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Petraeus sentenced: 2 years probation; $100K fine

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Iron River said:
Tells why and then tells us why the case should have been handled as a felony.

How was Snowden's life destroyed for giving thousands of pages to Rusia? He is living free in Russia with a couple of young Russian chicks.

Why do you hate Petraeus? He fell in love?

So yoiu just hate Republicans. Or are you ready to condemn the Clintons, 0bama and Kerry for treason??

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1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort

0bama, Kerry and both Clintons have give aid and comfort to our enemies.
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Maybe the Republican controlled House and Senate shoudl have an investigation into Hillary Clinton's time while she was Secretary Of State?

Why did you ignore the part where I said Snowden should be tried and convicted of the same charges as Patreaus and given the same sentence? Are you so blindingly partisan that even when someone is calling for equal treatment you still whine about bias?
 
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reinoe said:
Wasn't Snowden's life destroyed when he released classified information? Yes General Betray-us isn't being held to the same standard at all.

I would like this general to have his life ruined and him having to flee the country as well or I would like to see Snowden charged and convincted in absentia with similar punishments.

I would also like to see John McCain charged and convicted because he went to Syria and met with members of Al-Qaeda and ISIS and gave them classified information.
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There's a significant difference between what Snowden did, and what General Petraeus did.

Snowden illegally gathered up and smuggled out a huge amount of classified materials, and pretty much put them up for the highest bidder. Russia, wanting nothing more than to stick a thumb into Obama's and Hillary's eye with their foolish 'reset' idea was more than glad to pony up their side of the bargain, after which some (all?) was released to the public, significantly weakening the US' position internationally.

General Petraeus ill-advisedly shared some classified documents with his lover / biographer, which I don't think ever made it to the public (yes? no?).

So the amount of classified materials, the scope of who got to see them, as well as the impact on the US are all very much significantly different, which equates to different laws being applicable to their different situations. Yes?
 
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TextDriversKill said:
That's the official story anyway. I suspect it was much worse than that. More likely he SOLD classified info to our enemies. Whenever a govt official admits wrongdoing, you can be sure it's just the tip of the iceberg.
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I'm going to need something to back that up to even consider the idea.
 
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OrphanSlug said:
True! Ja, he did spill the beans with his mistress of all people. What an idiot, threw away a fantastic career over this foolishness.
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That's not the only thing he spilled on inside of at with his mistress!

Sorry, took a few tries to get the right preposition in there.
 
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fmw said:
"Traitor General Petraeus gets off with misdemeanor and probation. No jail or felony"

The crime with which he was charged is a misdemeanor. How would you suggest that he "got off" with anything? Been reading too many blogs?
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Past case law where others for less were sentenced to long jail terms.

Obama protects generals in leak probes while low-level employees go to jail - Washington Times
 
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Yes, you've been reading too many blogs. The fact is the crimes with which the general was charged were misdemeanors. It is simply the way it is. You don't have to agree with it. You don't even need to understand it.
 
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TextDriversKill said:
Another criminal gets a wrist slap so obama isn't embarrassed even further. Same thing will be done with berghdal.
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Yes, because Obama invented the plea deal....
 
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reinoe said:
Wasn't Snowden's life destroyed when he released classified information? Yes General Betray-us isn't being held to the same standard at all.

I would like this general to have his life ruined and him having to flee the country as well or I would like to see Snowden charged and convincted in absentia with similar punishments.

I would also like to see John McCain charged and convicted because he went to Syria and met with members of Al-Qaeda and ISIS and gave them classified information.
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Well, his life was "destroyed" because in part he ran instead of facing the music. Furthermore, he sold information to other nations, some Petraeus did not do. The differences are quite stark. But mostly, you cannot complain that some one struck a deal and the other didn't, when the other has made no effort to strike such a deal and instead ran to another country.

I am not going to defend what Petraeus did, he ****ed up, and royally and inexcusably. However, considering a life of service, his cooperation since, and any number of other factors, a plea deal is not unreasonable. His career is over, he has been publicly shamed. That is quite a fall for him. You could almost suggest his life was ruined...
 
