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Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

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Let me state this as clearly as I can - No more over the top baiting or flaming. No more personal attacks. No more toeing the line of hate speech. The consequences won't be light.

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scary stuff

i support the police in general in the same sense that i support the troops: there may be bad apples, but for the most part these people are putting their lives on the line so the rest of us can live in relative safety and security. there are significant reforms that can and must be made to our armed forces, but overall, i support and respect them, and wish for their continued safety

The problem is sometimes they hurt or kill "the rest of us". That pisses the "rest of us off" and gives the bad guys even more excuse to justify hurting and killing cops, which in turn makes cops even more distrustful of the public leading to even more violent incidents "with the rest of us".

Escalation hurts everyone.
 
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You are familiar with white Baltimore (Inner Harbor and downtown area). Grats you see the band-aid that covers years and years of issues that Baltimore politics has ignored. The actions of today are barely a reflection a African-American community in Baltimore.

You wanna understand why people in Baltimore are pissed? Here are the words of John Angelos (son of Owner of the Orioles). Angelos family understand Baltimore better then most and more then those MSM talking heads who watched "The Wire".

So for everybody arguing and say this or that about those rioting or why they are wrong and so on.. Understand something. You know jack **** about Baltimore and what this is really about. Baltimore politicians don't want to deal with the problems and have ignored them for decades. Freddie Gray just sparked it but the issues are REAL and instead of dealing with it.. the City has allowed things to blow up and are now relying on the National Guard (Military) to solve their problem.

You want people to listen and solve the problems in your city, rioting is the wrong way to go about it. All you're going to get is blowback. And rightly so.

These perpetrators deserve whatever they get
 
Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers

You are familiar with white Baltimore (Inner Harbor and downtown area). Grats you see the band-aid that covers years and years of issues that Baltimore politics has ignored. The actions of today are barely a reflection a African-American community in Baltimore.

You wanna understand why people in Baltimore are pissed? Here are the words of John Angelos (son of Owner of the Orioles). Angelos family understand Baltimore better then most and more then those MSM talking heads who watched "The Wire".

So for everybody arguing and say this or that about those rioting or why they are wrong and so on.. Understand something. You know jack **** about Baltimore and what this is really about. Baltimore politicians don't want to deal with the problems and have ignored them for decades. Freddie Gray just sparked it but the issues are REAL and instead of dealing with it.. the City has allowed things to blow up and are now relying on the National Guard (Military) to solve their problem.

Just because I said one thing doesn't mean I don't know another. You don't know jack **** about me, either. There's no excuse, nor any good reason for what's going on. So can it, and don't presume to be in a position to give me lectures.
 
I think this is a great opportunity for local community organizers in Baltimore to register people to vote. Clearly, if only more democrats were elected to state and local offices in Baltimore we wouldn't be seeing the liberal base rioting. The white republicans that have been running Baltimore and the state of Maryland for generations are responsible for the inequality and racism that has caused the city to erupt...

Yes, the "liberal base." Clearly poor, young minorities make up a large voting bloc.

Anything to smear liberals is apparently fair game.
 
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Is this any different than a big city winning a sports championship? This is nothing but an excuse for a shopping spree.

If Freddie Gray had car trouble I doubt anyone of those rioters would have stopped to help him.
 
I love the United States, always have. I cannot live there because this is the US now. It was the America I left in 1967, LA and Detroit took turns being burned. Nine dead in Ohio....and Jesse was pimping even then.

In recent months we have had Ferguson and New York take a trip in the war zone. There will be more, many. Because your system is corrupt. Elected politicians know they don't have to fix anything, merely make it look like they tried.

In the meantime races are trump cards to be played at election time, run a black guy because he's black and the 'black vote' figures they have a champion in the White House only to find he's a champion of Walls Street and Hollywood rap stars.

In 66 years I have seen NO progress on race, merely hand outs to blacks to buy their vote, AA programs that cause resentment in whites, all negatives, no positives. The blacks are as at fault as thew police, using violence instead of brain power, head butting instead of shame like my personal hero of all time, Mahatma Gandhi. Passive resistance defeated the British Empire.

I have said many times the election of Barack Obama has set back race relations in the US by a decade at least. You chose a black man because he was hip and black, not qualified and now you pay a price.

