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Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

HOWEVER, apparently in earlier testimony the same prisoner said it was silent for the 5-10 minutes he was in the van. Seems there's some discrepancy perhaps brought on by intimidation tactics, be that tactic a carrot or a stick, toward the extra prisoner.

Baltimore reporter casts doubt on new Wash. Post report | MSNBC
No.
Your report acknowledges the affidavit and says that information was available from the start.
While some is assumption, everything else she stated has not been supported.

So let's see.
A Sworn affidavit which is not only confirmed by your report as existing but your source also stating that information has been known from the beginning along with the Commissioner's reported statement from the 24[SUP]th[/SUP] about what the the other arrestee said, versus your reporter alleging without support.

No comparison.
 
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A guy with a long rap sheet, who recently underwent spinal surgery and was out selling dope rather than recuperating...tries to fake a police brutality get out of jail free card? No way, not possible! No-one would do that!

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Oh Jeez.

These riots are virtually NOTHING to do with this guy.

Just like the Ferguson riots were next to nothing to do with that incident.

These riots are about poverty and hopelessness...not police brutality.

Surely you people cannot be naive enough to believe that the only place there are bad cops are in these two areas? Or that these cops are SO much worse then every, single city/town in ALL of America? There are bad firefighters in every city - along with bad chefs, bad taxi drivers, bad garbage men and bad cops.
And there are more bad cops in poor areas...well DUH. When you deal with the worst society has to offer, the you are going to get frustrated/corrupt police....again, duh. Police are human, not robotic.

And remember, the Ferguson cop was exonerated. Which proves that the incident in question was a excuse for violence, not the cause of it.

When the poor, middle class and the rich march together, then it's about terrible cops. When it's just the poor, it's mostly about poverty.

Finally, rioters are just idiots and thugs who are dying to lash out and the riot gives them the green light.
You think some decent person is going to riot because some cop did something bad to someone they never heard of before the incident? Of course not.


The entire Baltimore riot is, IMO, 90% poverty and 10% (at most) bad cops.
 
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Except as was pointed out to me in another thread, assault could mean something as essentially benign as spitting on someone, even if it lands on clothing as opposed to an open wound that could become infected, :eyeroll: And a drug dealer could be the really nice 26yo that shares his mj with me since I actually need it medical reasons though I am not a CA resident and can't get an mmj card, he could. So he got one, buys for me, and really rarely smokes. Not a "drug dealer" by most standards, but could be arrested and charged thusly.

Yes, and OJ Simpson is a really nice guy who was just trying to see how sharp his knife was.

It's remarkable how many little angels get in trouble with police. I suppose only the truly evil walk free among us.
 
Oh Jeez.

These riots are virtually NOTHING to do with this guy.

Just like the Ferguson riots were next to nothing to do with that incident.

These riots are about poverty and hopelessness...not police brutality.

Surely you people cannot be naive enough to believe that the only place there are bad cops are in these two areas? Or that these cops are SO much worse then every, single city/town in ALL of America? There are bad firefighters in every city - along with bad chefs, bad taxi drivers, bad garbage men and bad cops.
And there are more bad cops in poor areas...well DUH. When you deal with the worst society has to offer, the you are going to get frustrated/corrupt police....again, duh. Police are human, not robotic.

And remember, the Ferguson cop was exonerated. Which proves that the incident in question was a excuse for violence, not the cause of it.

When the poor, middle class and the rich march together, then it's about terrible cops. When it's just the poor, it's mostly about poverty.

Finally, rioters are just idiots and thugs who are dying to lash out and the riot gives them the green light.
You think some decent person is going to riot because some cop did something bad to someone they never heard of before the incident? Of course not.


The entire Baltimore riot is, IMO, 90% poverty and 10% (at most) bad cops.

With respect, you unfairly slander every decent, honest, law abiding person who lives in poverty every day.

This is not about poverty, it's about a penchant for lawlessness and taking advantage of circumstances. Those who are prone to be criminals come out of the woodwork whenever the opportunity arises - plain and simple.

Toronto, where I live, has lots of poverty, and we've had several police shootings but we don't have riots in the streets here and people destroying public and private property. The only time, in my lifetime, that we did, was during the 2010 G20 meetings here when criminal Black Bloc elements infiltrated the city and the protestors and caused havoc.
 
