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Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

Gonzo Rodeo said:
af·fi·da·vit
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nounLaw
noun: affidavit; plural noun: affidavits

a written statement confirmed by oath or affirmation, for use as evidence in court.

Where is the affidavit? Your quote claims there is a document, signed by Allen, that confirms this is what he actually said.

Provide it.
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iLOL :doh
I do not need to.

Are you saying the reporter is lying? Prove it.


Gonzo Rodeo said:
Excon said:
Gonzo Rodeo said:
and Gray himself who says his comments were completely taken out of context.
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That is a lie. He said no such thing.
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Yeah, you're illiterate. Here it is AGAIN:
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:lamo
No, that again would be you.
At no point in what you quoted did he say what he said was taken out of context, so you can stop lying any day now.
 
Excon said:
iLOL :doh
I do not need to.

Are you saying the reporter is lying? Prove it.
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No, I'm saying a reporter saying what a cop is saying the affidavit is saying is subject to interpretation. So far, we have a thirdhand accounting of what Allen said..... which is refuted by Allen himself.

:lamo
No, that again would be you.
At no point in what you quoted did he say what he said was taken out of context, so you can stop lying any day now.
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So you're accusing the NPR reporter of lying. Either that, or you didn't read the article quoted to you several times now.

"Saying his words have been distorted by recent reports and that he doesn't think Gray hurt himself intentionally, Allen also told a WJZ reporter, "The only reason I'm doing this is because they put my name in a bad state."

Allen, who was reportedly taken into custody for a minor offense and was not charged with a crime, also spoke to WBAL TV. He told the station that when he got into the van, he didn't know Gray was already there. He said he heard "a little banging for like four seconds."
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
No, I'm saying a reporter saying what a cop is saying the affidavit is saying is subject to interpretation. So far, we have a thirdhand accounting of what Allen said..... which is refuted by Allen himself.
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And you are speaking nonsense as it is quoted.
You do understand what quoted means right?



Gonzo Rodeo said:
So you're accusing the NPR reporter of lying.
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Just stop.
Those are the reporters words not a quote of his.
Do you really not understand that?


And as for the rest ...
1. Irrelevant as we know he has a reason for lying which makes what he now says suspect.
2. And we know he is lying at that point and did know someone was in the other side, as the Commissioner already told us that the witness said he was thrashing about and banging his head.
 
Excon said:
And you are speaking nonsense as it is quoted.
You do understand what quoted means right?



Just stop.
Those are the reporters words not a quote of his.
Do you really not understand that?


And as for the rest ...
1. Irrelevant as we know he has a reason for lying which makes what he now says suspect.
2. And we know he is lying at that point and did know someone was in the other side, as the Commissioner already told us that the witness said he was thrashing about and banging his head.
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So, you can't provide a quote and accuse me of accusing the police of lying..... but then accuse me of not providing a quote from an article that directly quotes Allen...

Jesus, you are the dumbest person I think I have ever encountered.
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
Jesus, you are the dumbest person I think I have ever encountered.
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This would be you.
You have provided no quote of the supposed witnesses saying what you claim. That makes what you say a lie.

And the quote of what the witness said was taken by the reporter from an affidavit.

And your whole position is absurd when it is known he has reason to lie now.
 
Excon said:
This would be you.
You have provided no quote of the supposed witnesses saying what you claim. That makes what you say a lie.

And the quote of what the witness said was taken by the reporter from an affidavit.

And your whole position is absurd when it is known he has reason to lie now.
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And you believe the police have no reason to lie? You know, those guys who ended up with paralyzed guy in the back of their van who later died?

Affidavits are written by people and signed as their own statements. Allen never said "Gray was trying to hurt himself and I heard it!" or anything to that effect. The document in question was written by a police officer who was investigating Gray's injuries while in police custody. So, that makes it a thirdhand source, which has been refuted by Allen at the first chance he was given.

I also have a report here on my desk that says Excon admits to lying literally all the time.

Care to comment? I'm sure we can't take your firsthand account seriously, seeing as how we've already established that you like to lie. But I'll allow it for journalistic integrity. So, what say you? Did you in fact admit that you lie literally all the time?
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
And you believe the police have no reason to lie? You know, those guys who ended up with paralyzed guy in the back of their van who later died?
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Absurdity.
The Police? :doh The Commissioner has no reason to lie about what the witness said.
Nor did homicide.


