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Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

...every day there are cops out actually helping people...


The fact that that even needs to be mentioned as a defense against a wholesale legitimate condemnation of what law enforcement has become is pretty pathetic, don't you think?
 
That's the Liberal MSM that wants to embellish a point.....every day there are cops out actually helping people. Many times it has nothing to do with a crime.

The cop that runs into a burning fire to get people out, The cop that arrives on the scene with seniors who have become lost and disoriented, the cops that saves one from a drug overdose, the cops that help kids out and save their lives and are known throughout communities all across the nation.

Cops out helping people.....when I was younger I never really paid attention to that aspect of their daily lives. As I have gotten older and I have noticed that while they have a job to do. That many go well beyond the call of duty and have a place in their neighborhoods. That in essence they are people too.

Yet.....we rarely see the Media throw up the feel good stories unless it is to deflect from another issue.



Falsehood: Cops risk their lives every day.

Truth: Policing is a relatively safe profession, behind construction workers, dentists, and mental health workers.

Falsehood: Police spend their time fighting crime.

Truth: Police spend less than 20% of their time on busting people. They spend 30% at trial. 50% of their duties are in the nature of "Serve" everything from directing traffic to rescuing people, first responders to injury and accidents.

Falsehood: Police have a quota of tickets and arrests.

Truth: "No sir, I can write as many as I like, would you like another for reusing a reasonable request of a police officer". Most professional cops would rather clear an incident without the paperwork and court time if they can.

Fact: Police [here anyway] spend more time learning how to deal with mental health issues than at the firing range.


You will not see many "feel good stories". No one ever phoned my newsroom to ask how many planes landed safely that day, or how many police saved someone pain, suffering or embarasment.

One note. I was recently in emerge for a day for this Menniere's disease. While there I notice several police waiting with patients, usually very feeble or mixed up. I learned they are there as an extension of first response, if police aare involved they stay with the patient until they are stable or family arrives to give comfort and continuity.

Cops are the good guys, everyone else is a suspect
 
That's the Liberal MSM that wants to embellish a point.....every day there are cops out actually helping people. Many times it has nothing to do with a crime.

The cop that runs into a burning fire to get people out, The cop that arrives on the scene with seniors who have become lost and disoriented, the cops that saves one from a drug overdose, the cops that help kids out and save their lives and are known throughout communities all across the nation.

Cops out helping people.....when I was younger I never really paid attention to that aspect of their daily lives. As I have gotten older and I have noticed that while they have a job to do. That many go well beyond the call of duty and have a place in their neighborhoods. That in essence they are people too.

Yet.....we rarely see the Media throw up the feel good stories unless it is to deflect from another issue.

The hypocrisy here is glaring.

A few cops are bad and all cops are bad.

A few blacks destroy things and they are individuals.
 
The hypocrisy here is glaring.

A few cops are bad and all cops are bad.

A few blacks destroy things and they are individuals.



Heya Mason. :2wave: Yeah there are a few bad cops.....sometimes they run in crews. But for the most, they rarely have to pull their gun.....even for some cops that have respect from the Bangers.
 
The fact that that even needs to be mentioned as a defense against a wholesale legitimate condemnation of what law enforcement has become is pretty pathetic, don't you think?

Not really.....you don't think Many Suburban cops and rural town cops are dealing with what those in City are, do ya? Small town America may have crime.....but its nothing like whats in a major city.

Here to.....the bangers at times have joined forces to go after a few cops. Most times.....after all the wash. One did discover about who was a bad cop and who wasn't.
 
"A couple" is two.

More than two of these videos are posted every hour. Of every day. For years now.

Most of them are just raw footage.

Nothing "edited" about them.

And I didn't say anything about "damning" anyone.

I said that they no longer have my trust.

A couple years ago a cop could do just about anything and I'd give him or her the benefit of the doubt because, as you apparently still are, I was naive about what was actually going on in the law enforcement community.

Being a white, upper middle class, college educated, moderately conservative, Veteran the police were my kind of people.

Not any more.

Now you have to be a far (and I mean lunatic fringe) right wing ideologue who is more interested in style than substance in order to support these people across the board.

