Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent [W:437]

Travis007 · Apr 27, 2015

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solletica said:
All that article says is that the models used to predict the average temperate of the Earth's atmosphere are incomplete.

What does that have to do w/the global warming issue? Explain.

Good God.... everything is "incomplete"... that why there are NO FACTS... and there as been no "constant" as far as any measure...

now tell me again how "liberals are the scientists" when you cant even get that..??

Ikari · Apr 27, 2015

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Redress said:
That is absolutely and entirely not what the study says. What it says is that the most extreme models are probably not accurate and more moderate models likely, which is not what you would call unexpected. It does not create any doubt about man made effects on climate change. Here is the actual study: Comparing the model-simulated global warming signal to observations using empirical estimates of unforced noise : Scientific Reports : Nature Publishing Group

What! The anti-science, anti-climate change folk lying about reported scientific findings!!!!! Say it's not so.

solletica · Apr 27, 2015

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Travis007 said:
that you are so ignorant on this subject is on full display..

The only thing on display is your inability to cite any facts at all when asked for it--the definition of ignorance.

Do you know what "ignorance" means? Please explain it to us in your own words. . .

sawdust · Apr 27, 2015

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jmotivator said:
Exactly, it is a major step in the right direction that many in the cult of AGW have even started admitting that the science is not, in fact, settled.

ocean515 isn't relying on science as proof of AGW, he's using Pascal's Wager which states we might as well believe because not believing has dire circumstances. The problem with that is that believing has dire consequences for the industrial economies of the world so if Pascal's Wager was valid logically, which it isn't, even believing is dire.

solletica · Apr 27, 2015

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Travis007 said:
Good God.... everything is "incomplete"... that why there are NO FACTS

False again. Your mind is incomplete--as evidenced by your inability to cite any facts at all, but this doesn't imply that "there are no facts."

solletica · Apr 27, 2015

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Fenton said:
Wrong,

In 2012 the NOAA made the claim that July 2012 was the hottest month on record surpassing July 1936 as the previous hottest month on record.

What does that have to do w/the global warming issue? Explain.

Travis007 · Apr 27, 2015

Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

solletica said:
False again. Your mind is incomplete--as evidenced by your inability to cite any facts at all, but this doesn't imply that "there are no facts."

It kinda does.. there are NO FACTS here.. as we have no constant to compare them against.. all data is INCOMPLETE and all nonsensical "facts" are wrong...

so you may want to look up what "fact" means

flogger · Apr 27, 2015

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solletica said:
What does that have to do w/the global warming issue? Explain.

Because its yet another example of the exaggeration and distortion used to promote this issue and our media just love a good panic. There is no incentive to correct those errors once realised because theres no money in it. Panic sells

Travis007 · Apr 27, 2015

Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

solletica said:
The only thing on display is your inability to cite any facts at all when asked for it--the definition of ignorance.

Do you know what "ignorance" means? Please explain it to us in your own words. . .

In 24 AD... what was the temperature in New Zealand?

solletica · Apr 27, 2015

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Travis007 said:
It kinda does.. there are NO FACTS here.. as we have no constant to compare them against.. all data is INCOMPLETE and all nonsensical "facts" are wrong...

It doesn't make sense that all facts are wrong when you have provided no evidence at all to substantiate it.

Look up ignorance again in the dictionary, then get back to us.

solletica · Apr 27, 2015

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flogger said:
Because its yet another example of the exaggeration and distortion used to promote this issue and our media just love a good panic.

It would only be such an example if it had something to do w/the global warming issue.

Once again, please explain to us the relevance of the predictability of average global temperature to the issue.

Travis007 · Apr 27, 2015

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solletica said:
It doesn't make sense that all facts are wrong when you have provided no evidence at all to substantiate it.

Look up ignorance again in the dictionary, then get back to us.

in 1581 ..what was the water temperature of the mid atlantic? how does that compare with it today?

factually..is is warmer or colder today?...

bubbabgone · Apr 27, 2015

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SlevinKelevra said:
swing and a miss.

is what they say when their situation is hopeless.

flogger · Apr 27, 2015

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solletica said:
It would only be such an example if it had something to do w/the global warming issue.

Once again, please explain to us the relevance of the predictability of average global temperature to the issue.

You aren't even remotely interested in my response and I'm not just about to repost everything I already have on this thread because you can't be bothered opening the links !

Fenton · Apr 27, 2015

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solletica said:
What does that have to do w/the global warming issue? Explain.

Lol !!

Do I really have to explain the relevence of a Tax payer funded Governmental agency manipulating temperature data and spouting off Pro AGW propaganda to the issue of Climate change ?

Without " homogenation ", without Computer models built on manipulated data there is NO AGW.