Something to think about as the nation considers the first woman president only because she's a woman.

Now is there anyone who truly believes Hillary can end racial violence?

Yeah, you've definitely said it. It's total codswallop, devoid of any actual merit, but you're right, you have said it.

What on Earth does Hillary Clinton have to do with this?
 
Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers

You are familiar with white Baltimore (Inner Harbor and downtown area). Grats you see the band-aid that covers years and years of issues that Baltimore politics has ignored. The actions of today are barely a reflection a African-American community in Baltimore.

You wanna understand why people in Baltimore are pissed? Here are the words of John Angelos (son of Owner of the Orioles). Angelos family understand Baltimore better then most and more then those MSM talking heads who watched "The Wire".

So for everybody arguing and say this or that about those rioting or why they are wrong and so on.. Understand something. You know jack **** about Baltimore and what this is really about. Baltimore politicians don't want to deal with the problems and have ignored them for decades. Freddie Gray just sparked it but the issues are REAL and instead of dealing with it.. the City has allowed things to blow up and are now relying on the National Guard (Military) to solve their problem.

No I don't know jack **** about Baltimore, but based on these riots and that post, **** it, let it burn
 
Yes people, lets take something that everyone should agree on (maybe not some actions but generally condemn action of the rioters) into a "battle," because just have to attack "liberals."

Here is a massive hint: POLITICS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. So shut...the ****...up.

They don't ?

Are you sure ?

Because there seems to be a correlation between the inner city areas that are more prone to riots and the level of Democrat representation that that area recieves.

The areas that have historically been prone to riots and violence typically have heavy Democrat representation

Thats not a coincidence. From perpetuating destructive and divisive false narratives to implementing foolish and destructive policies that lead to more unemployment and dependance the policies of the left are far more responsible than you realize.

Politicians and toxic activist do their best to instill a sense of victimization and then tell the people that they're only hope is through the Federal government.

While the Politicians promise " hope and change " inner City poverty and Crime gets ignored whether its Chicago, Detroit or Ferguson because its Politically inconvenient to call attention to a worsening situation.

Riots in the streets because one Black Man dies in Police custody but multiple shootings and deaths every weekend in Chicago don't raise an eyebrow in the hood or in the White House.
 
The were probably fleeing other police officers but got shot in the back.

Outrage over one Black man who dies in Police custody but the multiple shootings and murders that happen on a weekly basis in Chicago ?

No thats not a problem. Black lives matter.... only when they're taken by Police Officers.
 
She said they gave the protesters the space to destroy things if they wanted to.

Wow.

Thank God I live in Texas. The average law abiding citizen has a pistol either on them or in their vehicle.

yeah not much chance of this nonsense taking place in states where most citizens can own weapons and carry them in public

I have a SW 40 in the car and often a CMMG M4 in the trunk
 
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You want people to listen and solve the problems in your city, rioting is the wrong way to go about it. All you're going to get is blowback. And rightly so.

These perpetrators deserve whatever they get

Two things..

1) Nobody wanted to listen for the last few decades. Nobody.

2) This is the reaction when discourse fails.

Here is an article done by the Baltimore Sun on Police brutality in Baltimore. Written in Sept 2014. And the Atlantic ran it's own cover of it today.

4 years and $5.7m paid on police brutality cases... 100 of them. At which point does the police force, local government, state and federal government look into the situation and rectify it? They still haven't.. and Freddie Gray was another victim of that brutality. At some point, you get fed up and rather burn the whole **** down just to prove the point you are done with it. As your elected leaders don't care and you can't rely on the police so.. anarchy must be achieved to prove the point.
 
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Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers

Just because I said one thing doesn't mean I don't know another. You don't know jack **** about me, either. There's no excuse, nor any good reason for what's going on. So can it, and don't presume to be in a position to give me lectures.

You flat out said.. you are somewhat familiar with Baltimore. Did you know the current Mayor (Stephanie Rawlings-Blake) is just as corrupt as Mayor Dixon who she replaced. That SRB (current mayor) has wanted to get rid of "vacant" lots and give them to her political donors that the city owned.. Her words the other day about giving rioters "space" was her hoping they'd burn down other vacant lots so the city could take over them and give them to her donors.

