.

Though if he were off by 17%, that would be more like 75K/year. 75 is quite a bit for an uneducated job, though I do suppose that they are running into burning buildings. We should really have robots for this by now.
 
Off by 83%? Which direction? That's either 15K or ~165K/year.

Though if he were off by 17%, that would be more like 75K/year. 75 is quite a bit for an uneducated job, though I do suppose that they are running into burning buildings. We should really have robots for this by now.


To be fair (I should have re-read before calculating the error- it's actually worse! because I didn't remember the magnitude of the #)

The median salary/wage of a firefighter is ~46k. See the link I gave earlier. 90k would be in the top decile, and is basically a wage only earned in NYC/etc where the COL is through the roof.
 
To be fair (I should have re-read before calculating the error- it's actually worse! because I didn't remember the magnitude of the #)

The median salary/wage of a firefighter is ~46k. See the link I gave earlier. 90k would be in the top decile, and is basically a wage only earned in NYC/etc where the COL is through the roof.

Ahh, OK. 45 or so I can see as being reasonable.

Still.....robots.
 
Uhm, this post has nothing to do with the post I replied to. Are y'all conservatives even capable of staying on the topics you yourselves bring up? It sure doesn't seem so. Additionally what you post here is entirely inaccurate, too many people have bosses in private industry that do exactly the same thing, sluff off their own work, demanding more of their employees, and then taking taking credit for the work. It's so commonplace, there are dozens and dozens of movies and tv shows pretty much specifically about this aspect of many bosses. You really need to quit posting this stuff, it just makes you seem really stupid.

You changed the subject of my original post to bitching men, and I merely pointed out that leaving a job because you can't stand the pressure, means you don't belong with that responsibility, which would result in your firing in private industry. Then again, in private industry, a cry baby woman, who couldn't handle the pressure would not be promoted regardless of what race she happened to be. I know you are defensive at any post that berates women, since you are probably one of the original women's libbers, but the facts are out there, and it's obvious you can't handle that kind of blatant truth.
 
What happens when there is something up to high for her to reach, or she needs boxes carried upstairs?
 
I thought the same thing but then i realized - No, the liberal judge will say the injured person lacks "standing". Like they did with all the injured soldiers sent into battle by a president they argued was ineligible.

umm those two are not even remotely similar.
one the city has knowingly put someone in danger by having someone that cannot perform the needed requirements vs something made up by people.
 
Sorry, this is liberal bs.

You are tapdancing looking through whats the bigger issue-an unqualified candidate is benefiting despite her qualifications. I dont know why reality flies out the window when is a person of "protected" status, ie everyone but white men.

The fire department is a meritocracy (at least out of the politics, which is a factor here as well)-its not about if men or women should be able to be firefighters and therefore any man or woman should get a job. Its not symbolism. :doh

Errmmmm....what? Considering track record I get the feeling you saw "liberal," and just made up in your mind what I said. Especially considering I didn't think she should pass if she can't pass the FST, but also that it doesn't mean women CAN'T do the job, considering (according to the article) two others did really well in the classroom and on the FST.

Unless you are talking about the last paragraph, in which case I still fail to see the issue. There is an issue having one easier physical test to get into the academy, and another more demanding one to graduate from the academy. Why waste spots and time/resources on people you have no idea will pass the more demanding test? It makes way more sense to do the test as a REQUIREMENT to get into the academy. At least you know they can handle the physical side.


Try reading that again, or what I posted above, because you wellllllll missed what I was saying.
 
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umm those two are not even remotely similar.
one the city has knowingly put someone in danger by having someone that cannot perform the needed requirements vs something made up by people.

The point is the soldiers certainly had standing. They were being killed by obozo's policy!!!! But the judges know they can't let the obozo eligibility get into a courtroom. The evidence against him is just too strong.
 
:lol: I dont think I would hold women accountable for genetics they can't account for.

Some women do have the ability. They should be hired if they are able. That said, those who are not able should not be.
 
The point is the soldiers certainly had standing. They were being killed by obozo's policy!!!! But the judges know they can't let the obozo eligibility get into a courtroom. The evidence against him is just too strong.

And now this fail of a thread has gone completely off the sanity reservation.
 
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