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Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

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Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

Obviously you do not understand that what he has said after, unless it matches what he said previously, is not credible.
But do carry on believing in such nonsense.
Tbh, that's kind of your own personal thing.
And, yes, the rest of us don't understand it or why you cling to it.

:shrug:
 
Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

Tbh, that's kind of your own personal thing.
And, yes, the rest of us don't understand it or why you cling to it.
What a lame thing to say. No it isn't a personal thing.

He clearly stated why he was saying what he was.
His current account is incredible becasue of it.

And this stuff about the rest of us? :doh iLOL

:lamo:lamo:lamo

You do not speak for the rest of any rational body, let alone membership. :doh
 
Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

What a lame thing to say. No it isn't a personal thing.
He clearly stated why he was saying what he was.
His current account is incredible becasue of it.
And this stuff about the rest of us? :doh iLOL
:lamo:lamo:lamo
You do not speak for the rest of any rational body, let alone membership. :doh
so you say
 
Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

Gonzo Rodeo​;1064609867 said:
Excon maintains there is another quote from Allen out there stating the opposite.

I'm still waiting on it.
:doh Failing again. Figures.

The author made it clear who's words he quoted.

Again.

Back to the same bs huh?
Read the article.

The only correct interpretation of those words, becasue of the paragraph construction and quotations, was that the author was quoting the prisoner's words.
Still with the same bs.
The quotes were provided.
Read the article.

While the reporter was speaking of the prisoner, the words were quoted and then he clearly reported, "his statement is contained in an application for a search warrant".


Do you really not understand what "his statement" means?



I have no problem saying that the author may have badly worded his report, but as written the quotations are him saying that those are the prisoners words.
Something is wrong if you can not admit that.
 
Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

:doh Failing again. Figures.

The author made it clear who's words he quoted.

Again.


Please, provide the word-for-word quote.
 
Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

Excon maintains there is another quote from Allen out there stating the opposite.

I'm still waiting on it.

Hell, there are people who maintain they can pick up extraterrestrial communications from their toasters. But can you prove them wrong? No.

Best you just agree with these simple people and let them enjoy those voices in their heads.
 
Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

Please, provide the word-for-word quote.
Still playing your dumb game. Figures.
It has already been given. That is your fault for not paying attention.
As you were already told, go find it, as you are not going to be given it again.
You have even been pointed to it yet still ignore it. :doh
Reread the article and read what is quoted of him saying.
 
Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

Best you just agree with these simple people and let them enjoy those voices in their heads.
Yet there you are responding to him. :doh
 
Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

Still playing your dumb game. Figures.
It has already been given. That is your fault for not paying attention.
As you were already told, go find it, as you are not going to be given it again.
You have even been pointed to it yet still ignore it. :doh
Reread the article and read what is quoted of him saying.

So, where are Allen's words? You haven't provided them. You keep referring to a document that refers to his words.... But nobody has seen the document outside of the police department and one reporter from the Washington Post.

Again, the only QUOTES provided anywhere from Allen refute what you wish to believe he said.

You can win this argument simply by quoting Donta Allen. This you have not done.
 
Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

So, where are Allen's words? You haven't provided them. You keep referring to a document that refers to his words.... But nobody has seen the document outside of the police department and one reporter from the Washington Post.

Again, the only QUOTES provided anywhere from Allen refute what you wish to believe he said.

You can win this argument simply by quoting Donta Allen. This you have not done.
Stop with your game.

You know it was already provided.


Back to the same bs huh?
Read the article.

The only correct interpretation of those words, becasue of the paragraph construction and quotations, was that the author was quoting the prisoner's words.
 
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Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

BALTIMORE — A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray “banging against the walls” of the vehicle and believed that he “was intentionally trying to injure himself,” according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post.

[...]
Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was

Maybe folks were to quick to blame police.

Upon reading the linked article, I suspected there might have been a third "ear witness" to what might have occurred during Freddie Gray's transport to the Baltimore police prescient. This updated article from theconservativetreehouse.com for the first time brings this third ear-witness more into light. However, this article from NYMag.com along with this article from theDailyKos.com states firmly that there was a third detainee in the first compartment of the police van whom Donta Allen, detainee #2 in the adjoining rear-left hand compartnet, wasn't aware.

A controversial police document leaked to the Post on Wednesday said an unnamed second passenger in the van told police he heard Gray "banging against the walls" and believed he "was intentionally trying to injure himself." The other prisoner, 22-year-old Donta Allen, came forward on Thursday and confirmed that he heard banging when he got in the van. "When I got in the van, I didn't hear nothing. It was a smooth ride. We went straight to the police station. All I heard was a little banging for about four seconds. I just heard little banging, just little banging," Allen told WBAL. "I told homicide that. I don't work for the police. I did not tell the police nothing."

