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Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers

You're probably right that Baltimore has problems that need to be dealt with. Maybe I have been overly dismissive without seeing that side of it. That said, rioting is not the answer.

The CVS owners and employees didn't do anything to deserve having their store burned down. The officers that were assaulted were not the same as those who perpetrated the crimes against those young men. The lady who had a trash can thrown at her didn't do anything to deserve it. The owners of the elderly home that was burned down, and the old people living there, never did anything to anyone.

So at the end of the day, senseless chaos and violence are not the answer. There are more constructive ways to be heard

And I never said rioting was. All I have said is I understand why they rioted.

I am not saying CVS did anything. But that CVS area (that block) is where BCPD routinely arrest people for loitering (bull**** charge) and harass people in public areas as that's also a metro stop. Now those Officers in which you say are not the same who perpetrated crimes at the time.. it's absolutely true in that specific moment. But BCPD is the "enemy" to those who rioted. If you are part of the problem you aren't innocent in their view. A cop is a cop is a cop.

Owners of the elderly home? You mean the Southern Baptist Church which got that property through kick back from the current Mayor. But there is also no evidence saying it's from the riots.. Could have been burned down for insurance purposes which is why the ATF is involved because that fire happened way far away from West Baltimore.
 
And none of that can happen if they never pick up the white guys.

But they do pick up white guys, and arrest them, and charge them, and incarcerate them.
 
And my comment was about what to do about it.
1. You already replied to this. Our exchange was not about what to do about it.
2. The information provided showed that you were wrong. Which is what was being pointed out and is what our exchange was about.
3. You then deflected by ignoring what was said and instead referred to "cones" which the reply had nothing to do with.
4. You again deflected by saying the provided Youtube video wasn't available when it was and yet showed you could access the other Youtube video posted by another.
Stop with the deflection. Cans were also thrown at folks, not just cars.
 
But they do pick up white guys, and arrest them, and charge them, and incarcerate them.

But not for no or little reason. And not for 'being white'.
 
Vesper.. You weren't at Pickles, Sliders, Bullpen and so on. You have NO clue what kicked things off. I was and so was this guy who wrote to correct the narrative that is being spread with his photo being used as he was "protecting a white lay from thugs".

You had Boston fans calling people N*****s and throwing bottles. You had Baltimore fans who didn't stop it but rather encouraged it because they were drunk off their asses as well. End of the day it was a FAILURE on all sides.

I think it would be only natural to get ticked off having a mob come along and hurl projectiles at you. The videos taken and posted online show a few scuffles but for the most part a lot of white folks were standing behind the barriers and having trashcans full of bottles and anything else these heathens could get their hands on and thrown at the people. And when one of the patrons confronted this out of control I heard folks pleading with the rioters to stop and asking where in the world were the police? I saw this out of control mob jumping on cars with folks inside them bashing in windshields and other cars being destroyed. I saw a guy get hit with something and it knocked him to the ground and then the rioter came over while he was down and started pounding on him with his fists. I saw people inside some establishment where things were being thrown through the windows and all you could hear was screaming. It was well reported that right at Camden Yards the police in riot gear were being pelted with trash as well and the rioters were in their face but they had been given orders not to react. There is no excuse for this kind of behavior.
 
That is grotesque. However there can be...should be?...programs that start earlier, like in high school, to encourage minorities to take an interest in law enforcement jobs. Just like for athletics...they have to maintain certain grade levels to pass and play. I realize that's only if the kids are really interested when teens.

But no way should standards be lowered. And as the article showed with an example, blacks dont need it or want to be seen as needing it.

There is a town near me that was investigated by the Justice Dept because minority police officers who wanted to be promoted had to take tests on their abilities and knowledge of law enforcement. Most of the minorities failed the exam, yet some minorities did pass. There were officers who didn't know the difference between a felony and a misdemeanor. Now, that's sad. Also, the police entrance exam had to be changed so that more could pass. I tried to find samples of the test given, but that was 7 years ago, and nothing was available. I do know that the test I saw was so easy, I thought it was an insult to my intelligence. Now, a prospective officer, who can't pass that kind of test has me worried about what he or she will be like on the street.
 
why are they there?


idiots.

