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Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury[W:216]

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Yes you are wrong, wrong, wrong! In two threads simultaneously. There are no quotes being ignored.
You are quoting the reporter, not what he said. Funny you do not realize that.

At no point did he say the police misquoted him, he never said that.

All you are showing everyone your lack of reading and comprehension skills.

I know, buddy. Third grade is hard. But you'll get through it! Someday...

"Saying his words have been distorted by recent reports and that he doesn't think Gray hurt himself intentionally, Allen also told a WJZ reporter, "The only reason I'm doing this is because they put my name in a bad state."
 
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Yes you are wrong, wrong, wrong! In two threads simultaneously. There are no quotes being ignored.
You are quoting the reporter, not what he said. Funny you do not realize that.

At no point did he say the police misquoted him, he never said that.

All you are showing everyone your lack of reading and comprehension skills.

I know, buddy. Third grade is hard. But you'll get through it! Someday...
"I know for a fact that he (Gray) did not hurt himself," Donta Allen, who was a fellow prisoner in the van during a portion of the meandering path of the vehicle after Gray was taken into the custody and before medical help was summoned, told CNN's Don Lemon in an interview.
And as for a report in the Washington Post that he told investigators he had heard noises indicating Gray was trying to injure himself, "untrue. Very, very, very untrue," said Allen.
"I know they're gonna try to harass me after this. But I'd rather for them to harass me than my own people to harass me for a lie they made up."
You just keep spinning your wheels and cling to untrue statements to justify your reality.

Freddie Gray 'did not hurt himself' says fellow rider - CNN.com
 
You just keep spinning your wheels and cling to untrue statements to justify your reality.

Freddie Gray 'did not hurt himself' says fellow rider - CNN.com
We were arguing based on the information we had. And based on that information I have not provided any untrue statement. To say such is a lie.


But thank you for providing newer information.


Besides already knowing what the says now is suspect because is in fear, it is obvious that he is lying.
The Commissioner already told us that he said he was thrashing around. It is unlikely that the Commissioner lied.
Funny thing though, he is still saying it sounded like he was banging his head.

And then this idiot's statement that he "knows for a fact" is laughable. He knows no such thing.
If anyone does not realize that, they are not employing reason.
 
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The only ones who need to change their stories are those who have made false claims like you have.
Except when I corrected myself acknowledging that I was wrong in stating that Freddie Gray was not running when he was arrested, I haven't changed anything.

Are you unfamiliar with the term?

No, but...

No. I am saying it is the only evidence we have in regards to how they sounded.

You were not there. I was not there. What you or I think of the actual sounds does not matter.
What matters is what he as the ear witness thought of the sounds.
And he keeps saying it sounded like he was banging his head.

This "ear witness" has changed his story since then now hasn't he? Regardless, per the timeline of events (see links below) and the police's own statements, don't you think it would be difficult if not impossible for Freddie Gray to bang his head against the wall of the van if he remained on the floor on the van throughout the entire ride...42 minutes? Furthermore, how does he injury his head/neck on a bolt located at the back of the van when the police claim they placed him in the van "head-first, on his stomach"?

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...baltimore-police-department-map-timeline.html

A timeline of Freddie Gray's arrest on April 12

No. You keep conveniently ignoring that it was a smooth ride.

It might have been for the 2nd detainee, Donta Allen, but it's questionable whether or not the first 20 minutes of Freddie Gray's were. You keep forgetting (or ignoring) that Donta Allen was picked up at least 20 minutes after Freddie Gray was arrested and 5 minutes before he suffered his neck injury. Isn't it possible that the reason Donta Allen had a smooth ride is because his part of the transit was, in fact, smooth whereas Freddie Gray's was not?

Stop with the "proof" argument. We are speaking of evidence.

:lamo You sure didn't feel that way when you asked me prove that it wasn't Freddie Gray's body thrashing about in the back of the police van. But now you want me to stop with the proof argument. :lamo

He was pretending not to be able to stand. Then he was able to and even duck into the van. That is evidence that he was faking.
You also seem to forget the reports of him wanting his inhaler, while he did not appear to have any reported breathing difficulties. That is again evidence that he was faking. It is like you do not know that is what criminals do.

But even if he were faking his injuries, Baltimore Police Department policy (even their policy from 1997) states:

Ensure medical treatment for a prisoner is obtained, when necessary, at the nearest emergency medical facility.

Now, despite the fact that on the 3rd spot at 8:59am Freddie Gray had requested medical attention AND that he was unresponsive at their 4th stop, it's very evident that the Baltimore PD were in violation of their own police department policy on handling detainees during transport. We can argue the seatbelt -vs- cuff and leg/ankle restraints (i.e., shackles) and question whether they were sufficient per police policy 'til the cows come home, but there's no debating whether or not the Baltimore PD were negligent in their failure to properly respond to Freddie Gray's medical needs at any point during transport.

