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Petraeus sentenced: 2 years probation; $100K fine

Montecresto said:
Scooter Libby was wrist slapped too! I suppose it didn't bother you that time though.
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What did Scooter Libby do?? As we all know it was Armitage that outed the CIA whore - - not Scooter and all Scooter did was give the wrong answer to the FBI who already knew the right answer. The FBI knew at the vey beginning that the State Department knew who mentioned Val and they knew that she was not covert so it was not a crime.

Ockham said:
Hmm... does it bother you the current WH leaked information to the press about the for a favorable film and was never held accountable, and also leaked info about the Bin Laden raid, yet hypocritically doesn't bother to bring the heavy hand of justice against anyone for those things? I find it amusing a partisan would complain about Libby given there were leaks by the WH itself. I guess it's only against the law some of the time but not when Obama's WH does it.
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Disclosing the "TOP Secret" information about the Bin Laden assassination was treason in that some of that information gave aid to our enemies.

0bama and Kerry have given aid to Iran by paying them to pretend to be slowing their drive to get a nuclear weapon.

0bama, Kerry, Holder, Hillary and many of the dems are denying that the terrorists that have sworn to destroy us are crossing our southern border with the intent to kill innocent Americans and we saw in Boston that they like to kill the most innocent - women and children.
 
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Iron River said:
General officers don't leave the military but retire and go inactive. He is still bound to his oath and has all the same benefits of active duty that he had before he retired.

That said, one of the benefits of high rank is sex with underlings and making decisions about who can look at classified material. The classified material in question was not all that dangerous to our national security but 0bama hated the powerful white guy with a lot of public support so he knocked him down.
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If that were true, it would seem he would have been court martialed rather than tried in civilian court. It also would prevent the retired officers we see in the news from criticizing the military and it's civilian leaders. So I question your assertion
 
Montecresto said:
Scooter Libby was wrist slapped too! I suppose it didn't bother you that time though.
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Wrist slapped? Libby was sentenced to 2 1/2 years in prison, more than twice the fine that Patraeus was given plus 400 hours of community service upon release.
 
Iron River said:
What did Scooter Libby do?? As we all know it was Armitage that outed the CIA whore - - not Scooter and all Scooter did was give the wrong answer to the FBI who already knew the right answer. The FBI knew at the vey beginning that the State Department knew who mentioned Val and they knew that she was not covert so it was not a crime.

Disclosing the "TOP Secret" information about the Bin Laden assassination was treason in that some of that information gave aid to our enemies.

0bama and Kerry have given aid to Iran by paying them to pretend to be slowing their drive to get a nuclear weapon.

0bama, Kerry, Holder, Hillary and many of the dems are denying that the terrorists that have sworn to destroy us are crossing our southern border with the intent to kill innocent Americans and we saw in Boston that they like to kill the most innocent - women and children.
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Why do you refer to Valerie Plame as a "whore" what's your ****ing problem dude???? Here, I'll educate you on Libby's convictions.

The jury rendered its verdict on March 6, 2007.[88] It convicted Libby on four of the five counts against him: two counts of perjury, one count of obstruction of justice in a grand jury investigation, and one of the two counts of making false statements to federal investigators.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scooter_Libby
 
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Blemonds said:
Wrist slapped? Libby was sentenced to 2 1/2 years in prison, more than twice the fine that Patraeus was given plus 400 hours of community service upon release.
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Yes, and of course a corrupt president commuted his sentence. Very much a wrist slap. And we'll never know how many people around the world lost their lives as a result of the outing of CIA agent Plame that Libby sought to cover up.
 
