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University of Maryland cancels ‘American Sniper’ after Muslim students complain

Certainly they have a right to ban a movie, book, or speech but is that really the point?

The Muslim Students Association said “We sincerely appreciate your commitment to exercising your freedom of speech to create an inclusive, just and safe campus community”, suggesting it would be 'unsafe' if the movie were shown. Of course the movie was shown everywhere around the US and the millions who saw it were safe. The idea that it would it would be otherwise at the University of Maryland can only be viewed as a threat.

You're reading too much into this. Don't be like those goofy Muslims.

University of Maryland cancels

Flip it around. Most likely they weren't talking about any possible safety concerns because of them (muslims) threatening the campus but instead referring to their (muslims) own safety on campus if the film emboldens hidden hatred or bigotry from others looking for that spark to justify conflict.
 
It seems you believe threats to only come in the form of a letter in the mail with the title "I know where you live".
Negative backlash is something to feel threatened by. They were threatened by the Muslim students' fury over the film and they were intimidated by this so to cancel the film. A university canceling a film because of protests from a group of people is always a bad sign and never a "perfect example of freedom".

If you feel threatened by someone expressing their opinion then you are the same as people promoting political correctness, which is hilarious.
 
If you feel threatened by someone expressing their opinion then you are the same as people promoting political correctness, which is hilarious.

What's hilarious is you not realizing that your own reference to a "do it or else" (The 'negative backlash' statement) atmosphere completely bases my point. Went right over your head it did.
 
Flip it around. Most likely they weren't talking about any possible safety concerns because of them (muslims) threatening the campus but instead referring to their (muslims) own safety on campus if the film emboldens hidden hatred or bigotry from others looking for that spark to justify conflict.
Does the University of Maryland, or any other University in the United States, or anywhere in the Democracies, have a history of rioting, damaging property, assault, or even murder, because of a film, cartoon, book, or anything else of that nature? Is this what you have been taught?

Or if students are taught to be anti-Muslim in the University of Maryland and could murder Muslims as a consequence of watching the film, perhaps the entire University should be shut down now. These people would be too stupid to enter the general population.
 
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This is nothing but jihad by less violent means. It is sometimes called dawa, and Muslim Brotherhood front groups like the Muslim Students Association engage in it all the time. They can count on leftists, who don't like America any better than they do, to serve as their fifth column.
 
The quote you posted doesn't seem to appear in the article you posted.
So what does that mean to you? That the head of the MSA in Illinois never said it?

It says clearly that the quote appeared on his Facebook page or, alternatively, you could simply Google the statement and discover for yourself what was said, where, and when. You seem typical of what it means to be a leftist in America, or anywhere, today.
 
If you feel threatened by someone expressing their opinion then you are the same as people promoting political correctness, which is hilarious.
Surely you're not unfamiliar with the killings at Charlie Hebdo, the fatwa on Salman Rushdie, or the international riots, and killings, over a cartoon Muslims felt to be blasphemous. The potential of more Muslims "expressing their opinion" in this manner is what has Universities, and the media, cowering in fear.
 
All muslims are pigs.
 
This is nothing but jihad by less violent means. It is sometimes called dawa, and Muslim Brotherhood front groups like the Muslim Students Association engage in it all the time. They can count on leftists, who don't like America any better than they do, to serve as their fifth column.
Members of this 'fifth column' are also called 'Dhimmis', and often also referred to as 'Leftists'. The terms are interchangeable.
 
All muslims are pigs.
Not all. But it does take a certain type of brain to be a member of this religion, just as it does to be a member of any organization which abuses women, little girls, murders Gays, kills young women and children for dress codes, teaches hatreds, or murders anyone for leaving the group.
 
I am very old-fashioned. I still believe the role of universities is to provide a good education for students and a stimulating environment for scientific research and that the movie-theatre business is somehow unrelated to universities.
 