To cause mayhem, and commit crime free from arrest..."Cooling off" periods are proven NOT to work....This should have been met with overwhelming show of force from the police, and arrests should have taken place from the first rock thrown, the first punch thrown, the first fire attempted....This was complete failed leadership....

And don't give me the socio-economic crap either....being poor doesn't excuse criminal behavior. Being poor doesn't excuse current demo leadership in the city from the failure to correct prior demo leadership in that very city policy....Balto has been under demo governance for literally decades...
 
But not for no or little reason. And not for 'being white'.

As I said in my earlier post, I'll grant you that there are some cases based on that, but I don't think it's the majority by far. The majority by far, as per the crime statistics, are that minorities are far more engaged in criminal activities than other populations.
 
Is it an idiot that stays around to try and protect his business? Do you realize the number of small business owners who live directly above their businesses in that part of town?


yes, you put your business in a place where it is illegal to protect it with guns. You are a fool to try to protect material things over your life. Egress the area and let insurance sort it out.


It has been a common practice since the beginning of this country for the family to live above the store. The mom and pop grocery, the bakery, the Italian restaurant or the bar and grill...... These people have sunk all they have to provide for their families and had to flee their homes when their businesses were torched. Now they are homeless.


This is what insurance is for, glad to be alive I bet.



Reporters work for news agencies. Reporters are required to go into any unrest and report on what is going on. Are you saying all white reporters should not be there?


I think they should be careful how they proceed.


White folks love baseball, are you saying all white folks should have stayed home that day when the riots broke out in front of Camden Yards when they had no idea that this is the area where the mayor allowed rioters to act out in destruction? Well tomorrow night the Orioles are going to play the White Sox with no damn audience. The stadium will be empty because of the riots. WTH?????


yeah, uhm, yes they should have stayed home, locals know the areas, and it would be stupid to go see a baseball game during a defacto race riot.








I wouldn't have gone to this game.


those ****ing savages were throwing **** at a parapalegic woman, this is a time, where I think cops would be right to shoot any of those assholes throwing **** in thier little riot.

and that good samaratin who protected the parapalegic woman should be recognized. Damn.
 
1. You already replied to this. Our exchange was not about what to do about it.
2. The information provided showed that you were wrong. Which is what was being pointed out and is what our exchange was about.
3. You then deflected by ignoring what was said and instead referred to "cones" which the reply had nothing to do with.
4. You again deflected by saying the provided Youtube video wasn't available when it was and yet showed you could access the other Youtube video posted by another.
Stop with the deflection. Cans were also thrown at folks, not just cars.
Wait, I said what "I" saw being beaten with cones. Are there other vids seen by others? Maybe maybe not. Clearly some were found. What do you want me to say?
From what I saw in relation to the comment made was "drive away".
 
Wait, I said what "I" saw being beaten with cones. Are there other vids seen by others? Maybe maybe not. Clearly some were found. What do you want me to say?
From what I saw in relation to the comment made was "drive away".
Are you not paying attention to what you quote?

I asked; Are you now aware that at the time you said this you were wrong?
The simple answer would be; Yes, I am now aware I was incorrect. Or; No, I am still not aware.
:doh
 
Why not burn down city hall? why not burn down the police stations?


Why burn down community centers? churches? liquor stores and steal drugs from pharmacies? No, I don't get where they are "Coming from". these things have nothing to do with freddie gray.

That's a bit beside the point that was made in the post you quoted.
 
Ok, but do you see how you are arguing for less menacing police presence, but with such the criminals take over? Scenes like last night IMHO would become a regular occurrence with the neutering of police.

Right, because cleaning up abuse, corruption and excess in the nations police departments is equal to neutering them.
 