Montecresto said:
Yes, and of course a corrupt president commuted his sentence. Very much a wrist slap. And we'll never know how many people around the world lost their lives as a result of the outing of CIA agent Plame that Libby sought to cover up.
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Libby had nothing to do with outing Plame, and the person who did so was never charged. So Libby's sentence was far more than a wrist slap and very likely unjust
 
Blemonds said:
Libby had nothing to do with outing Plame, and the person who did so was never charged. So Libby's sentence was far more than a wrist slap and very likely unjust
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Libby had much to do with the attempted cover up, was charged and duly convicted of it, but that pos decider took him off the hook, so in the end he was wrist slapped like betraus.
 
Montecresto said:
Why would you say that to me?
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You stated it didn't bother someone else, so I'm now asking (not stating) if it bothers you.

Montecresto said:
It bothers me very much that this WH has leaked things.
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You mean purposefully leaked things with no legal repercussions yet deems it necessary to hypocritically go after Petraeus for letting his willy cloud his judgement.

Montecresto said:
It also bothers me that Obama is killing US citizens with his extra judicial drone program, and that he smuggled weapons pilfered from Gaddafi's army out of the Benghazi annex to militants in Syria, and that he interfered with internal issues in Kiev, and that he hasn't closed Gitmo, and that his NSA is Bush's on steroids, etc., etc.. I've pointed out problems with Obama consistently, why call me a partisan. Partisans don't point out wrong doing in both parties, people who do that are rare.
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Good to know.
 
Ockham said:
You stated it didn't bother someone else, so I'm now asking (not stating) if it bothers you.

You mean purposefully leaked things with no legal repercussions yet deems it necessary to hypocritically go after Petraeus for letting his willy cloud his judgement.

Good to know.
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Yes, of course it bothers me, and I've been watching it in both parties all my life. The problem with true partisans such as yourself, is that it's only observed in the opposing party. And so it's partisans that ensure perpetuation of the dual standards we see in both parties. And if it's good to know that I'm not a partisan, then stop calling me one.
 
Montecresto said:
Libby had much to do with the attempted cover up, was charged and duly convicted of it, but that pos decider took him off the hook, so in the end he was wrist slapped like betraus.
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There was nothing to cover up. The name of the person who leaked Plame's name was known before Libby was ever interviewed. The leak itself wasn't even a crime, so Libby was convicted of allegedly covering up something that wasn't illegal. So no, he didn't get a slap on the wrist
 
Blemonds said:
There was nothing to cover up. The name of the person who leaked Plame's name was known before Libby was ever interviewed. The leak itself wasn't even a crime, so Libby was convicted of allegedly covering up something that wasn't illegal. So no, he didn't get a slap on the wrist
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It's kind of a republican thing.

Libby is the highest-ranking White House official convicted in a government scandal since John Poindexter, the national security adviser to President Ronald Reagan in the Iran–Contra affair.[13]
 
Montecresto said:
It's kind of a republican thing.

Libby is the highest-ranking White House official convicted in a government scandal since John Poindexter, the national security adviser to President Ronald Reagan in the Iran–Contra affair.[13]
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And hardly received a slap on the wrist
 
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Redress said:
I did not say Snowden did it for financial gain, only that he was paid. Nor did I call him a traitor. Why the insistence on putting words in my mouth?
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Okay, sorry for that. I jumped to a wrong conclusion. Please accept my apologies.

I think Snowden's a bit of a hero for free speech and transparency. I suspect those are two things that are a bit out of fashion these days.
 
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Andalublue said:
Okay, sorry for that. I jumped to a wrong conclusion. Please accept my apologies.

I think Snowden's a bit of a hero for free speech and transparency. I suspect those are two things that are a bit out of fashion these days.
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No worries.

Free speech does not include the right to release classified documents. Transparency and classified programs is kinda problematic. While I agree that better oversight(judicial branch oversight) is needed, allowing people to on their own judgement decide what the public should know strikes me as a poor solution.
 
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Redress said:
No worries.

Free speech does not include the right to release classified documents. Transparency and classified programs is kinda problematic. While I agree that better oversight(judicial branch oversight) is needed, allowing people to on their own judgement decide what the public should know strikes me as a poor solution.
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In the absence of that better oversight, what's the alternative to people using their own judgement? Silence? Letting the government get away with flouting the law, the constitution?
 