Christians currently aren't the ones going into newspaper HQs and gunning down editors over cartoons. In fact, show me when they have ever done such things over anything you listed (in other words, no abortion clinic references).
Again: Oh, how quickly we forget.

There are numerous instances of Christians engaging in terrorism. Even if we ignore anything linked to abortion (which we shouldn't, but whatever) we have, to name but a few:
• Sikh temple massacre, 8/5/12
• Unitarian Church massacre, 7/27/08
• Olympic Park bombing, 7/27/96
• Murder of Alan Berg, 6/18/94
• McVeigh bombing, 4/19/95
• Breivik's terrorist attack, 7/23/11


We should also remember that protesting a movie is not, in any way shape or form, the equivalent of a mass shooting for political purposes. Nor do these protesting individuals have any connection whatsoever to Muslim terrorists in Europe, any more than you have a connection to Timothy McVeigh.
 
Can you spot any other difference? "The Last Temptation of Christ" was shown. American Sniper, protested only in a letter, was not shown.
lol

If the conservatives had gotten their way, Last Temptation would never have been released, let alone shown on any movie theaters. Are you saying it's acceptable for conservative Christians to protest against a movie, as long as their protest is ineffectual?

What you fail to recognize is that conservatives spent decades protesting against movies, TV shows, art exhibits and other art forms that offended them. And they still do it! They protested against The DaVinci Code, against Kathy Griffin (for a comment I won't repeat here), one church even protested against Frozen for its alleged pro-gay content.

While it may not be hypocritical of specific individuals in this thread (as I don't know if any of them protested against any movies), it is quite clear that conservative Christians have frequently used this exact same tactic in the ongoing Culture Wars. You should at least be aware of that history before slamming this particular protest.
 
For some reason, Muslims have become a protected class by this administration here in America.
Uh, hello? Religion has been a protected class for decades. There is no change in how those protections apply to Muslims over the years, though the amount and/or degree of discrimination has surely increased.

Further, the Obama administration has nothing to do with the voluntary decisions by a student organization in Maryland.


Over the years, I have seen many Muslim women shopping in the same stores I do, and they didn't ask for preferential treatment of any kind back then....
I've never seen any Muslim shoppers demand any preferential treatment.


As has been pointed out, if you don't want to see a particular movie or any other presentation that you don't agree with, stay home or do something else you might enjoy.
What I find amusing is that liberals were saying that to conservatives for a few decades, when those conservatives were protesting against art exhibits, and movies, and books, and TV shows, and what have you. I guess the message finally sank in. :D
 
....the tradition has been to read a book, listen to a speaker or watch a movie - or not. But now that the ubersensitive Muslims have arrived in the first world the feeling among many is that everyone must adapt to their feelings....
Yet again, this is wildly inaccurate.

The "tradition" is to try to prevent others from ever coming into contact with the offensive or disruptive works. Texts like Ulysses were banned in the US for decades, until the public decided to take the 1st Amendment seriously.

Christians and conservatives spent years and years protesting against works of art and culture without seeing it first. Leftists have also protested certain works, such as American Psycho.

There's really nothing new here.
 
lolIf the conservatives had gotten their way, Last Temptation would never have been released, let alone shown on any movie theaters.
But it was shown in movie theaters and everything was peaceful.
Are you saying it's acceptable for conservative Christians to protest against a movie, as long as their protest is ineffectual?
You can read what I'm saying and it's all quite clear.
What you fail to recognize is that conservatives spent decades protesting against movies, TV shows, art exhibits and other art forms that offended them. And they still do it! They protested against The DaVinci Code, against Kathy Griffin (for a comment I won't repeat here), one church even protested against Frozen for its alleged pro-gay content.
And where is the problem with any of this?