When the Mayor, City Council, and Police are that corrupt and that wicked.. sometimes this is the end result. State and Federal Governments for years have ignored this problem.


I am not excusing the behavior at all. Rather, I am saying people are fed up with the corruption and police brutality and this is what happens when you ignore those who have been years trying to peaceful change the situation.
 
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No I don't know jack **** about Baltimore, but based on these riots and that post, **** it, let it burn

These aren't riots, unless you wanna call what happened in Kiev as riots as well.. Rather this is the militant and fed up side of the underbelly saying enough is enough. It'll die out.. but it can't be ignored anymore.
 
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"Rioting is the language of the unheard." - Martin Luther King Jr.

It's alledged that the rioters were mostly kids from the community. So the notion of cops shooting local kids who are rioting because of police brutality is probably not a good idea while the eyes of the world are watching.....live.


But it was very stupid not to call for the curfew tonight instead of tomorrow. I must say, I'm not very impressed with Baltimore's mayor.


Baltimore has a black female mayor, a black police chief, a black congressman and black representatives....so it's not like blacks aren't represented in local government so it must be a systemic problem in the police department. I wouldn't be surprised if the DoJ report on Ferguson also applied to Baltimore as well as hundreds of other urban minority areas.
 
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Being the topic of gangs and Baltimore, interesting story over on twitter. Supposedly some gang member helped a reporter from the Baltimore Sun and a reporter from The Guardian get to safety during an incident today:

This Rollin' 60s Crips member says he pulled @justin_fenton to safety today during a flare up.
https://twitter.com/MarkPuente/status/592894321583611907

If you look at the link, there is a reason I qualify with supposedly (wouldn't have noticed if it wasn't pointed out in comments though).

Also from twitter, not sure if mentioned, but a photographer for the Sun got jumped a few hours back according to Justin Fenton.
 
Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers

"Rioting is the language of the unheard." - Martin Luther King Jr.

It's alledged that the rioters were mostly kids from the community. So the notion of cops shooting local kids who are rioting because of police brutality is probably not a good idea while the eyes of the world are watching.....live.


But it was very stupid not to call for the curfew tonight instead of tomorrow. I must say, I'm not very impressed with Baltimore's mayor.


Baltimore has a black female mayor, a black police chief, a black congressman and black representatives....so it's not like blacks aren't represented in local government so it must be a systemic problem in the police department. I wouldn't be surprised if the DoJ report on Ferguson also applied to Baltimore as well as hundreds of other urban minority areas.

It started with the kids (high school level). Then as it got into the communities it was everybody. Mayor and State Government couldn't do a curfew tonight. They don't have the assets. So tomorrow is when the rubber had to meet the road.
 
Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers

Two things..

1) Nobody wanted to listen for the last few decades. Nobody.

2) This is the reaction when discourse fails.

Here is an article done by the Baltimore Sun on Police brutality in Baltimore. Written in Sept 2014. And the Atlantic ran it's own cover of it today.

4 years and $5.7m paid on police brutality cases... 100 of them. At which point does the police force, local government, state and federal government look into the situation and rectify it? They still haven't.. and Freddie Gray was another victim of that brutality. At some point, you get fed up and rather burn the whole **** down just to prove the point you are done with it. As your elected leaders don't care and you can't rely on the police so.. anarchy must be achieved to prove the point.

Wait... you mean that the notion of these riots stopping discussion is exposed as bull**** because the discussion wasn't happening without the riots to begin with? I'm shocked. SHOCKED I TELLS YA! You mean to say that this is simply one more case in a situation that was never being addressed to begin with? That is simply outrageous. Off with your head, heathen!
 
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What seems to be missing from all this is the protestors calling for the local government to resign like they did in Ferguson.
I wonder why that is?





The only cans and cones swung around were on cars.
Are you now aware that at the time you said this you were wrong?
Cans were being thrown not just at vehicles.






I hear that peaceful religion, the Nation of Islam, brought the gangs together to attack the police.
Maybe?

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But of course they don't make that "credible information" available to we the people.
Of course they wouldn't.
Why in the world do you think they should jeopardize their source?


Sure.

Makes perfect sense.

Criminals are committing crime so it it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that gangs have entered in to a partnership, forming something like one big supergang, for the avowed purpose of executing police officers.