Report: Freddie Gray Broke His Neck Inside Van -- NYMag

If what theconservativetreehouse.com (formerly Brietbart.com) and NYMag.com reports are true, then the only time this unknown ear witness would have heard Freddie Gray "banging against the wall" would have been the 4 minutes between the time he was placed inside the police van (8:42 am) and the time the van made it's first stop (8:46 am)when Freddie Gray was being irate. And since Freddie Gray was placed on the floor after being shackled, it's reasonable to assume the banging he allegedly heard ceased (at least temporarily) from 8:46 - 8:59 am. It wasn't until the 4th stop at 8:59 am that Freddie Gray was placed back on the bench seat of the van when Officer Porter assisted him up. But by then per the timeline of events, Freddie Gray had already sustain his neck injury at 8:54 am. It could be argued that Freddie Gray was still being "combative or irate" at the 4th (and/or 5th stop which does not have a time stamp), but it bears noting that at no other time subsequent to this first stop do the police or any other detainee report that Freddie Gray continued in his former irate state.

According to Donta Allen, the only other identified "ear-witness" to this case, he states firmly that:

"When I got in the van, I didn't hear nothing. It was a smooth ride. We went straight to the police station. All I heard was a little banging for about four seconds. I just heard little banging, just little banging."

So, assuming that there was a third unknown, unidentified ear witness in police van compartment #1 and that events hold true per the timeline as report, this witness would have had only a few minutes to discern what he heard coming from compartment #2. Furthermore, it's likely this would have been the only time any discernible sounds of loud banging would have come from compartment #2 since Freddie Gray was shackled and on the floor for up to 7 minutes prior to sustaining his neck injury and 15 minutes before Officer Porter placed him back up on the bench seat.

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Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

Stop with your game.

You know it was already provided.

You know you can't provide his words. You know you havent seen his words.
 
Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

You know you can't provide his words. You know you havent seen his words.
You clearly do no t pay attention.

Back to the same bs huh?
Read the article.

The only correct interpretation of those words, becasue of the paragraph construction and quotations, was that the author was quoting the prisoner's words.
 
Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

(Continued...)

There's something else that needs to be considered and that is the testimony from the initial unidentified ear witness. From the DailyKos.com:

Jayne Miller, an investigative reporter for television station WBAL, stated in an interview this morning (4/30/15) that this witness has several years of prison hanging over his head and that he currently has a suspended sentence. Is he saying these things because he's getting a deal for it?

Several posters have already run with this as the possible rational for the unidentified ear witnesses' testimony. All I'm going to say is the plot just got thicker, folks.
 
Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

Upon reading the linked article, I suspected there might have been a third "ear witness" to what might have occurred during Freddie Gray's transport to the Baltimore police prescient. This updated article from theconservativetreehouse.com for the first time brings this third ear-witness more into light. However, this article from NYMag.com along with this article from theDailyKos.com states firmly that there was a third detainee in the first compartment of the police van whom Donta Allen, detainee #2 in the adjoining rear-left hand compartnet, wasn't aware.



Report: Freddie Gray Broke His Neck Inside Van -- NYMag

If what theconservativetreehouse.com (formerly Brietbart.com) and NYMag.com reports are true, then the only time this unknown ear witness would have heard Freddie Gray "banging against the wall" would have been the 4 minutes between the time he was placed inside the police van (8:42 am) and the time the van made it's first stop (8:46 am)when Freddie Gray was being irate. And since Freddie Gray was placed on the floor after being shackled, it's reasonable to assume the banging he allegedly heard ceased (at least temporarily) from 8:46 - 8:59 am. It wasn't until the 4th stop at 8:59 am that Freddie Gray was placed back on the bench seat of the van when Officer Porter assisted him up. But by then per the timeline of events, Freddie Gray had already sustain his neck injury at 8:54 am. It could be argued that Freddie Gray was still being "combative or irate" at the 4th (and/or 5th stop which does not have a time stamp), but it bears noting that at no other time subsequent to this first stop do the police or any other detainee report that Freddie Gray continued in his former irate state.