While it may not be hypocritical of specific individuals in this thread (as I don't know if any of them protested against any movies), it is quite clear that conservative Christians have frequently used this exact same tactic in the ongoing Culture Wars. You should at least be aware of that history before slamming this particular protest.
Christians have a history of peaceful protests while the history of Islamic protests is quite different. Do you really not know this? Muslim Protests Spread Around the Globe - The Atlantic
 
Yet again, this is wildly inaccurate. The "tradition" is to try to prevent others from ever coming into contact with the offensive or disruptive works. Texts like Ulysses were banned in the US for decades, until the public decided to take the 1st Amendment seriously.
That's quite right, and it was because of the sexual content. The same is true of other books as well.
Christians and conservatives spent years and years protesting against works of art and culture without seeing it first. Leftists have also protested certain works, such as American Psycho
Right
There's really nothing new here.
That's right also. Protests are not new. However the form these Muslim protests take, through violence and physical intimidation, is quite new.
 
This sure has become a different world than the one I remember from not too many years ago....
While you are under no obligation to reveal your age, a comment like this suggests that you're a young whippersnapper.

There was substantially more youth rebellion in the late 1960s and early 70s than anything we see today. Young people routinely attacked a variety of authority figures, from military to police to university administrations to politicians. And not just verbal attacks or protests -- I'm talking literal attacks, ranging from riots (Chicago '68) to terrorist attacks (Weather Underground) to gun battles with the police (Black Panthers etc)

"Justice for all" used to mean "justice for white people, and lynchings for blacks." Women were routinely marginalized, ignored, and thwarted from most professional careers, and were expected to be barefoot and in the kitchen.


politically correct speech is now expected, but word meanings are changed from time to time, so you're never sure
lol

Racism, sexism, and other forms of discrimination are no longer tolerated. Figuring out what not to say isn't really that difficult, unless you categorically refuse to watch Key & Peele and/or Broad City. The difference is that in the past, those groups were basically thwarted from speaking at all, let alone expressing political views.

And again: Conservatives spent decades trying to shut down all sorts of speech (and of course, behaviors) merely because it offended their sensibilities. The difference is that now, their tactics aren't very effective. And if you can't use a tactic anymore, why should you allow your political rivals to use it?


judges in lower courts over-rule a majority vote by the people if they don't agree with them
Courts have overturned unconstitutional laws for decades; nothing new there.

And no, legislators are not empowered to take away the rights of citizens, even if a majority of citizens demand it. That's a basic concept of American jurisprudence.


our flag and way of life that many died for is ridiculed and demeaned....
Not sure how to break this to you, but desecrating the flag is a form of protected speech. In a thread where you're complaining about people shutting down speech, that seems like an odd thing to object to.

Oh, and people have desecrated the flag as a form of protest for decades. Pretty routine in the 60s and even the 90s. Nothin' new there too.


riots and destruction of property have become commonplace as a means of expressing unhappiness with the system....
Uh, no. No, they haven't. There were a few very small riots in Ferguson, which is NOTHING compared to the riots throughout the 1960s, or even the LA riots in 1992.

I'd say that sports riots are far more common in the US today than political riots....
White People Rioting for No Reason -- NYMag


Either the inmates are truly running the asylum, or we're reliving the last days of earlier civilizations that were once great, but decayed from within.
Or, you have absolutely no awareness or perspective on American civil society, and believe a bunch of declinist nonsense because some of your political views got sidelined.
 
But it was shown in movie theaters and everything was peaceful.
American Sniper has a box office total of $348,306,000 -- and it's still showing in some theaters across the US, including Maryland. The protest was also perfectly peaceful, it was basically a petition of 300 students. There was absolutely no violence involved in this protest, before or after. If we apply your logic, you should have no objection to this protest, or this outcome.

Let me be clear, I'm not thrilled by this outcome. However, what I am more specifically pointing out in this thread is that it is completely incorrect to act as though leftists are the only ones who have protested a cultural exhibition, or that there is anything new or exceptional about this. It's a critical fact, easily overlooked by partisans when it suits them.