Montecresto said:
Yes, of course it bothers me, and I've been watching it in both parties all my life. The problem with true partisans such as yourself, is that it's only observed in the opposing party. And so it's partisans that ensure perpetuation of the dual standards we see in both parties. And if it's good to know that I'm not a partisan, then stop calling me one.
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First - it's surprising to me it bothers you. Second I clearly didn't call you anything. I asked a question. You really think you're not partisan ... for reals?
 
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polgara said:
Most do not agree with you, as they feel he may have been betrayed by someone he trusted, but you are entitled to your opinion. PR only goes so far - in the military you've got to prove yourself, since that life is not a game to be played, as the rows of crosses in cemeteries around the world have shown us - and politics unfortunately does not require the same dedication to honor, as we have also seen, IMO.
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Of course not many agree with me. He was betrayed by whom? He's the one who had an affair with a women while married, he's the one that handed over classified material to that women. In the military committing adultery is a CRIME when done by an officer.

In the Military you don't have prove yourself at officer level post Vietnam. You can glad hand your way to the top when you are an officer. You "impress" by showing off your troops, having the troops do parades and looking spiffy for parades.. then never ever say "no" to the guy above you. That's the road Petraeus took. He never commanded a unit in combat until 2003. He spent most of his career as generals’ aide. So reality is Petraeus didn't have ANY combat experience until 2003 and by that point he was just a glorified desk jockey. He avoid combat deployment early in his career. He missed Grenada, Panama, and First Gulf War because he would end up choosing an aide position (glad hand to it). So again, no you don't have to prove anything as Petraeus avoided commanding troops for most of his career and never saw combat until he was a general.

So be impressed that with if you want. But understand US military isn't some special place where you have to prove yourself. It's about who you know and Petraeus was very good at that..
 
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Blemonds said:
If that were true, it would seem he would have been court martialed rather than tried in civilian court. It also would prevent the retired officers we see in the news from criticizing the military and it's civilian leaders. So I question your assertion
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Question it all you want.. it's the law. General William “Kip” Ward rank was lowered after he retired due to his illegal activities.. He was a 4 star and busted down to a 3 star. In 1999 Major General David Hale was recalled and demoted to Col for adultery.
 
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TextDriversKill said:
Yeah right. Generals giving away classified info is no big deal!!!
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We warned you. We knew "Petraeus would betray us" and Bush wouldn't listen.
 
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austrianecon said:
Question it all you want.. it's the law. General William “Kip” Ward rank was lowered after he retired due to his illegal activities.. He was a 4 star and busted down to a 3 star. In 1999 Major General David Hale was recalled and demoted to Col for adultery.
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That was for adultery committed prior to retirement. And the investigation was ongoing at the time of his retirement
 
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What an idiot.

Jeez guys - if you are that famous, getting laid to a beautiful woman should be child's play. You can't have just any woman, but go a party, don't act like an idiot and make sure everyone knows who you are and you will have all the lovely notches in your bedpost you can want. They may not be too bright - but they will be lovely to look at.

It's like with Clinton and Lewinsky. Jeez man you're the Prez - just do like Bush Sr. did; hire a babe as your mistress, give her a title that allows her to hang around you a lot and pay her enough to keep her mouth shut.

Show me a guy that thinks with his penis and I will show you a guy that ends up with a load of trouble.
 
Ockham said:
First - it's surprising to me it bothers you. Second I clearly didn't call you anything. I asked a question. You really think you're not partisan ... for reals?
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I'm not surprised that you're surprised, you never actually pay attention to what I say. Even though I never miss an opportunity to criticize the Obama administration when engaged in wrong doing. And you did indeed call me a partisan, as you just now did again in this post. I'd like to see you actually criticize the Republican Party.
 
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