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Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent [W:437]

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CanadaJohn said:
Ontario is being bankrupted by liberal green idiots and they are now going to attempt to bankrupt the citizenry as well. Get ready out in BC for having your federal tax dollars funneled into Ontario as our economy craters in the next few years.

Sad to say, but after living my entire life here, I will be seriously considering a move out of this Province in the near future. I won't enter energy poverty to fund these destructive fools.
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I was born there, a little village called Elora. Your words make me sad. Just as sad as when the NDP was in power here in the 90's and families were being ripped apart because there was no work. For the first time in its history, there was not enough work in BC.

Now, "Upper Canada" is faltering, and while I have no problem with transfer payments, this is not how Canada should operate.

I am less concerned about socialists here. After the devastation we handed them in '12, they're phone booth meetings have produced nothing of interest; the new leader was the only candidate and while a nice guy, he's still a socialist. They are trying to re-invent themselves, they went the 'eco route' and opposed an oil pipeline not even proposed yet. That pissed off they're core, unionized workers in the resource industry so they left. The politics here now is "drill mother****er, drill and hurry up on those pipelines". The usually leftist media is harping that there isn't enough development like the Liberals promised.

If you are thinking of coming here, know that it really is a different culture here. Vancouver may look like a busy, industrious city, but one of the biggest industries is leisure. Ontarians sometimes have trouble adapting. A lot of laws are simply ignored here because there isn't a problem. We have marijuana dispensaries on every block and "Insight" the safe injection site is a national pride. I like it laid back like that.
 
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SlevinKelevra said:
I've only been here a short while, but threads like this make me even more skeptical about our future as a nation, or species.
Complete, shocking, and inexcusable scientific and mathetical illiteracy abounds. If this forum's members represent a cross-section of society at large, we are truly fubar'd.
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Yep, I don't think it does though.
 
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Fenton said:
The Models ARE wrong.

Global warming exist only in Computer models that are constructed using manipulated data.

For example ; the NOAA claimed that July 2012 was the hottest month on record, surpassing July 1932.

They made the claim based on their own " Homogenized " ( manipulated ) temperature data.

Well a REAL SCIENTIST looked into their claim and exposed it as the fraud that it was forcing the NOAA to make a quiet revision that reinstated July 1932 as the Hottest month on record.

You see, " homogenizing " ( manipulating ) temperature data to arrive at a predetermined conclusion isn't Science, its FRAUD

I wish those on the left would learn the difference.
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Well, there's certainly enough evidence that people needn't exaggerate.
 
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Redress said:
They did not say the models do not work, they said the most extreme models are unlikely. That is a very large, unsubtle difference.
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But given the media hysteria surrounding the most extreme models don't you think it might be a good idea to check out how they are doing ? After all its this extremism that has moulded public perceptions on this issue

STILL Epic Fail: 73 Climate Models vs. Measurements, Running 5-Year Means « Roy Spencer, PhD

Like I said crystal balls would have been more accurate
 
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Redress said:
I would be quick to point out I just paraphrased the study as well, but I do encourage people to read it for themselves. Never trust others to do your thinking for you.
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Thinking for myself is too difficult.
 
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And yet this study says they are not wrong. And every other study. And all you have is misrepresentations of what reality is
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It doesn't matter what the studies say the thermometers that tell a different story. If we just look at the US for example

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Lets put todays temperatures into some kind of proper historical context. Here are the post glacial temperature records from ice cores from both poles

Ice Cores

Today is well within natural temperature norms in both its level and rate of change. There really is nothing to worry about whatsoever
 
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Redress said:
That is absolutely and entirely not what the study says. What it says is that the most extreme models are probably not accurate and more moderate models likely, which is not what you would call unexpected. It does not create any doubt about man made effects on climate change. Here is the actual study: Comparing the model-simulated global warming signal to observations using empirical estimates of unforced noise : Scientific Reports : Nature Publishing Group
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But the fact is, we've had absolutely no measurable global warming in more than 19 years and all of the predictions made by the doom-and-gloom left have been completely false. The polar ice caps did not vanish by 2013, in fact, they've coming back quite nicely. All of the super-hurricanes predicted never came to pass. Any model that doesn't match up with reality is simply false.
 
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flogger said:
It doesn't matter what the studies say the thermometers that tell a different story. If we just look at the US for example

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Lets put todays temperatures into some kind of proper historical context. Here are the post glacial temperature records from ice cores from both poles

Ice Cores

Today is well within natural temperature norms in both its level and rate of change. There really is nothing to worry about whatsoever
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smh. wow.
 
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j-mac said:
yeah, i'm going for speed, not people carrying.
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6.4 h?
 
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Montecresto said:
6.4 h?
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5.7, with a larger cold air induction, and flomaster exhaust so far...Just bought it in Feb.
 
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SlevinKelevra said:
so you buy a pick up..
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It's pretty quick....I wouldn't be scoffing too much. It's basically a Challenger with a truck body on it...
 
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Fearandloathing said:
I was born there, a little village called Elora. Your words make me sad. Just as sad as when the NDP was in power here in the 90's and families were being ripped apart because there was no work. For the first time in its history, there was not enough work in BC.

Now, "Upper Canada" is faltering, and while I have no problem with transfer payments, this is not how Canada should operate.

I am less concerned about socialists here. After the devastation we handed them in '12, they're phone booth meetings have produced nothing of interest; the new leader was the only candidate and while a nice guy, he's still a socialist. They are trying to re-invent themselves, they went the 'eco route' and opposed an oil pipeline not even proposed yet. That pissed off they're core, unionized workers in the resource industry so they left. The politics here now is "drill mother****er, drill and hurry up on those pipelines". The usually leftist media is harping that there isn't enough development like the Liberals promised.

