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Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

I just watched the video. I got so caught up in this Obama said/didn't say nonsense that I completely forgot to watch the video that started it all. I'm not sure I see the video as evidence that his spine was broken but I do think that the cops should have almost immediately called an ambulance. If they made him ride like that in a paddy wagon, they really took that **** too far. They had the guy in cuffs. They saw he was in pain. They realized he couldn't walk and they can still be telling him to walk. I'm sure that the average police officer sees suspects who don't want to cooperate every day, but something should have tipped them off when they had to ****ing carry the guy and his legs never once resisted. That's cold ****, man.

I watched very closely, and from what I could see, Freddie wasn't moving his legs at all, some people will try to make an effort to walk along when being held by two, Freddie was dragging his legs, no movement. I'm not a doctor, but have known some people whose spinal injuries prevented them from even moving their legs slightly.
The other theory I have was that he was in so much pain, he passed out from it, he might have been unconscious when being hauled to the wagon.

As you said before, Baltimore cops have a long history of abuses.
I also wished that if Obama had something to say, he would say it better or more (in)differently.
 
I have. There's a whole part of the Presidents speech, which you ignore, wherein he explicitly condemns the rioters. You can't get any more clear then that.

I haven't ignored that part. If you recall, or perhaps you didn't know, I was the one who posted a link to a transcript of his comments, as well as posted excerpts from them. This was in contrast to what was done in the OP.

I'm not really interested in replaying this whole thing again.

Why don't you take your labels and accusations and direct them towards someone else? Perhaps you'll get more play time with them.
 
He responded the exact way I expect a President to respond.

Can you in your heart say that that is what is expected of the "first black president"?

The same as what Bush would do?

I thought there was going to be hope and change? There's no hope for change flowing out of the office of the First Black President in history, ****ing basketball players are showing more leadership.
 
Your labels are your's. I don't make them.

I haven't ignored that part. If you recall, or perhaps you didn't know, I was the one who posted a link to a transcript of his comments, as well as posted excerpts from them. This was in contrast to what was done in the OP.

I'm not really interested in replaying this whole thing again.

Why don't you take your labels and accusations and direct them towards someone else? Perhaps you'll get more play time with them.
 
It is part of a long list of accusations that are impossible to prove otherwise, "woman hater", "homophobe',, "denier", all nice little catch labels. But then the left has aways lived on labels, and demonizing. The satanic horns on George Bush were first rolled out here against a Liberal premier.

You mean the wrong cons began labels and demonizing with Nixon's Southern Strategy and Atwater's initial use of the "N" word in the 1950s.
It's been a most ugly progression to see the GOP turn from the party of IKE, TR, and Lincoln into what it is today .
 
Of course he's not spot on. I used to be in law enforcement...I carry a firearm....I am a practicing Christian...and I often support the police.

And I'm a liberal.

So much for your astute defense of his credibility. "100% correct" LOLOL Unless you'd like to suggest that I am an exception?

so what.....
your posts are still incorrect..
 
so what.....
your posts are still incorrect..

LOLOL

Except where I called CJ out and demonstrated that he also was wrong and being hypocritical.

Sorry bud, you backed the wrong horse!
 
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Except where I called CA out and demonstrated that he also was wrong and being hypocritical.

Sorry bud, you backed the wrong horse!

who is CA?...CJ?

I back my friends and CJ is far from wrong
 
who is CA?...CJ?

I back my friends and CJ is far from wrong

Except that the words are there for all to see and CJ was indeed shown to be wrong...and then you backed him to the hilt and now are the same...wrong.


Keep it up...it's not like your posts or his are going away :mrgreen:
 
Except that the words are there for all to see and CJ was indeed shown to be wrong...and then you backed him to the hilt and now are the same...wrong.


Keep it up...it's not like your posts or his are going away :mrgreen:


Hes not wrong.. stamp your feet now if you must...I trust CJs clarity over yours
 
Completely different argument. I am not defending Obama, nor Congress's, response to these issues.

And let's not pretend that a Republican cares any more about the struggles of urban communities than the Democrats do. If either of them gave a damn, we would be having this conversation.

Empty rhetoric.

You should remember that cities like Baltimore, St Louis, Atlanta, Detroit, Chicago etc have been run by Democrat monopolies for decades.

Obama subscribes to the same ideology thats led to crushing inner city poverty, crime, dependance and corruption and that ideology didn't change when he took office.

St Louis, Atlanta, Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, New York before Guiliani took over. ( Obama reminds me of David Denkins )

For example, what did the Obama administration and Eric Holder do in repsonse to Ferguson ? What was their solution ?

To write down a bunch of rules for how not to be a racist police officer ? Yea, worthless.

Anyone who thinks that Police brutality is the single greatest challenge to the people that live in these Cities is IMO a complete moron.