As to the rest of your response which dwells on the "smooth ride" claim by Donte Allen as per his portion of the trip to the police station, see my commentary above.

We were arguing based on the information we had. And based on that information I have not provided any untrue statement. To say such is a lie.


But thank you for providing newer information.


Besides already knowing what the says now is suspect because is in fear, it is obvious that he is lying.
The Commissioner already told us that he said he was thrashing around. It is unlikely that the Commissioner lied.
Funny thing though, he is still saying it sounded like he was banging his head.

And then this idiot's statement that he "knows for a fact" is laughable. He knows no such thing.

If anyone does not realize that, they are not employing reason.

And yet you've based the bulk of your defense of the Baltimore Police's actions in this case squarely on "this idiot's statement". You do see the irony here, don't you?
 
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Except when I corrected myself acknowledging that I was wrong in stating that Freddie Gray was not running when he was arrested, I haven't changed anything.
:shock: This comment makes no sense as a reply to what you quoted.
What you quoted indicated the need to make changes to false claims. The fact that they hadn't changed, was the point.


This "ear witness" has changed his story since then now hasn't he?
Yes he has and he even stated why he has changed it.
And that reason casts what he now says in doubt, as already stated several times.


don't you think it would be difficult if not impossible for Freddie Gray to bang his head against the wall of the van if he remained on the floor
Why are you remaking my points?
That is an obvious indication that he was moving around on his own becasue he had to turn himself around to receive injury from the rear of the van.


It might have been for the 2nd detainee, Donta Allen, but it's questionable whether or not the first 20 minutes of Freddie Gray's were. You keep forgetting (or ignoring) that Donta Allen was picked up at least 20 minutes after Freddie Gray was arrested and 5 minutes before he suffered his neck injury. Isn't it possible that the reason Donta Allen had a smooth ride is because his part of the transit was, in fact, smooth whereas Freddie Gray's was not?
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No I do not ignore that.
We already know that the supposed witness, as revealed by the Commissioner, said that the other guy was thrashing around and banging his head.
Do you think he would be up with a broken neck and a crushed voice box thrashing around and banging his head?
That means he was up and about, and is an indication that the injury happened to him when the witness was on the other side during that smooth ride.


You sure didn't feel that way when you asked me prove that it wasn't Freddie Gray's body thrashing about in the back of the police van. But now you want me to stop with the proof argument.
Not even.
Asking for proof of an argument like I did, is not the same as saying a person has no proof in an argument of the evidence like you did.


But even if he were faking his injuries, Baltimore Police Department policy (even their policy from 1997) states:
Ensure medical treatment for a prisoner is obtained, when necessary, at the nearest emergency medical facility.
Which I already pointed out.

And thus far no one has been able to show any medical treatment was required prior to the arrival at their destination, which is where is was provided.
His lying about needing an inhaler when he was obviously breathing fine and screaming does not necessitate that he be given treatment.

Now, despite the fact that on the 3rd spot at 8:59am Freddie Gray had requested medical attention AND that he was unresponsive at their 4th stop, it's very evident that the Baltimore PD were in violation of their own police department policy on handling detainees during transport. We can argue the seatbelt -vs- cuff and leg/ankle restraints (i.e., shackles) and question whether they were sufficient per police policy 'til the cows come home, but there's no debating whether or not the Baltimore PD were negligent in their failure to properly respond to Freddie Gray's medical needs at any point during transport.
Yes it is very debatable.
His requesting does not mean he needs it.


And yet you've based the bulk of your defense of the Baltimore Police's actions in this case squarely on "this idiot's statement". You do see the irony here, don't you?
There is no irony there at all.
All of this has been previously pointed out.

The acceptance of what he says should be based on the surrounding circumstances at the time he made them.

In the case of what he supposedly said to the Police, there exists no reason to doubt he was being truthful. They were made immediately, without any known coercion or in return for any benefit.

His statements now are suspect and he himself tells us why he is saying what he is.
That is a form of coercion placed upon him by his community, and is made in return of a benefit for him. His life.
 
Morning everyone...:2wave:

Let me just say a couple of things, my 2 cents if y'all will....

1. Freddie Grey had a known record for dealing, and using drugs, as well as robbery on his extensive record...Why he was even on the street instead of in jail is problem 1 with our Justice system...

2. Freddie Grey saw police that day, and they saw him. When that happened he fled...That IS probable cause, so we can all just stop with the false narrative of no probable cause...

3. Freddie Grey's actions once apprehended by police were of resistance...And we do NOT know exactly what happened during that time taking him into custody. This we will find out at trial, by experts, not in here by armchair activists with agenda's.