According to Donta Allen, the only other identified "ear-witness" to this case, he states firmly that:



So, assuming that there was a third unknown, unidentified ear witness in police van compartment #1 and that events hold true per the timeline as report, this witness would have had only a few minutes to discern what he heard coming from compartment #2. Furthermore, it's likely this would have been the only time any discernible sounds of loud banging would have come from compartment #2 since Freddie Gray was shackled and on the floor for up to 7 minutes prior to sustaining his neck injury and 15 minutes before Officer Porter placed him back up on the bench seat.

The plot just got thicker, folks.
1. What the witness says now, unless it matches what he said previously, lacks credibility becasue as he indicated, he is saying it to protect himself.
Any introduction of those statements fails.

2. As for a third witness? No. That has already been debunked.
 
Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

(Continued...)

There's something else that needs to be considered and that is the testimony from the initial unidentified ear witness. From the DailyKos.com:



Several posters have already run with this as the possible rational for the unidentified ear witnesses' testimony. All I'm going to say is the plot just got thicker, folks.
1. That reporter has already been removed from reporting on the issue for conflicts of interest, her lover, Deputy State’s Attorney for Criminal Justice Janice Bledsoe.
2. That speculation is nonsense as he even says he didn't receive any, unless he is lying about that also.
 
Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

You clearly do no t pay attention.

Excon said:
Back to the same bs huh?
Read the article.

The only correct interpretation of those words, becasue of the paragraph construction and quotations, was that the author was quoting the prisoner's words.

It's possible that the quote that's been attributed to Donta Allen were not his words but rather those of this yet to be identified ear witness. And if that is the case, we have a clear conflict as to what really happened during Freddie Gray's ride in the police van.

I would, however, agree that what this first ear witness heard was Freddie Gray banging on the wall of the van. it could have been his head or his feet. But in any case as I've stated above, such banging would have lasted but a short duration since the police stopped soon after Gray's arrest to place him in shackles. And if he sustained his neck injury after this point, it would have been impossible for Gray to cause his own injury from that point forward especially given that Donta Allen claims that the 25 minute ride to the police precinct was "a smooth ride" and that he heard very little from Gray during his portion of the trip.

You can stick to your belief as to what happened, but something tells me there's more to this story none of us know for sure.
 
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Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

It's possible that the quote that's been attributed to Donta Allen were not his words but rather the words of this yet unidentified ear witness. And if that is the case, we have a clear conflict as to what happened.

I would, however, agree that what this first ear witness heard was Freddie Gray banging on the wall of the van. But as I've stated above, it would have lasted but a short duration since the police stopped soon after Gray's arrest to place him in shackles. And if he sustained his neck injury after this point, it would have been impossible for Gray to cause his own injury from that point forward especially given that Donta Allen claims that the 25 minute ride to the police precinct was "a smooth ride" and that he heard very little from Gray during his portion of the trip.

You can stick to your believe as to what happened, but something tells me there's more to this story none of us know for sure.
If you are going to quote my replies to another at least stay within the subject material of that you are quoting.


That theory was debunked.
 
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Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

You clearly do no t pay attention.

I see you can quote yourself, over and over again (against the previous warning)...yet you can't seem to quote Allen.

Interesting.
 
Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

1. What the witness says now, unless it matches what he said previously, lacks credibility becasue as he indicated, he is saying it to protect himself.
Any introduction of those statements fails.

2. As for a third witness? No. That has already been debunked.

Could you provide a link to this debunked storyline? And if it has already been debunked, why the age differences in who this second detainee apparently was and that of Donta Allen (38 and 22 yrs old, respectively). Moreover, why were both given different arrest ID numbers (Donta Allen 3125603 and the unknown ear witness 15056957)?
 
Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

I would, however, agree that what this first ear witness heard was Freddie Gray banging on the wall of the van. it could have been his head or his feet. But in any case as I've stated above, such banging would have lasted but a short duration since the police stopped soon after Gray's arrest to place him in shackles. And if he sustained his neck injury after this point, it would have been impossible for Gray to cause his own injury from that point forward especially given that Donta Allen claims that the 25 minute ride to the police precinct was "a smooth ride" and that he heard very little from Gray during his portion of the trip.
He was acting out and was irate.
That is why they put the shackles on him.

He continued acting out as confirmed by the witness. Of course he injured himself or exacerbated a previous injury he knew he had or one he didn't know he had.
But all still the results of his acting out.
 
Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

If you are going to quote my replies tpo another at least stay within the subject material of that you are quoting.


That theory was debunked.

I did and you haven't provided a link to support your claim that the storyline of this unknown 38 year old ear witness who apparently was in compartment #1 and supposedly is still in jail has, in fact, been debunked.

Link please...
 
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