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Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

The majority of blacks don't riot in the streets either. Just sayin'.

I think we all know this. It's the folks who are rioting that we're talking about, though.
 
Yes, they do. And police are required to use them.

It is a supposed policy. Not a law.
Big difference.

In this case the suspect was supposedly not secured which was okay for the reason claimed under the previous set of rules.
But to claim criminal activity because a supposed policy was not followed is absurd.

And if it is found that there wasn't a meaningful and effective notification of the supposed new policy, their following the old standards will be accepted.


The supposed new rules are no where to be found.
Do you have a link to them?

Here is a link to the only ones (old) I could find.

-- Ensure medical treatment for a prisoner is obtained, when necessary, at the nearest emergency medical facility

>The arrestee is secured with seat/restraint belts provided. This procedure should be evaluated on an individual basis so not to place oneself in any danger


http://www.aele.org/law/2009all10/baltimore-transport.pdf
 
You really learn respect for authority at home from two good parents, who raise their children in the correct manner. Today, there are way too many black babies being born out of wedlock with only a single mother to raise them and no visible father. There are exceptions, though, and maybe that mother slapping her 16-year old around will turn this kid around so he won't grow up to be a juvenile delinquent. The family unit is what keeps these children on the straight and narrow, not to mention taking them to church at an early age. Another thing is that the police no longer do walking beats. It's ride around in the car and do things on the computer. I grew up in the 50's, and I remember cops walking the beat. They had call boxes on the street to call for help. Heck, they could do that now, only use Iphones and a police radio. The police need to re-connect with the people, and what better way to get to know the people than walking a beat. They'd have thinner cops for sure.

What a load of crap.
 
I think we all know this. It's the folks who are rioting that we're talking about, though.

Yeah, the outsiders that are bused in to do what they are trained to do, riot and cause insurrection, all financed by those linked with the communist party.
 
I dont see where i claimed that. In fact, I literally suggested the opposite.

People were using the other guy's statements as support for the ridiculous notion that Gray harmed himself. When that other guy came forward and provided a direct quote himself, countermanding the earlier statement attributed to him, that completely unraveled the notion that an eye witness claimed to have seen Freddie Gray harming himself. That eyewitness denies any such statement previously attributed to him (second hand).

Your reply to me in post #280 seemed to suggest that it is hypocritical to apply a healthy dose of skepticism to the police but not to secondhand eyewitness accounts that were refuted firsthand.
 
This is you again being blatantly dishonest.
Not once has it been shown to not be true. He continues to say it was a smooth ride.

He was picked up on the last stop. A majority of the ride happened before he got in the van.

All of the reporting of his earlier statements were secondhand, and refuted when the firsthand source was interviewed. He never said it sounded like Gray was trying to injure himself. Your claim that he said so is wrong. Don't feel bad, it's not entirely your fault. But that claim is irrefutably wrong.
 
People were using the other guy's statements as support for the ridiculous notion that Gray harmed himself. When that other guy came forward and provided a direct quote himself, countermanding the earlier statement attributed to him, that completely unraveled the notion that an eye witness claimed to have seen Freddie Gray harming himself. That eyewitness denies any such statement previously attributed to him (second hand).

Your reply to me in post #280 seemed to suggest that it is hypocritical to apply a healthy dose of skepticism to the police but not to secondhand eyewitness accounts that were refuted firsthand.

Doesnt that sound like common sense?
 
Doesnt that sound like common sense?

Does what sound like common sense? To take people at their firsthand word instead of secondhand hearsay? Your reply in post #280 seemed to suggest we should be skeptical of the fact that he refuted the secondhand account of his own words. I was skeptical of the secondhand account; I am not skeptical of their refutation by the firsthand source.
 
People were using the other guy's statements as support for the ridiculous notion that Gray harmed himself. When that other guy came forward and provided a direct quote himself, countermanding the earlier statement attributed to him, that completely unraveled the notion that an eye witness claimed to have seen Freddie Gray harming himself.
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No he didn't, so stop being dishonest.
What he said now did not countermand what he said to investigators.
What he said now was purposely worded to be dishonest without lying.
What he said now is also tainted by the very fact of the reason he sated he was saying what he did. Fear for his life.
You can't get around these things.

But that claim is irrefutably wrong.
No, that would be yours, as already shown.


He was picked up on the last stop. A majority of the ride happened before he got in the van.
And the witness heard him moving around. He has not refuted that.
As the Commissioner let us know, the witness said he said he was thrashing about.