Now I take the position, like Ronald Reagan said, of "Trust, but verify".

If there is any question that the police might possibly be in the wrong I generally assume that they were probably in the wrong.

Because they're in the wrong so gosh darn much.

It doesn't matter whether they're strong-arming a Nevada cattle rancher, shooting to death a Sunday school teacher in a church parking lot, or dealing with the worst drug dealing, gang affiliated elements of the Baltimore underbelly.
Clearly some are edited.
Even the SC officer shooting is "raw" and does not tell the whole story.
On the full vid you see the felon fighting with the officer. But that part was not released or supplied until after the officer was charged with murder.
 
The fact that that even needs to be mentioned as a defense against a wholesale legitimate condemnation of what law enforcement has become is pretty pathetic, don't you think?
Yea, that truth thing. She sure is pathetic.
 
Clearly some are edited.
Even the SC officer shooting is "raw" and does not tell the whole story.
On the full vid you see the felon fighting with the officer. But that part was not released or supplied until after the officer was charged with murder.

Oh.

I see.

The part of the video that had nothing to do with a cop murdering a guy in cold blood (and then attempting to cover up his crime by tampering with evidence) wasn't released until it was released.

Fair enough.

:roll:

At the end of the day it wouldn't really have mattered what happened in that previously unreleased portion of the video, because under no circumstances is a cop (or anyone else in America) allowed to shoot a fleeing man in the back from 30 feet away and then stage the scene so it appears as though no crime was committed.

But I will grant you that the irrelevant portion of the video was initially withheld.
 
Oh.

I see.

The part of the video that had nothing to do with a cop murdering a guy in cold blood (and then attempting to cover up his crime by tampering with evidence) wasn't released until it was released.

Fair enough.

:roll:

At the end of the day it wouldn't really have mattered what happened in that previously unreleased portion of the video, because under no circumstances is a cop (or anyone else in America) allowed to shoot a fleeing man in the back from 30 feet away and then stage the scene so it appears as though no crime was committed.

But I will grant you that the irrelevant portion of the video was initially withheld.

Never heard of the fleeing felon rules? Oh, yea that's right you have never worn the uniform. But you are an expert.
 
Never heard of the fleeing felon rules? Oh, yea that's right you have never worn the uniform. But you are an expert.



Were you a cop? I can't keep up with who is, was, or wasn't.


Fleeing felon rule specifically precludes shooting people in the back who don't post an imediate threat
 
Never heard of the fleeing felon rules? Oh, yea that's right you have never worn the uniform. But you are an expert.

Never heard of Tennessee v. Garner?

Graham v. Connor?

That pesky 4th Amendment!!!!

As American jurisprudence would have it cops actually aren't allowed to just shoot any old fleeing suspect in the back for no apparent reason other than an ambiguous claim of "feeling threatened" (nor are they allowed to plant evidence on that suspect or call in reports that they rendered first aid and performed CPR when in fact they actually just handcuffed the guy and allowed him to die face down in the dirt without making any effort to prevent a needless death).

Who would have thought?
 
Never heard of Tennessee v. Garner?

Graham v. Connor?

That pesky 4th Amendment!!!!

As American jurisprudence would have it cops actually aren't allowed to just shoot any old fleeing suspect in the back for no apparent reason other than an ambiguous claim of "feeling threatened" (nor are they allowed to plant evidence on that suspect or call in reports that they rendered first aid and performed CPR when in fact they actually just handcuffed the guy and allowed him to die face down in the dirt without making any effort to prevent a needless death).

Who would have thought?
Once you lay hands on an officer, you are no longer just a fleeing felon. That goes beyond the pale of "feeling threatened" and actually being assaulted.
 
Once you lay hands on an officer, you are no longer just a fleeing felon.

Yes, you are.

Assaulting a police officer is a felony.

If you assault a cop and run you are, by definition, a fleeing felon.

That goes beyond the pale of "feeling threatened" and actually being assaulted.