The entire Baltimore riot is, IMO, 90% poverty and 10% (at most) bad cops.

Fair enough, but it's foolish to not recognize that the poor are preyed upon because they don't have the resources to fight back. Not just by cops but by all manner of power and money hungry entities. Especially the police, justice, and penal systems we currently have. So it is about bad cops, in that those cops take their aggressions out on the impoverished because they know they can get away with it. But that same cop might be a true hero in another part of town servicing an upscale citizen. Add to that the aforementioned support system, that traps so many of the poor never be able to advance in anyway reasonable way.
 
Yes, and OJ Simpson is a really nice guy who was just trying to see how sharp his knife was.

It's remarkable how many little angels get in trouble with police. I suppose only the truly evil walk free among us.

One shouldn't have to be angel to not be abused by the police. And since we know that police will shoot people in the back, it's not unreasonable to suspect that some of the charges or the degree of charges are trumped up. I'm sorry, I have absolutely no faith in the the honesty of police, particularly when they can legally lie during an investigation but no one else can.
 
One shouldn't have to be angel to not be abused by the police. And since we know that police will shoot people in the back, it's not unreasonable to suspect that some of the charges or the degree of charges are trumped up. I'm sorry, I have absolutely no faith in the the honesty of police, particularly when they can legally lie during an investigation but no one else can.

I feel sorry for you and those who think like you - it makes your life so much more difficult and stressful. I have zero attitude towards police and as a result I've had nothing but professional experiences when dealing with them. But then, I also respect the laws that have been established by the society in which I live, so that makes it easy not to "cop" an attitude. And those laws I don't like? I work the system to try to change them - I don't just ignore and/or break them.
 
I feel sorry for you and those who think like you - it makes your life so much more difficult and stressful. I have zero attitude towards police and as a result I've had nothing but professional experiences when dealing with them. But then, I also respect the laws that have been established by the society in which I live, so that makes it easy not to "cop" an attitude. And those laws I don't like? I work the system to try to change them - I don't just ignore and/or break them.

Well being a white male of means has it's privileges, you make that perfectly clear. You seem to fail to realize that many of those who are poor who are in jail, didn't commit any crimes either. It's hard for those people to treat their police with respect because the police as they presents themselves to impoverished is a different persona to the one you see.

My first long term boyfriend drove an old 68 chevy pickemup truck that he was refurbishing, he was also from the other side of town, though his parents had moved pretty close to our side, and hence we went to the same high school. It was also clear he wasn't entirely white, he Italian/Cajun and came out looking like a darker Mexican. He was going down the 281 one day and our local Hollywood Park cop pulled him over for going 5 over. Now no one from our neighborhood got pulled over for 5mph over, never. But he was clearly poor by our neighborhood's standard. Well the cop approaches all attitude and rude and smart ass, then he saw me in the passenger seat. His behavior changed in a split second.

You don't believe because you've lead a sheltered life. I get that. It doesn't make you right.
 
Let's not let the truth get in the way of a good riot.

While I agree, we should let the truth get in the way of making false assumptions. Anything is possible. If the young man was on drugs and was combative, he may have injured himself in the process. Or he may have injured himself further. It is also possible that he was in severe pain and was trying to get someone's attention, and that is what the other prisoner heard.
So lets wait and see until all the facts are in.
 
It never seizes to amaze me that everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, and all are to be innocent until proven guilty, except for cops.
 
I wonder what plea deal he was offered to say this?
That is a ridiculous statement, especially as this was known about from the beginning.
 
It never seizes to amaze me that everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, and all are to be innocent until proven guilty, except for cops.

It is also amazing that nobody wants to understand that the "victims" are criminals who resist arrest. That is not to say that criminals who resist arrest deserve to be killed. But it does say that giving the police a reason to be aggressive is a poor idea. If a black man is being arrested by a racist cop he will probably do a lot better if he doesn't resist arrest. As an example, I think the issue that occurred in New York shortly after the Ferguson disaster deserved some discipline by the police department. Yes he was a criminal and resisted arrest but there were enough cops there to get the job done without being that aggressive. He would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest. The cop in South Carolina was appropriately charged with murder. We don't even know what the cause of death was in Baltimore.