4. The GPS, and tracking software in the van itself has been reported to have not shown anything concerning the ride to jail to be out of the normal parameters of "rides".... No "rough ride occurred...

5. There is a witness that spoke of it sounding like Grey was thrashing "himself" around the back of the van, before he changed his story, probably to save his own skin while in jail...Remember in Balto..."Snitches get stitches"....

6. Upon arrest, and subsequent checks, Grey should absolutely have been secured properly in the back of that van. That he was not buckled in at any time is troubling, and is one thing that the officers that first put him in, and more importantly the driver of the van are responsible for, IF it is shown that this contributed to Grey's death.

7. Mosby, as well as Rawlings-Blake has demonstrated their bias in politicizing, and mishandling this incident from the start...Both should step down, and the case be handed over to a SP, and change of venue immediately.



There is an enormous amount of speculation going on in here, some of it agenda driven, some of it born of genuine dislike of authority figures like police in general, and alot of it pushed by a media that is not reporting the facts, but rather building a narrative, and forming speculation to fit that narrative going forward....It is sad.
 
6. Upon arrest, and subsequent checks, Grey should absolutely have been secured properly in the back of that van. That he was not buckled in at any time is troubling, and is one thing that the officers that first put him in, and more importantly the driver of the van are responsible for, IF it is shown that this contributed to Grey's death.
If the Officers were not properly informed of the supposed new policy put in place three days earlier in an effective and meaningful manner, their using the old standard would still apply.

Under that old standard, exceptions for Officer safety are allowed.
This does not raise to the level of criminal negligence.
 
If the Officers were not properly informed of the supposed new policy put in place three days earlier in an effective and meaningful manner, their using the old standard would still apply.

Under that old standard, exceptions for Officer safety are allowed.
This does not raise to the level of criminal negligence.

I get what you are saying Excon, but outside of the absolute legal argument, let's just take it down to common sense, and us two guys talking....When your hands are cuffed behind your back, and your legs shackled to the floor of the van, sitting on a metal bench in a moving van, I think we can both agree that it would be awfully hard to keep your balance even at normal driving conditions...

If safe transport is the goal, along with safety of the officers involved against claims post trip, then it should behoove them I would think to make sure that incidents like this can not be questioned, considering the make up of the people in charge and their activist bent in going after them....?
 
Why wasn't Gray wearing a seatbelt?
 
:shock: This comment makes no sense as a reply to what you quoted.
What you quoted indicated the need to make changes to false claims. The fact that they hadn't changed, was the point.

I apologies for the confusion here. A little refresher, however, is in order. I wrongly stated that Freddie Gray was not running from police when he was arrested (See post #311, page 32 to this thread http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...l-spine-injury-w-216-a-32.html#post1064580670 for details), but I quickly corrected myself after learning more about his arrest. So, the fault for the confusion here is mine. Nonetheless, this doesn't change anything I've said concerning how Freddie Gray may have sustained his neck injury nor who I believe is responsible for his injury and subsequent death.

Yes he (Donte Allen) has and he even stated why he has changed it (his story about what he heard during the ride to the police station).
And that reason casts what he now says in doubt, as already stated several times.

And yet you continue to use his flimsy testimony as clear evidence as to what happened on Freddie Gray's side of the police van when all Donte Allen heard was "4-seconds" of "a little banging" coming from Freddie Gray's side.

Why are you remaking my points? That is an obvious indication that he was moving around on his own because he had to turn himself around to receive injury from the rear of the van.

You're really stretching things here in an attempt to force your interpretation of what happened inside the rear-right detainee section of the police van to fit what actually happened when in truth no one knows for sure what happened. But I enjoyed reading this:

Put the relevant information together. He was thrashing around in the back of the van which did not speed, make sudden stops or was driven erratically. He did this thrashing for the supposed five minutes the other arrestee was in the van. This thrashing stopped just before they arrived at their destination. That would indicate that he fatally injured himself at that point in time. Not from or during his resisting arrest. Which would indicate that it was not caused by the arresting Officers.

And then more recently this...

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No I do not ignore that.
We already know that the supposed witness, as revealed by the Commissioner, said that the other guy was thrashing around and banging his head.
Do you think he would be up with a broken neck and a crushed voice box thrashing around and banging his head?
That means he was up and about, and is an indication that the injury happened to him when the witness was on the other side during that smooth ride.

Two separate timelines along with Donte Allen's own statement indicate that the so-called "thrashing" did not occur during the time Donte Allen was a detainee. He only heard 4-seconds of "little banging" and then silence which falls right in line with the estimated time Freddie Gray sustained his neck injury which according to both timelines was 15 minutes after he was arrested, but 5-minutes before Donte Allen became detainee #2.