Well, "feeling threatened" is the "reason" that Michael Slager gave for shooting Scott, so while I agree with you that being assaulted certainly raises the stakes, Slager didn't go with that excuse because he didn't know that he was being video taped at the time of the murder (an oversight for which I'm certain he's kicking himself in the pants).

Either way, neither "feeling threatened" nor "being assaulted" rise to the standard set by Tennessee v. Garner and Graham v. Connor in respect to shooting a fleeing felon.

In order to shoot a fleeing felon Slager would have to be able to demonstrate that the felon posed an imminent threat either to himself (Slager) or to a bystander.

But, again, since Slager didn't know he was being video recorded he didn't think to make up a big lie about how Scott was running toward "the children" (or some other innocent, defenseless bystander) necessitating the use of deadly force.

What Slager did was shoot a fleeing felon in the back at a distance of 30 or so feet despite the face that Scott posed no imminent threat to anyone.

And that, my friend, is murder.
 
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Several officers are hurt right now -- one is unresponsive.
 
Yes, you are.

Assaulting a police officer is a felony.

If you assault a cop and run you are, by definition, a fleeing felon.
End your rant right there and you are right. Period.
Once someone rabbits, you don't know why and you don't know to what lengths they may go to. To stay running.
 
o_O not sure how "credible" credible means, but they should be on high alert as a matter of principle of the situation, not some dubious threat of "gang partnership".



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I would think that these gangs have the identities of specific LEOs that have killed brothers, not just a routine call to arms against cops in general. Ergo, the cops on their list will already have a good idea who they are. A pucker moment for , don't ya' know?
 
I would think that these gangs have the identities of specific LEOs that have killed brothers, not just a routine call to arms against cops in general. Ergo, the cops on their list will already have a good idea who they are. A pucker moment for , don't ya' know?

Nope, a lock and load moment. And yea, I know.
 
Were you a cop? I can't keep up with who is, was, or wasn't.


Fleeing felon rule specifically precludes shooting people in the back who don't post an imediate threat

Yes, and once you are willing to fight a cop. Go for his weapon, continue to run. I no longer give you the benefit of the doubt.
 
Yeah, Baltimore is a bit f'd. It was a powder keg waiting to go, and this latest killing of a suspect pushed it over. While many protesters likely want to do so peacefully and push for a solution, there are many criminals laying in wait to exploit opportunities of violence and crime. Hopefully the whole place doesn't burn down.
 
Yeah, Baltimore is a bit f'd. It was a powder keg waiting to go, and this latest killing of a suspect pushed it over. While many protesters likely want to do so peacefully and push for a solution, there are many criminals laying in wait to exploit opportunities of violence and crime. Hopefully the whole place doesn't burn down.

Yes, it's alot worse today. You have Orioles playing tonight in Baltimore. They need to call in the National Guard now or it's gonna blow up massively.
 
o_O not sure how "credible" credible means, but they should be on high alert as a matter of principle of the situation, not some dubious threat of "gang partnership".

IMO, it makes sense for the police to treat such threats seriously, even if their credibility is difficult to assess. Doing less might result in harm that could have been avoided. Making it known that such a threat is being taken seriously might deter the would-be perpetrators.

On a separate note, a positive police story, as a lot of attention is given to the negative ones: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-reunited-saved-dumpster-baby-article-1.2198895
 
We haven't really seen the gangs go at it yet, but the seemingly average youngsters in that community sure as hell are acting with more violence than in Missouri.

When cops are having their riot shields breaking in half from what these punks are throwing and cops coming out significantly injured, there is no way you can spin this innocently.
 
Yeah, Baltimore is a bit f'd. It was a powder keg waiting to go, and this latest killing of a suspect pushed it over. While many protesters likely want to do so peacefully and push for a solution, there are many criminals laying in wait to exploit opportunities of violence and crime. Hopefully the whole place doesn't burn down.

Tragically, where there is opportunity, there will be opportunists. The looting and destruction of property are disgusting. These people don't give a damn about Freddie Gray, only about themselves.

Meanwhile, there are questions about what happened to Freddie Gray that demand answers, but those answers haven't been provided, and it's time.
 
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