I don't doubt that police stop, investigate and arrest blacks in higher numbers than whites. But isn't it true that blacks commit crimes in higher numbers than whites? It is true. Is that fair to law abiding blacks? No, but it helps to put things in perspective. Criminals need to understand that the police aren't going to give up because they resist arrest. Resisting arrest gains nothing at all and provides a motivation and environment for cops to do the wrong things.
 
Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

BALTIMORE — A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray “banging against the walls” of the vehicle and believed that he “was intentionally trying to injure himself,” according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post.

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Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was



Maybe folks were to quick to blame police.

It's an interesting time for that to come out. Quite convenient.

Why are there no cameras recording the back of the prisoner transport? Regardless, it was a pending investigation, the riot of course jumped the gun, these things tend not to be intelligent as much as they are predatory.
 
It's an interesting time for that to come out. Quite convenient.
This has been known from the beginning.
This reporter was just given the leaked affidavit which confirms it.
 
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It's an interesting time for that to come out. Quite convenient.

Why are there no cameras recording the back of the prisoner transport? Regardless, it was a pending investigation, the riot of course jumped the gun, these things tend not to be intelligent as much as they are predatory.

I heard there are GPS transponders on those Vans.

The speed and the route can be accessed after the fact. So it would be fairly easy to see whether or not they even had time to pull over, jump in the back of the Van and break his neck.
 
This has been known from the beginning.
This reporter was just given the leaked affidavit to confirm it.

Mmm. Well it's possible it was something so innocuous.
 
I heard there are GPS transponders on those Vans.

The speed and the route can be accessed after the fact. So it would be fairly easy to see whether or not they even had time to pull over, jump in the back of the Van and break his neck.

You could, though it doesn't mean that they'd be completely innocent, at best you can say they didn't physically assault him to death with their fists in the back of the van.
 
:doh OMG, some people are such suckers. Some people will spout any ridiculous line if it suits their agenda.

I mean, how convenient. On its very face it's patently absurd. Any person even remotely intelligent would be skeptical over this. This is the classic "jailhouse snitch" scenario where a guy gets arrested then suddenly confesses all his sins to a total stranger within seconds of meeting them. Really? I'm sorry, but no.

Before being gullible and a sucker, find out if the "snitch" is getting anything in return for his alleged information... i.e., reduced sentence, reduced charge, or even no charge at all for his crime... the last one of which would be impossible to prove, which also makes it a popular tactic for the LE side.

Might as well claim that Martians swooped in and shot his back with a laser ray. :roll:
 
I do not believe it is possible to break your own neck by slamming your head against a wall nor collapsing your own throat when handcuffed.

There are millions of dollars, prosecutions of police, and probably lost higher-up jobs, plus riots to deal with. In short, I do not believe he broke his own neck and collapsed his own throat.

But you tell me how a handcuffed person in the immediately presence of police could break his own neck and collapse his own throat if you want to believe that. It's as believable as claiming someone shot themselves in the back of the head 3 times. I think making this explanation is just going to piss people off even more.

It is interesting to see how quickly two members who claim people who are arrested lie, but absolutely believe this prisoner as if the edict from God himself.
Bingo. The gullible desperately grasping onto any scenario that fits their agenda.
 
You could, though it doesn't mean that they'd be completely innocent, at best you can say they didn't physically assault him to death with their fists in the back of the van.


Riot first, ask questions later.

At best you could prove that people jumped the gun.

You could prove that people on the left and the Obama administration are feeding this narrative. " Black Lives matter ", only when there's a assumption that they were murdered by the Police.

Killed by Gang violence ? Nah, nothing to protest about.

Now every inner city is one assumption away from a full blown riot.
 
Bingo. The gullible desperately grasping onto any scenario that fits their agenda.

" Hands up dont shoot "....indeed they are.
 
Riot first, ask questions later.

At best you could prove that people jumped the gun.

You could prove that people on the left and the Obama administration are feeding this narrative. " Black Lives matter ", only when there's a assumption that they were murdered by the Police.

Killed by Gang violence ? Nah, nothing to protest about.

Now every inner city is one assumption away from a full blown riot.

Riot first? They've been protesting peacefully for over week. Trying to use that as any type of judgement call only shows your complete ignorance of the situation. One night of rioting, no deaths, and ignore all the other nights of peaceful protest.
 
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