All of the reporting of his earlier statements were secondhand, and refuted when the firsthand source was interviewed.
Lame argument.
His prior statements are documented by the investigators and at least one of them was used in an affidavit for a search warrant. That is what was confirmed.
And while reporting is second hand, that means absolutely jack when that is what he said.

Secondly, nothing he said has been refuted.
This has already been pointed out to you.

And as we already know, the believability of what he says now is tainted by his trying to protect himself.
Which you also already know.


Don't feel bad even though it is your fault for continually being wrong.
 
No, that would be yours, as already shown.
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And the witness heard him moving around. He has not refuted that.
As the Commissioner let us know, the witness said he said he was thrashing about.

"Thrashing about" is incorrect. He said he heard "a little banging for like four seconds."

I can understand that you don't want to deal with the fact that you are wrong... but you are wrong. Keep showing everybody how you refuse to look at facts, though. It's fun to make fun of people like that.
 
"Thrashing about" is incorrect. He said he heard "a little banging for like four seconds."
Another lame reply.

Again:
As the Commissioner let us know, the witness said he said he was thrashing about.
He hasn't refuted that, nor have you.

I can understand that you don't want to deal with the fact that you are wrong... but you are wrong. Keep showing everybody how you refuse to look at facts, though. It's fun to make fun of people like that.
 
Another lame reply.

Again:
As the Commissioner let us know, the witness said he said he was thrashing about.
He hasn't refuted that, nor have you.

I can understand that you don't want to deal with the fact that you are wrong... but you are wrong. Keep showing everybody how you refuse to look at facts, though. It's fun to make fun of people like that.

Ah, so you're bad at reading then.

I got tired of embarrassing you in the other thread. I'm going to do it in here now.

Freddie Gray Update: New Speculation On His Death, And Peaceful Protests : The Two-Way : NPR

He added that another detainee who was riding in the van told police that Gray was "still moving around ... kicking and making noises" until the van reached the police station.

That second detainee rode in the police van on the other side of a metal partition that divides its cargo space. When he was picked up, Gray was already in the van.

Local news WJZ-TV reports that Donta Allen, 22, was that second man – and that he came forward Thursday out of concern over how his comments were being portrayed by both the police and the media.

"When I was in the back of that van it did not stop or nothing. All it did was go straight to the station, but I heard a little banging, like he was banging his head," Allen said. " I didn't even know he was in the van until we got to the station."

Saying his words have been distorted by recent reports and that he doesn't think Gray hurt himself intentionally, Allen also told a WJZ reporter, "The only reason I'm doing this is because they put my name in a bad state."

Allen, who was reportedly taken into custody for a minor offense and was not charged with a crime, also spoke to WBAL TV. He told the station that when he got into the van, he didn't know Gray was already there. He said he heard "a little banging for like four seconds."
 
Ah, so you're bad at reading then.
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No, that would obviously be you. :lamo

From the emboldened you have one quote in there that does not refute what we have been told he already said, and another that is directly a lie. He did know he was in there.

And you are still ignoring that what he said previously has more credibility behind it that anything he says now.


And this was previously replied to, so all you are doing is running in circles like a chicken with it's head cut off.

nothing he currently says really changes much of what has already been argued. The substance is still the same. There was no "rough ride/nickle ride", he was still moving when he was put into the van and his moving stopped as they arrived at their destination.


While he is somewhat contradicting what the Police say he said, I am more than sure they have what he said documented.
And at the time they interviewed him there was no reason for him to lie to them.
Yet now he is in fear for his life. So that only puts his current remarks in question.

So obviously you are bad at reading.
 
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No, that would obviously be you. :lamo

From the emboldened you have one quote in there that does not refute what we have been told he already said, and another that is directly a lie. He did know he was in there.

And you are still ignoring that what he said previously has more credibility behind it that anything he says now.

You are ignoring the fact that he said "I never said that" about hearing Gray trying to injure himself. You are blatantly, obviously, indisputably WRONG! It would be hilarious if it weren't so sad.
 
You are ignoring the fact that he said "I never said that" about hearing Gray trying to injure himself. You are blatantly, obviously, indisputably WRONG! It would be hilarious if it weren't so sad.
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No, that would be you, as already shown.

Anything he says now lacks credibility, becasue he is doing it to protect himself.
But way to ignore reality. :thumbs:
 
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No, that would be you, as already shown.

Anything he says now lacks credibility, becasue he is doing it to protect himself.
But way to ignore reality. :thumbs:

"When I was in the back of that van it did not stop or nothing. All it did was go straight to the station, but I heard a little banging, like he was banging his head," Allen said. " I didn't even know he was in the van until we got to the station."