Gonzo Rodeo said:
Affidavits are written by people and signed as their own statements.
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Affidavits are sworn statements, or did that skip your thoughts.
Never mind, it is obvious it did.


Gonzo Rodeo said:
Allen never said "Gray was trying to hurt himself and I heard it!" or anything to that effect. The document in question was written by a police officer who was investigating Gray's injuries while in police custody. So, that makes it a thirdhand source, which has been refuted by Allen at the first chance he was given.
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Wrong. His words were quoted.
And it was not refuted by anything you or I provided. (See the new report with Don Lemon provided by reinoe in the other thread.)

Not that it matters, as already pointed out several times now, what he says now is suspect as well all know.


Gonzo Rodeo said:
I also have a report here on my desk that says Excon admits to lying literally all the time.
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Really?
Well I have your posts showing you lie all the time. The above is no different.

I'm positive we can't take your firsthand account seriously, seeing as how we've already established that you like to lie.
 
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Excon said:
Absurdity.
The Police? :doh The Commissioner has no reason to lie about what the witness said.
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Did the Commissioner have any reason to lie when he said “We know our police employees failed to get him medical attention in a timely manner multiple times.”......?

Affidavits are sworn statements, or did that skip your thoughts.
Never mind, it is obvious it did.
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Who is the affidavit affirming? The cop who wrote it? Or Allen? Your link doesn't specify. I'd love to hear your assumptions.

Wrong. His words were quoted.
And it was not refuted by anything you or I provided. (See the new report with Don Lemon provided by reinoe in the other thread.)
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Provide for me his word-for-word statement. I want to see the exactly language used. Can you provide that for me? Is it in the form of "prisoner Allen said..." or is it in a quote such as "...and then I heard him banging like he wuz tryin' a hurt hisself..."?

Again, this is the argument from stupid brutality. Police have no reason to lie; he hurt himself, man; this other dude said he hurt himself, but when we talked to him he said that ISN'T what he said so now we can't trust him.... It's just, so blatant that you don't want to believe anything other than an apologetic narrative. Even when presented evidence to the contrary, you refuse to give it up. It's sad, because it's so stubbornly stupid.

And everyone can see it but you.
 
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Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

Gonzo Rodeo said:
Did the Commissioner have any reason to lie when he said “We know our police employees failed to get him medical attention in a timely manner multiple times.”......?
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Did anybody say he did?



Gonzo Rodeo said:
Who is the affidavit affirming? The cop who wrote it? Or Allen? Your link doesn't specify. I'd love to hear your assumptions.
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Stop playing. You know who wrote it and the person is swearing to have that knowledge of what he said.



Gonzo Rodeo said:
Provide for me his word-for-word statement. I want to see the exactly language used. Can you provide that for me? Is it in the form of "prisoner Allen said..." or is it in a quote such as "...and then I heard him banging like he wuz tryin' a hurt hisself..."?
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Stop playing.
The words are quoted in the article.


Gonzo Rodeo said:
Again, this is the argument from stupid brutality.
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:doh
Yes your argument is.

What is even more unbelievable is holding forth what the supposed witness now says as truthful. :lamo
 
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Excon said:
Did anybody say he did?
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The Commissioner said this on CNN. Are you denying this? If he had no reason to lie, this means the police are culpable for Gray's injuries in that they denied him care.

Stop playing. You know who wrote it and the person is swearing to have that knowledge of what he said.
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Do we?

"...according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post."
"The document, written by a Baltimore police investigator..."

So, Allen didn't write it. Police routinely write affidavits for investigations and proceedings.... but Allen clearly did not write one. So they are not "his words." At best, we're looking about a thirdhand reporter reporting on what an officer said someone else said secondhand, all of which is refuted by the firsthand source!

Stop playing.
The words are quoted in the article.
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Then provide the quote from Allen's mouth. If they're right there, they shouldn't be hard for you to find.

Until then... you're shown to be wrong, yet again.
 
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Gonzo Rodeo said:
Excon said:
Gonzo Rodeo said:
Did the Commissioner have any reason to lie when he said “We know our police employees failed to get him medical attention in a timely manner multiple times.”......?
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Did anybody say he did?
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The Commissioner said this on CNN. Are you denying this?
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Another lame reply.
Again:
Did anybody say he did?​

Pay attention to the answers you are given.


Gonzo Rodeo said:
If he had no reason to lie, this means the police are culpable for Gray's injuries in that they denied him care.
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:doh
Just more conflation from you. That is what you want it to mean.
In and of itself it means no such thing.