Anyone who watches that video of the High School kids throwing large concrete blocks at the LEOs and comes away thinking that if only we could solve the isssue of Police brutality things would change is fooling themselves.

Obama's and Holders solution to Ferguson was to back a narrative based on a lie. That the Police somehow caused the riots.

Like a good Democrat he ignores the continued struggles of the people that had to go back to living in a community that now is lined with burned out structures.

Nothing ever changes and Democrats never address the real and substantial issues that allowed their Cities to turn into war zones in the First place. They CAN'T address those issues because they're largely repsonsible for them.

There are still burned out structures in Detroit from the riots that happened decades ago.
 
Trying to play blacks off on each other is simply an extension of the Nixon card of division, this time by race.
And why would you call them "****ing" basketball players?

Your motives are clear as a far-right conservative trying to divide my Nation and bring back another disastrous decade like the last one .

There's nothing " far right " about Cities like Baltimore or Atlanta, or Detroit or St LoLouis.

They've been run by left wing Democrat monopolies for years.

As far as this decade being better for blacks ? What color is the sky in your world ?

Race riots, increased poverty, crime, black on black violence, Cities like Ferguson that are one false accusation away from a riot and violence.

Thats what this " decade " has done for the Blacks living in inner city neighborhoods. Its nothing new.

The similarities to Baltimore 2015 and NY 1991 when Democrat Mayor David Denkins gave rioters the room to " blow off steam " are striking.

Not too mention the Democrats solutions to address the riots after the damage was done haven't changed either.

The Obama administrations " solution " to Ferguson, to a Community that rioted over a false narrative was to have Holder write up a list that teaches Cops how not to be racist.....Lol !

What has the Obama administration done after the fact to address the crushing poverty and dependance and crime in a City run by Democrats for decades ? Nothing.

And nothing will be done. There are still burned out structures in Detroit from riots that happened decades ago.

Your people claim to be sincerely concerned over the struggles of inner city Americans but then you spout off a bunch of nonsense and rhetoric like that post Im replying too.
 

You know that commie SOB is lying whenever his lips are moving. His homily about there being no excuse for rioting is about as believable as his oft-repeated lie that "if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan--period." The only U.S. politician today who can compete with President Pinocchio as a damned liar is Lady Cankles, the Belle of Benghazi.
 
Well stated.

Remember the JournoList scandal, and the revelations in emails about using "racism" as a political tool?

It hasn't let up since. Amazing how it seems people need to return to 4th grade when discussing ideas among others.



Kind of insulting to first graders
 
You know that commie SOB is lying whenever his lips are moving. His homily about there being no excuse for rioting is about as believable as his oft-repeated lie that "if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan--period." The only U.S. politician today who can compete with President Pinocchio as a damned liar is Lady Cankles, the Belle of Benghazi.

Yup... I agree 100% my brother..
 
Completely different argument. I am not defending Obama, nor Congress's, response to these issues.

And let's not pretend that a Republican cares any more about the struggles of urban communities than the Democrats do. If either of them gave a damn, we would be having this conversation.

No, NOT a completely different argument.

Its a very relevant argument thats based on a multiple examples of the failure of Democrat agendas on a local and National level. I even added a bitbof historical context.

What can Republicans do ? What power do they have in places like Detroit, Atlanta, St Louis, Baltimore, Chicago ?

None. Absolutely none.

The Obama administration is in the best possible position to address the underlying issues that are challenging inner city areas.

As a Democrat he has influence and he's also the President. So what was his solution ?

Eric Holders top tips on how not to be a racist Cop.....unbelievable.
 
In honor of the "genesis" of the Baltimore situation, which CONservative spinners won't talk about,
I've placed no bet here in Vegas on this game with the White Sox and Orioles about to start in front of a stadium with zero fans--something that has never happened.

Here's a related story:

What will it be like to play baseball in an empty stadium? | SportsonEarth.com : Will Leitch Article

So you've wasted more of your time trolling on a internet forum.....good I guess.
 
Obama Blames Police After Baltimore Riots–
Barack Obama today ripped on the nation’s police forces for targeting poor African-Americans which he says started in Ferguson, Missouri.

“Since Ferguson we have seen too many instances of what appears to be police officers interacting with individuals, primarily African Americans, often poor, in ways that raise troubling questions. And it comes up it seems like, once a week now, or every couple weeks. And so I think it’s understandable that, and more importantly moms and dads across the nation saying this is a crisis.”

Evidently he missed the fact that a grand jury his DOJ exonerated Officer Darren Wilson in the shooting death of robber Michael Brown.


link in my quote above

The outcome of the grand jury hearing/investigation (whatever it was in Ferguson, MO) has nothing to do with the perception people have about White police officers in urban cities across the country inflicting unnecessary harm upon Black men by using excessive force OR killing them through the use of such excessive force.
 
The president called the riots criminals, arsonists, etc. and explicitly condemned their actions. How can you listen/read the President's speech and not understand that?