The banging wasn't identifiable as a human head banging around during the ride. Only after the ride and Allen knew Gray was in the van could it have been attributed as a human sound.

Do you have any other quotes or sources that disprove this?
 
"When I was in the back of that van it did not stop or nothing. All it did was go straight to the station, but I heard a little banging, like he was banging his head," Allen said. " I didn't even know he was in the van until we got to the station."

The banging wasn't identifiable as a human head banging around during the ride. Only after the ride and Allen knew Gray was in the van could it have been attributed as a human sound.

Do you have any other quotes or sources that disprove this?
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It is disproved by what he told the investigators as revealed to us by the Commissioner.
He said the gay was thrashing around. That means he knew there was a guy on the other side.
His words are also documented in an affidavit that was confirmed and reported on. HE knew a guy was on the other side.


Anything he says now lacks credibility, becasue he is doing it to protect himself.
But way to ignore reality. :thumbs:
 
:doh
It is disproved by what he told the investigators as revealed to us by the Commissioner.
He said the gay was thrashing around. That means he knew there was a guy on the other side.
His words are also documented in an affidavit that was confirmed and reported on. HE knew a guy was on the other side.


Anything he says now lacks credibility, becasue he is doing it to protect himself.
But way to ignore reality. :thumbs:

Quote the piece that quotes this affidavit.

And why on earth would he need to protect himself???
 
Quote the piece that quotes this affidavit.
This just shows the dishonesty you are engaged in.
It is in the OP. The report quotes his account from the affidavit.


And why on earth would he need to protect himself???
This has got to be one of the most brutally stupid and dishonest replies have read in some time.

You know why he needs to protect himself. "Snitches get stitches."

He with his street thug (criminal) background knows that as well.
"The only reason I'm doing this is because they put my name in a bad state."
 
This just shows the dishonesty you are engaged in.
It is in the OP. The report quotes his account from the affidavit.


This has got to be one of the most brutally stupid and dishonest replies have read in some time.

You know why he needs to protect himself. "Snitches get stitches."

He with his street thug (criminal) background knows that as well.
"The only reason I'm doing this is because they put my name in a bad state."

Let's see it. Let's see the affidavit. Right now, we have some investigators who claim Gray said something, and Gray himself who says his comments were completely taken out of context. So, show me this affidavit. Show me the document the police are going to forward as evidence in the upcoming trial.

Oh, what's that? You don't have any such document or recording?

Weird!
 
Let's see it. Let's see the affidavit. Right now, we have some investigators who claim Gray said something, and Gray himself who says his comments were completely taken out of context. So, show me this affidavit. Show me the document the police are going to forward as evidence in the upcoming trial.

Oh, what's that? You don't have any such document or recording?
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You asked for a quote. You got it.

It isn't likely the police lied in the affidavit, and it isn't likely they lied about what he said.
So spare us your bs.


and Gray himself who says his comments were completely taken out of context.
That is a lie. He said no such thing.
 
:doh
You asked for a quote. You got it.

It isn't likely the police lied in the affidavit, and it isn't likely they lied about what he said.
So spare us your bs.

af·fi·da·vit
ˌafəˈdāvit/
nounLaw
noun: affidavit; plural noun: affidavits

a written statement confirmed by oath or affirmation, for use as evidence in court.

Where is the affidavit? Your quote claims there is a document, signed by Allen, that confirms this is what he actually said.

Provide it.


That is a lie. He said no such thing.

Yeah, you're illiterate. Here it is AGAIN:

I got tired of embarrassing you in the other thread. I'm going to do it in here now.

Freddie Gray Update: New Speculation On His Death, And Peaceful Protests : The Two-Way : NPR

He added that another detainee who was riding in the van told police that Gray was "still moving around ... kicking and making noises" until the van reached the police station.

That second detainee rode in the police van on the other side of a metal partition that divides its cargo space. When he was picked up, Gray was already in the van.

Local news WJZ-TV reports that Donta Allen, 22, was that second man – and that he came forward Thursday out of concern over how his comments were being portrayed by both the police and the media.

"When I was in the back of that van it did not stop or nothing. All it did was go straight to the station, but I heard a little banging, like he was banging his head," Allen said. " I didn't even know he was in the van until we got to the station."

Saying his words have been distorted by recent reports and that he doesn't think Gray hurt himself intentionally, Allen also told a WJZ reporter, "The only reason I'm doing this is because they put my name in a bad state."

Allen, who was reportedly taken into custody for a minor offense and was not charged with a crime, also spoke to WBAL TV. He told the station that when he got into the van, he didn't know Gray was already there. He said he heard "a little banging for like four seconds."
 
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