Its important to call out the propaganda whenever it rears its ugly head. That way more people are educated and the whole false narrative of AGW falls flat on its ass BEFORE the Democrats do something exceedingly stupid and destructive.

solletica · Apr 27, 2015

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flogger said:
You aren't even remotely interested in my response

Because you've yet to post anything relevant to the issue.

Why should anyone be interested in a post in which you claim to refute the evidence for global warming when your post has no relevance to it?

Travis007 · Apr 27, 2015

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Fenton said:
Lol !!

Do I really have to explain the relevence of a Tax payer funded Governmental agency manipulating temperature data and spouting off Pro AGW propaganda to the issue of Climate change ?

Without " homogenation ", without Computer models built on manipulated data there is NO AGW.

Its important to call out the propaganda whenever it rears its ugly head. That way more people are educated and the whole false narrative of AGW falls flat on its ass BEFORE the Democrats do something exceedingly stupid and destructive.

Great post.. you nailed it..

Travis007 · Apr 27, 2015

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solletica said:
Because you've yet to post anything relevant to the issue.

Why should anyone be interested in a post in which you claim to refute the evidence for global warming when your post has no relevance to it?

You havent posted anything but propaganda..you have not posted one fact

now tell me which dinosaur created the ice age..was it the Brontosaurus...? I heard that dino was GOP

flogger · Apr 27, 2015

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solletica said:
Because you've yet to post anything relevant to the issue.

:shock::shock::shock: !!!

Why should anyone be interested in a post in which you claim to refute the evidence for global warming when your post has no relevance to it?

If you cannot disengage from yawnsome US centric party political sniping long enough to actually read my links then how would you know ? :sigh:

Meanwhile......

http://www.c3headlines.com/climate-models/

bubbabgone · Apr 27, 2015

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solletica said:
Really, explain to us exactly what Gore said about climate change that was fraudulent--explain it to us.

Yeah, when he was talking about the earth's temperature he said it was several millions of degrees a couple of kilometers down.
This is where you say "Okay, he's a dick a couple of kilometers down, but he's a genius a kilometer up.".

solletica · Apr 27, 2015

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Fenton said:
Lol !!

Do I really have to explain the relevence of a Tax payer funded Governmental agency manipulating temperature data and spouting off Pro AGW propaganda to the issue of Climate change ?

Where's the evidence for this taxpayer funded manipulation? CITE.

Without " homogenation ", without Computer models built on manipulated data there is NO AGW.

Homogenization is a peer-reviewed process by which scientists remove data from measurements that are attributed to errors associated w/the manner in which the measurements are made. . .

Homogenisation of monthly and annual data from surface stations

It has nothing to do w/a deliberate manipulation of data to distort findings.

Don't you think it's time to learn the concepts/facts relevant to the issue before discussing it, instead of trolling stale right wing rants and making a total ass of yourself ?

longview · Apr 27, 2015

Re: Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are

solletica said:
All that article says is that the models used to predict the average temperate of the Earth's atmosphere are incomplete.

What does that have to do w/the global warming issue? Explain.

Back in post #138 you asked,

Before you start frothing and foaming, explain to us, in your own words, what the global warming issue is all about.

I explained in my words what the issues were and supported it with numbers from the Nature article.
The IPCC and Pro AGW scientist predicted warming at a .21 °C per decade rate, and only 0.04 °C per decade
showed up. This while CO2 levels continues to increase unabated.

Travis007 · Apr 27, 2015

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longview said:
Back in post #138 you asked,

I explained in my words what the issues were and supported it with numbers from the Nature article.
The IPCC and Pro AGW scientist predicted warming at a .21 °C per decade rate, and only 0.04 °C per decade
showed up. This while CO2 levels continues to increase unabated.

well said.. and thats the "facts" as we have them , within the only context we can view them in.. and it shows "virtually no rise"

But Al Gore made MILLIONS.. and who knows how much went to "the Clinton Foundation"

solletica · Apr 27, 2015

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longview said:
Back in post #138 you asked,

I explained in my words what the issues were and supported it with numbers from the Nature article.
The IPCC and Pro AGW scientist predicted warming at a .21 °C per decade rate, and only 0.04 °C per decade
showed up. This while CO2 levels continues to increase unabated.

Global warming has nothing to do w/accurately predicting average global temperature. It's merely about the extent to which man-made substances contribute to changes in that temperature.

Average global temperatures are affected by a number of natural phenomena that exist outside of current models.

longview · Apr 27, 2015

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Travis007 said:
well said.. and thats the "facts" as we have them , within the only context we can view them in.. and its shows "virtually no rise"

We are getting close to where the period which caused the initial concern will be exceeded by the
the period of the pause.