Christians have a history of peaceful protests while the history of Islamic protests is quite different....
What a total massive flaming chunk of bull****.

Christians have engaged in a huge range of violent actions in the name of enacting political change. E.g. racists frequently cited their Christian theological views when pushing for slavery and segregation. Christians often beat, and in some cases murdered, homosexuals based on their theological views. I listed a half dozen instances of Christians who used terrorist tactics.

Looking back further, throughout European history we see Christians oppressing, murdering and waging war on one another in mixtures of sectarian and political violence, just as we see with Muslims today. We see Christians invading the Middle East in the Crusades (and, in at least one instance, sacking the Eastern Orthodox city of Constantinople in the process), using methods so crude and violent that it shocked Muslims into responding. We see Christians attacking Jews and reveling in anti-semitism for centuries.

And since you missed it, there was this little thing called the Arab Spring -- a largely peaceful series of protests that changed a half dozen governments.

Claiming that "Muslims are violent and Christians are not!" based on a biased and selective reading of 5 of history? Sorry, that doesn't fly.
 
Protests are not new. However the form these Muslim protests take, through violence and physical intimidation, is quite new.
Y'know what else is not new? Total fabrications of a sequence of events to meet a pre-determined conclusion.

In this case, there was no violence or intimidation. There was no threat of violence or intimidation. There was no HINT of violence or intimidation. About 300 students signed a petition claiming that American Sniper perpetuates Islamophobia (a claim I do not agree with btw).

If you live in sheer abject terror of 300 students who sign a petition asking a student organization not to show a movie, that's not the fault of the UMD's Muslim Students Association. That one's on you.
 
While you are under no obligation to reveal your age, a comment like this suggests that you're a young whippersnapper.

There was substantially more youth rebellion in the late 1960s and early 70s than anything we see today. Young people routinely attacked a variety of authority figures, from military to police to university administrations to politicians. And not just verbal attacks or protests -- I'm talking literal attacks, ranging from riots (Chicago '68) to terrorist attacks (Weather Underground) to gun battles with the police (Black Panthers etc)

"Justice for all" used to mean "justice for white people, and lynchings for blacks." Women were routinely marginalized, ignored, and thwarted from most professional careers, and were expected to be barefoot and in the kitchen.



lol

Racism, sexism, and other forms of discrimination are no longer tolerated. Figuring out what not to say isn't really that difficult, unless you categorically refuse to watch Key & Peele and/or Broad City. The difference is that in the past, those groups were basically thwarted from speaking at all, let alone expressing political views.

And again: Conservatives spent decades trying to shut down all sorts of speech (and of course, behaviors) merely because it offended their sensibilities. The difference is that now, their tactics aren't very effective. And if you can't use a tactic anymore, why should you allow your political rivals to use it?



Courts have overturned unconstitutional laws for decades; nothing new there.

And no, legislators are not empowered to take away the rights of citizens, even if a majority of citizens demand it. That's a basic concept of American jurisprudence.



Not sure how to break this to you, but desecrating the flag is a form of protected speech. In a thread where you're complaining about people shutting down speech, that seems like an odd thing to object to.

Oh, and people have desecrated the flag as a form of protest for decades. Pretty routine in the 60s and even the 90s. Nothin' new there too.



Uh, no. No, they haven't. There were a few very small riots in Ferguson, which is NOTHING compared to the riots throughout the 1960s, or even the LA riots in 1992.

I'd say that sports riots are far more common in the US today than political riots....
White People Rioting for No Reason -- NYMag



Or, you have absolutely no awareness or perspective on American civil society, and believe a bunch of declinist nonsense because some of your political views got sidelined.

Greetings, Visbeck. :2wave:

I am considered open-minded and fair in most things, and I hope to stay that way, since it makes life easier for me not to hate anyone because of political ideology. Life is too short, and there are far more important things to be concerned about. The 60s are not a period I look back on as ideal, since it started an "anything goes" mentality to achieve a goal, which we are seeing their children use today.