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TextDriversKill said:
I don't know if that's true or false but so what anyway? The "everybody does it" excuse is crap. If ted cruz did something like this, liberals would scream for his scalp and say no excuse is acceptable.
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Did Ted Cruz serve his country in the military for 37 ****ing years? With distinction? You know, that counts for something. And even then, it depends alot on the exact circumstances. Under circumstances similar to Petraeus, I doubt I would be dismayed in the least if Cruz got what Petraeus got.
 
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I'm surprised he was punished so severely...I would have figured he would have simply been told to wander off into the sunset.
 
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TextDriversKill said:
You don't understand how the law works. This could have easily been handled as a felony but the prosecutor said no. Why?
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I think you are the one that is confused regarding the legal system.

1. No one was harmed by the leak.

2. It was a plea deal. Prosecutors would rather accept a plea deal in most cases than take a case to court.

Nothing unusual here.
 
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Redress said:
Well, his life was "destroyed" because in part he ran instead of facing the music. Furthermore, he sold information to other nations, some Petraeus did not do. The differences are quite stark. But mostly, you cannot complain that some one struck a deal and the other didn't, when the other has made no effort to strike such a deal and instead ran to another country.

I am not going to defend what Petraeus did, he ****ed up, and royally and inexcusably. However, considering a life of service, his cooperation since, and any number of other factors, a plea deal is not unreasonable. His career is over, he has been publicly shamed. That is quite a fall for him. You could almost suggest his life was ruined...
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Snowden's charges preclude him from defending himself in public court. Snowden felt that he was a whistleblower who would get charged because he came forward. Given the government's treatment of whistleblowers he's not entirely incorrect.

Snowden sold information? That's news to me. I might have missed that part. Can you provide a link?
 
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He's an older gentleman, leaks are bound to happen at his age, especially with a younger woman around.
 
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Redress said:
Well, his life was "destroyed" because in part he ran instead of facing the music. Furthermore, he sold information to other nations, some Petraeus did not do. The differences are quite stark. But mostly, you cannot complain that some one struck a deal and the other didn't, when the other has made no effort to strike such a deal and instead ran to another country.

I am not going to defend what Petraeus did, he ****ed up, and royally and inexcusably. However, considering a life of service, his cooperation since, and any number of other factors, a plea deal is not unreasonable. His career is over, he has been publicly shamed. That is quite a fall for him. You could almost suggest his life was ruined...
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Pretty much what I was going to say... except I would have added that I, too, think his sentence was extraordinarily lenient, probably because the info went no further, caused no security risks, and wasn't an intentional attempt to release classified info outside of that room. Still, a man with his history of serving the country in some of the most sensitive, high-security positions on the planet deserves to lose his career. What he did was that dumb, and I don't care how drunk he may have been at the time.

Still, I feel pity for the guy. Sucks to be him.
 
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reinoe said:
Snowden's charges preclude him from defending himself in public court. Snowden felt that he was a whistleblower who would get charged because he came forward. Given the government's treatment of whistleblowers he's not entirely incorrect.

Snowden sold information? That's news to me. I might have missed that part. Can you provide a link?
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So Snowden claims he cannot get a fair trial, so he must be right? Despite all evidence to the contrary?

Snowden is not a whistleblower. We have specific procedures to follow to be declared a whistleblower. Criminal would probably be the best adjective to describe him.

Did you not know he gets money from people for having disclosed the information he did? How do you think he is able to afford the security guards and so on. A simple google search will show you any number of places you can give money to him from.
 
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reinoe said:
Wasn't Snowden's life destroyed when he released classified information? Yes General Betray-us isn't being held to the same standard at all.

I would like this general to have his life ruined and him having to flee the country as well or I would like to see Snowden charged and convincted in absentia with similar punishments.

I would also like to see John McCain charged and convicted because he went to Syria and met with members of Al-Qaeda and ISIS and gave them classified information.
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I remember a certain soldier who is currently in prison for doing the same thing. Manning, Trannying, something like that.
 
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Gill said:
Yep, since it is a misdemeanor, it is no big deal.
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I know it disappoints you, but every crime doesn't warrant the death penalty.
 
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reinoe said:
Snowden's charges preclude him from defending himself in public court. Snowden felt that he was a whistleblower who would get charged because he came forward. Given the government's treatment of whistleblowers he's not entirely incorrect.