Gonzo Rodeo said:
Do we?

"...according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post."
"The document, written by a Baltimore police investigator..."

So, Allen didn't write it. Police routinely write affidavits for investigations and proceedings.... but Allen clearly did not write one. So they are not "his words." At best, we're looking about a thirdhand reporter reporting on what an officer said someone else said secondhand, all of which is refuted by the firsthand source!



Then provide the quote from Allen's mouth. If they're right there, they shouldn't be hard for you to find.

Until then... you're shown to be wrong, yet again.
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More absurd games.
As you were already told.
Stop playing. You know who wrote it and the person is swearing to have that knowledge of what he said.​
All you are doing is purposely not recognizing what was said.

His words were already quoted in the article from the affidavit and you still fail to realize that it is a sworn statement based on his knowledge.
To suggest that is a lie is absurdly ridiculous.

And you still are ignoring the lack of credibility in what the supposed witness now says. iLOL :doh :lamo Any refutation by him means absolutely nothing at this point.
And it is hilarious that the guy is so stupid that he thinks he didn't speak to investigators. Only homocide. :doh
 
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Excon said:
Another lame reply.
Again:
Did anybody say he did?​

Pay attention to the answers you are given.


:doh
Just more conflation from you. That is what you want it to mean.
In and of itself it means no such thing.




More absurd games.
As you were already told.
Stop playing. You know who wrote it and the person is swearing to have that knowledge of what he said.​
All you are doing is purposely not recognizing what was said.

His words were already quoted in the article from the affidavit and you still fail to realize that it is a sworn statement based on his knowledge.
To suggest that is a lie is absurdly ridiculous.

And you still are ignoring the lack of credibility in what the supposed witness now says. iLOL :doh :lamo Any refutation by him means absolutely nothing at this point.
And it is hilarious that the guy is so stupid that he thinks he didn't speak to investigators. Only homocide. :doh
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The affitavit was written by an officer. Whether the officer misunderstood Allen or misrepresented him (accidentally OR intentionally) is very much a topic of concern. Since Allen himself has refuted the statement (not "quote", as the affidavit is someone else's words), we have no reason to suspect he changed his story.

So, again, I challenge you to provide the exact quote from the affidavit - in Allen's words - that give the lie to his later statement.

I know you can't do it.
 
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Gonzo Rodeo said:
The affitavit was written by an officer. Whether the officer misunderstood Allen or misrepresented him (accidentally OR intentionally) is very much a topic of concern. Since Allen himself has refuted the statement (not "quote", as the affidavit is someone else's words), we have no reason to suspect he changed his story.

So, again, I challenge you to provide the exact quote from the affidavit - in Allen's words - that give the lie to his later statement.

I know you can't do it.
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Your ever changing goal posts were already noted.
You asked for quotes of what he said when they had already been provided.
And you continually ignore the fact that you were already told

Again:
As you were already told.
Stop playing. You know who wrote it and the person is swearing to have that knowledge of what he said.​
All you are doing is purposely not recognizing what was said.

His words were already quoted in the article from the affidavit and you still fail to realize that it is a sworn statement based on his knowledge.
To suggest that is a lie is absurdly ridiculous.

And you still are ignoring the lack of credibility in what the supposed witness now says. iLOL :doh :lamo Any refutation by him means absolutely nothing at this point.
And it is hilarious that the guy is so stupid that he thinks he didn't speak to investigators. Only homocide. :doh​
 
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Excon said:
Your ever changing goal posts were already noted.
You asked for quotes of what he said when they had already been provided.
And you continually ignore the fact that you were already told

Again:
As you were already told.
Stop playing. You know who wrote it and the person is swearing to have that knowledge of what he said.​
All you are doing is purposely not recognizing what was said.

His words were already quoted in the article from the affidavit and you still fail to realize that it is a sworn statement based on his knowledge.
To suggest that is a lie is absurdly ridiculous.

And you still are ignoring the lack of credibility in what the supposed witness now says. iLOL :doh :lamo Any refutation by him means absolutely nothing at this point.
And it is hilarious that the guy is so stupid that he thinks he didn't speak to investigators. Only homocide. :doh​
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Wait, you'll believe the original statement allegedly said by Allen but not believe the same person later. Interesting.
 