As far as desecrating our flag, I have both family and friends who have died for that flag and what it represents, so I disagree with you. Is there any other country in the world where it's okay to burn their flag or walk on it? That shows disrespect, which is why terrorists use that tactic. Try doing that to their flag, or anything they hold important, and see what happens! Then you can tell me I'm wrong in my thinking!
 
American Sniper has a box office total of $348,306,000 -- and it's still showing in some theaters across the US, including Maryland. The protest was also perfectly peaceful, it was basically a petition of 300 students. There was absolutely no violence involved in this protest, before or after. If we apply your logic, you should have no objection to this protest, or this outcome.
The reputation of Christians carrying out peaceful protests is well known while the history of Muslims carrying out vicious and murderous riots is also well documented. Had Christians written such a petition they would have been laughed at and the petition ignored. But we all know, or should know, what happens at Muslim protests.
Let me be clear, I'm not thrilled by this outcome. However, what I am more specifically pointing out in this thread is that it is completely incorrect to act as though leftists are the only ones who have protested a cultural exhibition, or that there is anything new or exceptional about this. It's a critical fact, easily overlooked by partisans when it suits them.
Protests by leftists do have a history of being more violent than other protesters. Only Muslims would give them any competition in that department.
Christians have engaged in a huge range of violent actions in the name of enacting political change. E.g. racists frequently cited their Christian theological views when pushing for slavery and segregation. Christians often beat, and in some cases murdered, homosexuals based on their theological views. I listed a half dozen instances of Christians who used terrorist tactics.
Are you doing an Obama here and going back to the crusades? If we are talking of contemporary protests there is genuinely nothing to fear from Christians. In fact, if you follow the news, they are being deliberately targeted and singled out for death by Muslims.
Looking back further, throughout European history we see Christians oppressing, murdering and waging war on one another in mixtures of sectarian and political violence, just as we see with Muslims today. We see Christians invading the Middle East in the Crusades (and, in at least one instance, sacking the Eastern Orthodox city of Constantinople in the process), using methods so crude and violent that it shocked Muslims into responding. We see Christians attacking Jews and reveling in anti-semitism for centuries.
Oh yes, you'll have to go back centuries to support an opinion you carry with you today, despite all the intervening changes. What we should be focusing on is what is going on in our lifetimes and what we can do about it. Blaming Christians for something which happened centuries ago and comparing it to what Muslims are doing today is absolute nonsense.
And since you missed it, there was this little thing called the Arab Spring -- a largely peaceful series of protests that changed a half dozen governments.
And where did that go?
Claiming that "Muslims are violent and Christians are not!" based on a biased and selective reading of 5 of history? Sorry, that doesn't fly.
Are you quoting me here??
 
The 60s are not a period I look back on as ideal, since it started an "anything goes" mentality to achieve a goal, which we are seeing their children use today.
My point is that there was far more upheaval in the 1960s and early 70s than anything we see today. Your declinist narrative doesn't make sense, because our society is much more stable today than it was 40-50 years ago.


As far as desecrating our flag, I have both family and friends who have died for that flag and what it represents, so I disagree with you.
Tangent begins in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1....

Disagree with what, exactly? It is a fact that flag desecration is a protected form of speech. Repeated attempts to pass an amendment that outlaws flag desecration have failed.

As to opposing flag desecration as a political protest, on what basis do you object? That some people have an emotional attachment to a piece of fabric? Does burning the flag offend you? How is that any different than a bunch of students protesting against a movie, because the movie offends them? Or someone objecting to an illustration of Muhammad?

Do you plan to outlaw the phrase "I hate America" as well? Isn't that a disrespectful phrase? Isn't that basically the same thing as burning a flag? Where do we draw the line?


Is there any other country in the world where it's okay to burn their flag or walk on it?
Yep.