To cause mayhem, and commit crime free from arrest..."Cooling off" periods are proven NOT to work....This should have been met with overwhelming show of force from the police, and arrests should have taken place from the first rock thrown, the first punch thrown, the first fire attempted....This was complete failed leadership....

And don't give me the socio-economic crap either....being poor doesn't excuse criminal behavior. Being poor doesn't excuse current demo leadership in the city from the failure to correct prior demo leadership in that very city policy....Balto has been under demo governance for literally decades...




what Are you talking about? I'm talking about non black people, who were in a defacto race riot.
 
Right, because cleaning up abuse, corruption and excess in the nations police departments is equal to neutering them.

Anyone who watches the videos of Teenagers throwing chunks of concrete at LEOs, or rioters burning down their own community and STILL thinks that " Police brutality " is the #1 problem facing inner city communities is a friken idiot.
 
Just about any action criminal or otherwise can be justified via comparison

That doesn't mean the criminals who exploit the deaths of perfect stranger should get a pass.

It also doesn't mean that the underlying issues that lead to inner city Communitees turning into a tender box should be ignored either.

I bet the hard working law abiding people that live in Ferguson or Baltimore could give a rats ass about Ukraine.

Especially now after what once was their neighborhood is now a series of burned out structures and vandalized cars.

People don't realize that riots leave lasting impressions on a community. There are still burned out structures in Detroit from the riots that took place decades ago.

Whats sad is these riots will be relatively quickly forgotten and the real issues that steer inner city areas into powder kegs will be ignored like they've been for decades.

I agree, police corruption, abuse and excess, which leads to periodic protests/riots will largely be ignored.
 
Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers

You're probably right that Baltimore has problems that need to be dealt with. Maybe I have been overly dismissive without seeing that side of it. That said, rioting is not the answer.

The CVS owners and employees didn't do anything to deserve having their store burned down. The officers that were assaulted were not the same as those who perpetrated the crimes against those young men. The lady who had a trash can thrown at her didn't do anything to deserve it. The owners of the elderly home that was burned down, and the old people living there, never did anything to anyone.

So at the end of the day, senseless chaos and violence are not the answer. There are more constructive ways to be heard

Nobody condones rioting and protest as an "answer". But that alternative "answer" that your suggesting needs to be produced which will bring an end to the former.
 
I agree, police corruption, abuse and excess, which leads to periodic protests/riots will largely be ignored.

Again, anyone who STILL thinks " Police Brutalitly " is the biggest problem for inner city areas after watching he videos of Teenagers throwing bricks at LEOs, looters burning down shops and destroying property in their own community is a friken idiot.
 
Are you not paying attention to what you quote?

I asked; Are you now aware that at the time you said this you were wrong?
The simple answer would be; Yes, I am now aware I was incorrect. Or; No, I am still not aware.
:doh

Sure, I was wrong. I suppose you and others found other vids I hadn't seen. Great job. Keep in mind that I don't have a constant stream of the goings on in Maryland.
 
Anyone who watches the videos of Teenagers throwing chunks of concrete at LEOs, or rioters burning down their own community and STILL thinks that " Police brutality " is the #1 problem facing inner city communities is a friken idiot.

Right, and I never said that police corruption, abuse and excess is the "#1 problem facing inner city communities". If you can quote me, do so. I just want to see such corruption, abuse and police excess cleaned up, and then that reason for rioting and violent protest disappear. Those that are charged with law enforcement must themselves be law compliant.
 
Nobody condones rioting and protest as an "answer". But that alternative "answer" that your suggesting needs to be produced which will bring an end to the former.

You DO realize reports are coming out that claim Freddie Gray had Spinal surgery a week before his arrest.
 
Again, anyone who STILL thinks " Police Brutalitly " is the biggest problem for inner city areas after watching he videos of Teenagers throwing bricks at LEOs, looters burning down shops and destroying property in their own community is a friken idiot.

Who still thinks that, do tell, and substantiate it?
 
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