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Deuce said:
Wait, you'll believe the original statement allegedly said by Allen but not believe the same person later. Interesting.
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Doesn't fit his agenda.
 
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Deuce said:
Wait, you'll believe the original statement allegedly said by Allen but not believe the same person later. Interesting.
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What do you find interesting about that?


He had no cause to lie to the authorities and nothing provided shows that.

His current statements do show a reason to lie. He himself voiced it.

Or are you unable to distinguish the difference between the two being made under different circumstances?
 
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radcen said:
Doesn't fit his agenda.
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Lame reply which ignores the reality of the current case at hand.
 
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Excon said:
Your ever changing goal posts were already noted.
You asked for quotes of what he said when they had already been provided.
And you continually ignore the fact that you were already told

Again:
As you were already told.
Stop playing. You know who wrote it and the person is swearing to have that knowledge of what he said.​
All you are doing is purposely not recognizing what was said.

His words were already quoted in the article from the affidavit and you still fail to realize that it is a sworn statement based on his knowledge.
To suggest that is a lie is absurdly ridiculous.

And you still are ignoring the lack of credibility in what the supposed witness now says. iLOL :doh :lamo Any refutation by him means absolutely nothing at this point.
And it is hilarious that the guy is so stupid that he thinks he didn't speak to investigators. Only homocide. :doh​
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You are mistaking a thirdhand quote of a secondhand source for an adequate substitution of a firsthand source.

The firsthand source says you are wrong. This can't be any more clear than it is.
 
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Gonzo Rodeo said:
You are mistaking a thirdhand quote of a secondhand source for an adequate substitution of a firsthand source.

The firsthand source says you are wrong. This can't be any more clear than it is.
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:doh
:lamo:lamo
Not at all.
You are refusing to understand that a sworn to document has far more credibility than what the supposed witness now says.
 
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Excon said:
:doh
:lamo:lamo
Not at all.
You are refusing to understand that a sworn to document has far more credibility than what the supposed witness now says.
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It's not a sworn document from Allen. Do you get that? Allen isn't swearing to anything, anywhere. It's an officer's affidavit, an officer's oath of how he interprets something that someone else said.

Let me ask you a question: Who is a better authority on what you, Excon, have said. Is it me? Or is it you?
 
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Gonzo Rodeo said:
It's not a sworn document from Allen. Do you get that? Allen isn't swearing to anything, anywhere. It's an officer's affidavit, an officer's oath of how he interprets something that someone else said.

Let me ask you a question: Who is a better authority on what you, Excon, have said. Is it me? Or is it you?
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Again:
As you were already told.
Stop playing. You know who wrote it and the person is swearing to have that knowledge of what he said.​
All you are doing is purposely not recognizing what was said.

His words were already quoted in the article from the affidavit and you still fail to realize that it is a sworn statement based on his knowledge.
To suggest that is a lie is absurdly ridiculous.

And you still are ignoring the lack of credibility in what the supposed witness now says. iLOL :doh :lamo Any refutation by him means absolutely nothing at this point.
And it is hilarious that the guy is so stupid that he thinks he didn't speak to investigators. Only homocide. :doh​
 
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Excon said:
Again:
As you were already told.
Stop playing. You know who wrote it and the person is swearing to have that knowledge of what he said.​
All you are doing is purposely not recognizing what was said.

His words were already quoted in the article from the affidavit and you still fail to realize that it is a sworn statement based on his knowledge.
To suggest that is a lie is absurdly ridiculous.

And you still are ignoring the lack of credibility in what the supposed witness now says. iLOL :doh :lamo Any refutation by him means absolutely nothing at this point.
And it is hilarious that the guy is so stupid that he thinks he didn't speak to investigators. Only homocide. :doh​
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So, who is a better source for what you said earlier: me, or you?
 
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Gonzo Rodeo said:
So, who is a better source for what you said earlier: me, or you?
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You have no point.

Again: :doh
And you still are ignoring the lack of credibility in what the supposed witness now says. iLOL :doh :lamo Any refutation by him means absolutely nothing at this point.​
 
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Excon said:
You have no point.

Again: :doh
And you still are ignoring the lack of credibility in what the supposed witness now says. iLOL :doh :lamo Any refutation by him means absolutely nothing at this point.​
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My point is that a firsthand source is always more reliable for what the first-hand source said than a second- or third-hand source. For example, you are more likely to trust yourself as a source for things you said than you are to trust anyone else about things you said. Is this not a fact?
 
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