Initially, during the first days of the riots, the President had nothing to say about them and let his newly minted Attorney General field the questions. Then, while hosting the Prime Minister of Japan, and having a news conference, he was informed by his staff that he better be prepared to take questions and to make a statement about the riots in Baltimore, which he did.

The President could have simply stated, as you note, that those rioting were/are criminals and thugs and called for it to stop immediately. That would have been the right thing to say. But no, he had to expand on that - for 14 minutes - throwing up all kinds of excuses and rationale for the riots, in effect, justifying them as an understandable response. That was wrong, in my view.

And you know, when the President comes out, as he frequently does, and criticizes the police for their interaction with people of colour, does he ever speak to the excuses or rationale of why the police may act the way they act? No - he doesn't. He also uses those occasions to excuse and rationalize the behaviour of the people of colour who either lose their lives interacting with police or others, such as in the Zimmerman case.

So maybe you should ask yourself why you can't understand what the President says when he speaks. I get his position plain and clear.
 
Who can be upset with a statement condemning the rioting, and stating that it's counter productive and undermines the community? It should be condemned, it is counterproductive, and it does undermine the community. It's a true statement.

I dislike Obama as much as any other Status Quo Republocrat, but it's a true statement. Why has this already devolved into a partisan pissing contest?

Because some people just have to complain about any and everything President Obama says. Doesn't matter whether he's right or wrong; some folks just can't help themselves where he's concerned.
 
Hes not wrong.. stamp your feet now if you must...I trust CJs clarity over yours

Er, perhaps you are cognitively challenged but I proved his statement incorrect.

Feel free to trust whom you will tho, lol. Doesnt demonstrate any ability to discriminate fact from fiction on your part however.

Now...since you've happily declared you will proceed with your misguided perceptions, why dont you continue the discussion, per forum rules?
 
You mean the wrong cons began labels and demonizing with Nixon's Southern Strategy and Atwater's initial use of the "N" word in the 1950s.
It's been a most ugly progression to see the GOP turn from the party of IKE, TR, and Lincoln into what it is today .

I do hope somebody buys you a TV for your birthday, or at least splurges on a newspaper for you, so you can advance past the 60s with your tiresome talking points.
 
You mean like you do?

How about what the President actually said, rather than what CNN told you he said? Perhaps you should read the Transcript of his comments, then you won't find yourself disqualifying yourself from your own OP. You know a forum for people who think independently, not just cut and paste.

President Obama’s Comments on Baltimore Violence — Video & Transcript - Washington Wire - WSJ

EXCERPTS:

Point number five — and I’ve got six, because this is important. Since Ferguson, and the task force that we put together, we have seen too many instances of what appears to be police officers interacting with individuals — primarily African American, often poor — in ways that have raised troubling questions. And it comes up, it seems like, once a week now, or once every couple of weeks. And so I think it’s pretty understandable why the leaders of civil rights organizations but, more importantly, moms and dads across the country, might start saying this is a crisis. What I’d say is this has been a slow-rolling crisis. This has been going on for a long time. This is not new, and we shouldn’t pretend that it’s new.

The good news is, is that perhaps there’s some newfound awareness because of social media and video cameras and so forth that there are problems and challenges when it comes to how policing and our laws are applied in certain communities, and we have to pay attention to it and respond.

And without making any excuses for criminal activities that take place in these communities, what we also know is that if you have impoverished communities that have been stripped away of opportunity, where children are born into abject poverty; they’ve got parents — often because of substance-abuse problems or incarceration or lack of education themselves — can’t do right by their kids; if it’s more likely that those kids end up in jail or dead, than they go to college. In communities where there are no fathers who can provide guidance to young men; communities where there’s no investment, and manufacturing has been stripped away; and drugs have flooded the community, and the drug industry ends up being the primary employer for a whole lot of folks — in those environments, if we think that we’re just going to send the police to do the dirty work of containing the problems that arise there without as a nation and as a society saying what can we do to change those communities, to help lift up those communities and give those kids opportunity, then we’re not going to solve this problem.


Right Mr. President - So until ALL these things are once again politicized, and manipulated, and multiple platitudes are spoken, riots are an understandable outcome - of course we all understand you're not making any excuses for criminal activities Mr. President. BTW, why is it the vast majority videos shown only involve black people?

I think it's important, however, to read the entirety of his words and not just stop at the talking points.

Context does matter. So, if all one does is read the parts in bold (or narrate them as talk radio hosts have done, i.e., Mr. Producer, cut #3 - GO!) then not only do you miss what he and others believe are the driving forces behind why many young Black teenage boys/men find themselves on the wrong side of the law, you miss the larger message the President was trying to send.

Clearly, government can't fix this problem...well, least not the federal government. But local governments, community organizations and most of all families can! That's the broader message the President was trying to send.
 
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