Like in the Batman movies!

Sorry man, I just don't buy it.
:doh

While not indicative of cooperation between the gangs the above image of Blood, Crips and the NOI supports that their may just be.





Then there is stuff like this ...
 
Well, "feeling threatened" is the "reason" that Michael Slager gave for shooting Scott,
That is only what you were told, and while sufficient that may not be the sole reason.


so while I agree with you that being assaulted certainly raises the stakes, Slager didn't go with that excuse because he didn't know that he was being video taped at the time of the murder (an oversight for which I'm certain he's kicking himself in the pants).
All around wrong.
1. The assault would have contributed to the fear he experienced.
2. The witness said that the Officer knew he was being recorded.


Either way, neither "feeling threatened" nor "being assaulted" rise to the standard set by Tennessee v. Garner and Graham v. Connor in respect to shooting a fleeing felon.
You simply have no idea of what you speak.


In order to shoot a fleeing felon Slager would have to be able to demonstrate that the felon posed an imminent threat either to himself (Slager) or to a bystander.
Maybe you should familiarize yourself with what the jury instruction says, as "immanent" is not the requirement. It follows the holding in Tennessee v. Garner.

Police officer - arrest
During an arrest for a felony, if the arresting officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or to others, the officer may prevent the escape by using deadly Force. [SUP]71[/SUP]

The Officer had probable cause to believe he was just such a threat, not just after the suspect assaulted him, but also when the suspect took the Officer's taser.
It wasn't murder.


But, again, since Slager didn't know he was being video recorded he didn't think to make up a big lie about how Scott was running toward "the children" (or some other innocent, defenseless bystander) necessitating the use of deadly force.

What Slager did was shoot a fleeing felon in the back at a distance of 30 or so feet despite the face that Scott posed no imminent threat to anyone.

And that, my friend, is murder.
:doh All nonsensical speculation on your part.
The evidence does not support a murder charge.


The part of the video that had nothing to do with a cop murdering a guy in cold blood (and then attempting to cover up his crime by tampering with evidence) wasn't released until it was released.
There was no cold blooded murder.
There was an Officer responding to the threat a criminal was at the moment the criminal was a threat.
And securing your weapon is protocol, not tampering with evidence.
And alleging cover-up or staging is asinine, especially as he knew he was being recorded, and because what he dropped was done so in the view of the other Officer.


because under no circumstances is a cop (or anyone else in America) allowed to shoot a fleeing man in the back from 30 feet away and then stage the scene so it appears as though no crime was committed.
Wrong.
And once you are firing to stop a fleeing felon, you fire until that felon has stopped fleeing.
 
Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers

Being the topic of gangs and Baltimore, interesting story over on twitter. Supposedly some gang member helped a reporter from the Baltimore Sun and a reporter from The Guardian get to safety during an incident today:

This Rollin' 60s Crips member says he pulled @justin_fenton to safety today during a flare up.
https://twitter.com/MarkPuente/status/592894321583611907

If you look at the link, there is a reason I qualify with supposedly (wouldn't have noticed if it wasn't pointed out in comments though).

Also from twitter, not sure if mentioned, but a photographer for the Sun got jumped a few hours back according to Justin Fenton.
Supposedly is right. A Crip wearing red? iLOL

But that is what civilized folks should do, regardless of his affiliation.

Just like these guys @ the 00:33 second mark.
They are doing the right thing, as opposed to those earlier in the video.

 
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Baltimore is no stranger to riots.....


The Baltimore bank riot of 1835 was a violent reaction to the failure of the Bank of Maryland in 1834. The riot, which lasted from 6–9 August, was aimed at the homes and property of a number of former directors of the bank, who had been accused of financial misconduct and fraud. The Baltimore bank riot was one of the most violent and destructive events in any American city prior to the Civil War.
Baltimore bank riot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Baltimore riot of 1861 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Great Railroad Strike of 1877 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Baltimore riot of 1968 was composed of black Baltimoreans lasting from April 6 to April 14. The riot included crowds filling the streets, burning and looting local businesses, and confronting the police and national guard. The immediate cause of the rioting was the April 4 assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. in Memphis, Tennessee, which triggered riots in 125 cities across the United States. These events are sometimes described as the Holy Week Uprising.[1]
Baltimore riot of 1968 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Baltimore's unemployment rate in July 2012 was 11%,[136] and the 2012 closure of a major steel plant at Sparrows Point is expected to have a further impact on employment and the local economy.[137] One quarter of Baltimore residents (and 37% of Baltimore children) live in poverty.[138]
Baltimore - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers

Supposedly is right. A Crip wearing red? iLOL

But that is what civilized folks should do, regardless of his affiliation.