Snowden sold information? That's news to me. I might have missed that part. Can you provide a link?
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Other than the massive leak of confidential information that Snowden committed, as a whistleblower, there was a proper 'chain of command' or escalation that he should have followed, but didn't, instead opted for his 15 minutes of glory and selling out to this highest bidder. Something far more frowned upon than being a whistleblower, so he really did compound his error in judgement, from my view.
 
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eohrnberger said:
There's a significant difference between what Snowden did, and what General Petraeus did.

Snowden illegally gathered up and smuggled out a huge amount of classified materials, and pretty much put them up for the highest bidder. Russia, wanting nothing more than to stick a thumb into Obama's and Hillary's eye with their foolish 'reset' idea was more than glad to pony up their side of the bargain, after which some (all?) was released to the public, significantly weakening the US' position internationally.

General Petraeus ill-advisedly shared some classified documents with his lover / biographer, which I don't think ever made it to the public (yes? no?).

So the amount of classified materials, the scope of who got to see them, as well as the impact on the US are all very much significantly different, which equates to different laws being applicable to their different situations. Yes?
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Erik, how did anyone know that he told his biographer/mistress anything? I'm certain he didn't march into some military base and volunteer the information. Did she tell people? I haven't kept up with this, but there's things here that don't make sense. She must be married to a very understanding man!
 
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Redress said:
So Snowden claims he cannot get a fair trial, so he must be right? Despite all evidence to the contrary?

Snowden is not a whistleblower. We have specific procedures to follow to be declared a whistleblower. Criminal would probably be the best adjective to describe him.

Did you not know he gets money from people for having disclosed the information he did? How do you think he is able to afford the security guards and so on. A simple google search will show you any number of places you can give money to him from.
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Dam! Beat me to it. :)
 
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polgara said:
Erik, how did anyone know that he told his biographer/mistress anything? I'm certain he didn't march into some military base and volunteer the information. Did she tell people? I haven't kept up with this, but there's things here that don't make sense. She must be married to a very understanding man!
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I think that this came out in the ensuing investigation as to where the information came from, who had access to it, and where and to whom it was leaked to.

What would have been worse, is if the mistress sold the information, and that may have indeed happened to kick off the entire counter espionage investigation.
 
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Redress said:
So Snowden claims he cannot get a fair trial, so he must be right? Despite all evidence to the contrary?

Snowden is not a whistleblower. We have specific procedures to follow to be declared a whistleblower. Criminal would probably be the best adjective to describe him.

Did you not know he gets money from people for having disclosed the information he did? How do you think he is able to afford the security guards and so on. A simple google search will show you any number of places you can give money to him from.
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Snowden was a contractor and not an actual government agent. Therefore some of the whistleblower protections would not apply to him.

And people donating money to him is not the same as him selling information. What Snowden did was give the information to various British journalists.
 
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joG said:
Pity really, because he was not a bad soldier. But they might have hit him harder, really. On the other hand, was what he did worse than $100K, probation and the embarrassment?
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Umm, yes. If Bradley Manning gets 35 years for leaking classified material. Stephen Jin-Woo Kim got a felony conviction for his leaking to Fox News. Jeffrey Sterling will get around 20-40 years for leaking to NYT the plan to hack Iran's nuclear program. John C. Kiriakou got 30 months for leaking a name of an operative.

Now this is what Petraeus leaked.. notebooks that contained his daily schedule and classified and unclassified notes he took during official meetings, conferences and briefings during his time in Afghanistan. When asked about it.. he lied about it.

Only reason Petraeus was able to plea down unlike those I mention above is.. Petraeus has political allies.
 
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eohrnberger said:
I think that this came out in the ensuing investigation as to where the information came from, who had access to it, and where and to whom it was leaked to.

What would have been worse, is if the mistress sold the information, and that may have indeed happened to kick off the entire counter espionage investigation.
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You know, prior to this, he was one of the most admired men in this country, not only because of his outstanding military career, but because of who he was and what he stood for, and I don't think public opinion has changed in that regard. I'd still trust him totally to do the right thing for our country over a lot of others that I can think of, and there are many who feel the same, judging from the comments I heard when the story broke yesterday. "Damn shame to have his life ruined" was the consensus, from men and women alike.....
 
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Gill said:
Yep, since it is a misdemeanor, it is no big deal.
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Providing classified information to an unauthorized person as he did is a felony. But the prosecutors let him cop a plea for a lesser charge, a misdemeanor
 
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