If you are thinking of coming here, know that it really is a different culture here. Vancouver may look like a busy, industrious city, but one of the biggest industries is leisure. Ontarians sometimes have trouble adapting. A lot of laws are simply ignored here because there isn't a problem. We have marijuana dispensaries on every block and "Insight" the safe injection site is a national pride. I like it laid back like that.
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If I have to move, I'll go where my retirement dollars will last and stretch the farthest. BC isn't likely to be that place, since its cost of living isn't any better than here and I'd hate being 3 hours behind everything good that happens here in the east.
 
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SlevinKelevra said:
smh. wow.
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Facts always work better than speculation don't you think ? :)

Panic sells and the people currently earning their coin peddling this AGW BS know it.
 
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flogger said:
But given the media hysteria surrounding the most extreme models don't you think it might be a good idea to check out how they are doing ? After all its this extremism that has moulded public perceptions on this issue

STILL Epic Fail: 73 Climate Models vs. Measurements, Running 5-Year Means « Roy Spencer, PhD

Like I said crystal balls would have been more accurate
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Checking results, and then double checking them is a good thing. I fully support that. Don't be upset if I don't consult Joe Blow's blog for my information on the subject though. I prefer actual information.
 
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Redress said:
Checking results, and then double checking them is a good thing. I fully support that. Don't be upset if I don't consult Joe Blow's blog for my information on the subject though. I prefer actual information.
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Here are 'Joe Blow's' (the author of the graph) qualifications to comment on the subject.

Roy W. Spencer received his Ph.D. in meteorology at the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 1981. Before becoming a Principal Research Scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville in 2001, he was a Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center, where he and Dr. John Christy received NASA’s Exceptional Scientific Achievement Medal for their global temperature monitoring work with satellites. Dr. Spencer’s work with NASA continues as the U.S. Science Team leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA’s Aqua satellite. He has provided congressional testimony several times on the subject of global warming.

Dr. Spencer’s research has been entirely supported by U.S. government agencies: NASA, NOAA, and DOE. He has never been asked by any oil company to perform any kind of service. Not even Exxon-Mobil.

About | Roy Spencer, PhD.

Vs the real world the climate models this whole panic is entirely based on are basically sh*t by whatever real world measure you choose to judge them by. Nuff said :cool:
 
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CanadaJohn said:
If I have to move, I'll go where my retirement dollars will last and stretch the farthest. BC isn't likely to be that place, since its cost of living isn't any better than here and I'd hate being 3 hours behind everything good that happens here in the east.
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Three hours behind is an asset, we know what the news is before it's broadcast.

I hear you and any region worth retiring to has been thought of, it is more expensive to live in the Okanogan than here.

Newfoundland, lowest cost of living, lowest taxes, lowest crime rate, nicest Canadians
 
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SlevinKelevra said:
I've only been here a short while, but threads like this make me even more skeptical about our future as a nation, or species.
Complete, shocking, and inexcusable scientific and mathetical illiteracy abounds. If this forum's members represent a cross-section of society at large, we are truly fubar'd.
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If there was actually a THREAT to our future as a nation, or species, then all forums members here would be in a agreement.
 
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Fenton said:
If there was actually a THREAT to our future as a nation, or species, then all forums members here would be in a agreement.
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Some people just like being scared and having some authority take them by the hand and lead them to what they want to be the true path of righteousness. Cossetted middle class Western lifestyles are too safe for them and they need a threat. Eco panics come and go and this current one has almost run its course. Hundreds of billions being squandered in the process
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Me? Cynical? I thought I was just being a realist.
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And you believe that the two are mutually exclusive?
 
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flogger said:
Facts always work better than speculation don't you think ? :)

Panic sells and the people currently earning their coin peddling this AGW BS know it.
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how does posting the time of singular local records indicate anything about the trend in long term global averages?
 
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flogger said:
Some people just like being scared and having some authority take them by the hand and lead them to what they want to be the true path of righteousness. Cossetted middle class Western lifestyles are too safe for them and they need a threat. Eco panics come and go and this current one has almost run its course. Hundreds of billions being squandered in the process
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and some people actually have studied math and science beyond middle school.
 
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Jeez, another conservative GLOBAL WARMING IS WRONG EVEN IF IT ISN'T thread.

Look, I don't know for sure one way or another. But running around screaming that there is no way there is global warming sounds awfully silly.

When cons start saying 'there is evidence that global warming is possible but potentially not as bad as feared' - then I might pay attention.
But this foaming at the mouth, global warming is a lie nonsense is just silly.

An idiot can see that there is global warming to some extent...now is that extent serious or relatively trivial? That is where the discussion should begin.
Not with complete denial.

And please leave the partisan crap out of it - again, goes to credibility.


Btw - I am neither lib nor con.
 
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DA60 said:
Jeez, another conservative GLOBAL WARMING IS WRONG EVEN IF IT ISN'T thread.

Look, I don't know for sure one way or another. But running around screaming that there is no way there is global warming sounds awfully silly.

When cons start saying 'there is evidence that global warming is possible but potentially not as bad as feared' - then I might pay attention.
But this foaming at the mouth, global warming is a lie nonsense is just silly.

An idiot can see that there is global warming to some extent...now is that extent serious or relatively trivial? That is where the discussion should begin.
Not with complete denial.

And please leave the partisan crap out of it - again, goes to credibility.


Btw - I am neither lib nor con.
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Perhaps you could start with avoiding the term "cons" when demanding people avoid the partisan crap. Goes to credibility. Take the time to type it out, or use a different reference. It's pretty well established what is attempting to be implied by the using the word.
 
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