Just like these guys @ the 00:33 second mark.
They are doing the right thing, as opposed to those earlier in the video.



I think it's misreported. It's a blood.
 
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You wanna understand why people in Baltimore are pissed? Here are the words of John Angelos (son of Owner of the Orioles). Angelos family understand Baltimore better then most and more then those MSM talking heads who watched "The Wire".
Thank you for the link - Mr. Angelos 'nailed it' in the macro sense, I believe.

I think this paragraph ties it all-together very nicely:

That said, my greater source of personal concern, outrage and sympathy beyond this particular case is focused neither upon one night’s property damage nor upon the acts, but is focused rather upon the past four-decade period during which an American political elite have shipped middle class and working class jobs away from Baltimore and cities and towns around the U.S. to third-world dictatorships like China and others, plunged tens of millions of good, hard-working Americans into economic devastation, and then followed that action around the nation by diminishing every American’s civil rights protections in order to control an unfairly impoverished population living under an ever-declining standard of living and suffering at the butt end of an ever-more militarized and aggressive surveillance state.
 
I think that the Middle Class are being told that if they don't want to protect those most vulnerable within our society, then the Poor Folks need to show the Middle Class just how vulnerable the Middle Class really is.

Is there any instance in history where the Ruling Class ever gave anything to the Lower Class without the threat of violence?

All this talk about peaceful protest is propaganda taught to us in grade school.

Martin Luther King preached non-violence because he was being threatened with arrest for inciting riots. So he kept his powder dry. But, in the backgroud there was violence all over the American South.

President Johnson introduced the voting rights act and other programs for minorities because protesters were bringing cities to a standstill.

In 2006, the "Peaceful" immigrant protests shut down several major American cities. Within 4 days, the government began to talk about "Comprehensive" immigration reform.

Does anybody really think that Roosevelt introduced the "New Deal" because it was "Kind To Animal Week"? There were huge protests and threats/plots to take over the Whitehouse.
Business Plot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"And, it didn't happen because FDR was a great guy. It happened because people in this country were so radicalized, were so determined, were so organized, that he was able to sell the new deal to the elites as a compromise because the alternative was revolution."
--Naomi Klein, National Conference for Media reform, June 07, 2008--

Before the New Deal was introduced, Eisenhower and Patton were sent in to set fire to the unemployed camps.

Everybody talks about Ghandi and peace .... but when Ghandi was walking around with his hands folded in prayer, the British military was being attacked on every front.

All this "Jibberish" about non-violence is sold to us as a "Religion" and it is all a myth.

The Ruling Class never gave the Lower Class anything without the threat of violence.

All the social gains made during the 60's and 70's was because the Ruling Class were under threat.

Without the threat of violence, the Ruling Class ignores you.

In addition:

I think that we are going to witness huge protests as we witnessed in the 1960's and 70's.

I'm convinced that Martial Law will be declared in North America within the next five years and that is why every police force has been militarized.

I believe that the visible minorities in the U.S. had been keeping their powder dry and not protesting because they don't want to shame Obama, the first black president. Thus the reason why the visible minorities did not fully support the Occupy Movement.

The media is just selling the narrative of The Ol' Rodney King trip of "Can't We All Just Get Along"?

The anger and economic pain within the minority community in the U.S. is huge.

I would want to point out that the population or demographics of young people (16-24) of North America was huge during the 1960's and 70's.

Today, the segment or demographics of young people is not quite large as it was during the "Hippie-Daze", but today young people are twice as angry at least. Young people are facing the worst economic prospects since at least the 1940's.

During the 1960's the parents of Hippies did not actively encourage their children to protest, but today the parents are encouraging their children to protest and in fact want to join them on the streets.

And there was more respect for law and order during the Hippie Daze.

Calm
 
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