Australia, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, United Kingdom.

Of course, we don't normally use other nations as a proxy for the rights of citizens. If we did, we'd have more restrictive gun laws and capital punishment would be outlawed. Anyway....


That shows disrespect, which is why terrorists use that tactic. Try doing that to their flag, or anything they hold important, and see what happens! Then you can tell me I'm wrong in my thinking!
How is that supposed to prove anything?

There are people out there who would be willing to kill me for drawing a cartoon of Muhammad, and are more emotionally attached to the prohibition on images of the Prophet than you are to the American flag. Does that mean we should outlaw any images of Muhammad?

Where you are wrong in your thinking is that you're letting an emotional attachment to a symbol override your commitment to the principles represented by that symbol. The true test of liberty is in tolerating the views of those with whom you disagree, even if they disrespect something that is crucially important to you. You ask something of the UMD's Muslim Students Association that you are unwilling to do yourself. That is fundamentally unfair, and un-American.
 
The reputation of Christians carrying out peaceful protests is well known while the history of Muslims carrying out vicious and murderous riots is also well documented....
And yet, you provide no such documentation. How convenient.


Had Christians written such a petition they would have been laughed at and the petition ignored.
Christians DO make exactly those types of protests and petitions. Heck, one Christian group is boycotting Girl Scout Cookies, because they erroneously believe there's a connection between the Girl Scouts and Planned Parenthood. I find it downright bizarre that you fail to recognize this, despite having it pointed out to you repeatedly.


But we all know, or should know, what happens at Muslim protests.
No, we don't. Go ahead, tell me. Tell me what happens when a Muslim student group at an American college doesn't get its way. Please provide concrete examples.

Again: If you live in sheer abject terror of 300 students who sign a petition asking a student organization not to show a movie, that's not the fault of the UMD's Muslim Students Association. That one's on you.


Protests by leftists do have a history of being more violent than other protesters.
lol... No, I don't think so. I certainly haven't seen any evidence to make any such claim. But thanks for yet more unproven partisan nonsense, can never get enough of that. ;)


If we are talking of contemporary protests there is genuinely nothing to fear from Christians.
Except the ones who shoot up a bunch of Sikhs, or a bunch of school kids, or blow up a federal building, or....


In fact, if you follow the news, they are being deliberately targeted and singled out for death by Muslims.
In fact, if you follow the news, you'll see that Muslims spend most of their time attacking other Muslims -- in the same way that Christians spent centuries mostly killing each other Christians, and only occasionally taking a break to slaughter Jews in their communities, or Muslims. ISIS is attacking mostly Shi'a Muslims in Syria and Iraq; the conflict in Yemen is Muslims fighting each other, with sectarian involvement; the Iraqi civil war was mostly Sunnis and Shi'a killing each other; Iran and Iraq fought a decade-long war. The list goes on. The Christian minorities in those nations are mostly caught in the crossfire.

Or, to put it another way: There are around 1 billion Muslims in the world. If they were actively trying to kill Christians, it'd be a little more obvious than a handful Copts in Egypt getting mistreated by the government.

And of course, right in the here and now we see numerous Christians bashing on Muslims, just in ways you conveniently ignore. Europe is awash in far-right and fascist groups, who blame "migrants" (read: Muslims) for all their social, economic and political woes -- sound familiar? Muslims are routinely attacked in France (usually women), mosques destroyed by arsonists -- sound familiar. Of course, the occasional mosque in the US also gets firebombed. But hey, we're Christians, we're the good guys, we don't have to pay attention to that, whatever....


Anyway, most of this is aside the point. The reality is that Muslims in the US are not in a perpetual state of violent revolt. Muslim student groups aren't attacking anyone when one of their petitions is ignored. Conservatives and Christians do, in fact, engage in exactly these kinds of protests, as does pretty much everyone else; and the failure to acknowledge this only shows the narrow and partisan nature of your views.
 
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