Continued...
 
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(Continued from previous post...)


Asking for proof of an argument like I did, is not the same as saying a person has no proof in an argument of the evidence like you did.

Another minor issue, but it warrants pointing out your hypocrisy here. You asked me to prove that Freddie Gray's neck injury wasn't self-inflected then turn around and insist that another poster "stop the proof argument". Kinda one-sided don't you think?...demanding proof on the one hand but insisting that posters stop asking you to do the same when your arguments don't pan out. It's quite laughable really. In any case, while I can't prove that Freddie Gray's neck injury was not self-inflicted, the autopsy report makes it clear that it is highly unlikely that he inflicted such a severe injury unto himself.

And thus far no one has been able to show any medical treatment was required prior to the arrival at their destination, which is where is was provided.
His lying about needing an inhaler when he was obviously breathing fine and screaming does not necessitate that he be given treatment.

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Yes it is very debatable.
His requesting does not mean he needs it.

And yet...

8:59 a.m. — Van makes third stop. Goodson asks for an additional unit to check on Gray. Officer William Porter and Goodson check on Gray. Gray asks for help, says he can't breathe and asks twice for a medic. Porter helps Gray onto the bench.

TIME UNKNOWN — Van makes fourth stop. Goodson and Porter respond to a request for additional units and are met by Nero, Miller, Porter and Rice. Gray is unresponsive on the floor. Sgt. Alicia White, who is investigating complaints related to Gray's arrest, speaks to the back of Gray's head, but he doesn't respond. A second prisoner is loaded into the wagon. Gray is no longer breathing. Porter helps Gray onto the bench*.

*See A timeline of Freddie Gray's arrest on April 12

So, if at some time after 8:59 a.m. when the on-scene police officers checked on Freddie Gray a third time and found their suspect/detainee to be "unresponsive", don't you think that would have been the perfect time to request paramedics be dispatched to the scene especially when someone in their custody is no longer breathing? You see, it doesn't matter whether you or anyone else believed he was faking his injuries earlier. What matters is how and if law enforcement responded to his medical needs when it became apparent the he needed medical attention. The fact that "Officer Goodson asked for an additional unit to check on Gray" is a strong indication that they knew something was wrong with their suspect.

There is no irony there at all.
All of this has been previously pointed out.

The acceptance of what he says should be based on the surrounding circumstances at the time he made them.

In the case of what he supposedly said to the Police, there exists no reason to doubt he was being truthful. They were made immediately, without any known coercion or in return for any benefit.

His statements now are suspect and he himself tells us why he is saying what he is.
That is a form of coercion placed upon him by his community, and is made in return of a benefit for him. His life.

The above all relates to Donte Allen's statement of events which as I said (and it would appear we both agree) don't require re-hashing. But making claims that Gray's injury was self-inflicted without taking the events of all that occurred into account subsequent to his arrest, being shackled and placed head-first in the back of the van really does make such claims sound ridiculous.

8:46 a.m. - Lieutenant Rice directed the van driver, Officer Caesar R. Goodson Jr., to stop. Officers Miller and Nero and Lieutenant Rice removed Mr. Gray from the van and placed him in leg restraints. Mr. Gray was loaded head first onto the floor of the van.

You can argue that he somehow managed to turn himself around while laying on his stomach with his hands cuffed behind his back at the wrist and his ankles in shackles after having been placed on the floor of the van, but when taking his restraints, his physical position in such a confined space into account AND the fact that he was originally placed in the back of the van head-first, the only part that makes sense as to how Freddie Gray could have possibly gotten himself into position where his head is at the back of the van was when he was helped on the bench by Officer Porter but still not secured in a seatbelt. This quite possibly is when Freddie Gray falls to the floor, slams his head on the bolt and breaks his neck.
 
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2. Freddie Grey saw police that day, and they saw him. When that happened he fled...That IS probable cause, so we can all just stop with the false narrative of no probable cause...

LOL They had to have probable cause TO stop him, BEFORE he fled. The report said they did not.

Fleeing after, will be similar to 'fruit of the poison tree,' it came from the illegal stop, so will not be chargeable.

Of course if I was those cops, I'd be pretty creative on that 'probable cause' angle right now, however with the current political climate...whereas the cops can often play fast and loose with that.....the scrutiny will be exceptionally high.
 
You just keep spinning your wheels and cling to untrue statements to justify your reality.

Freddie Gray 'did not hurt himself' says fellow rider - CNN.com


He was more than happy to desperately latch onto and expound upon it! :mrgreen:

There was just a 'witness report'...one that, once again...he selectively chose to grasp and run with since it met his own agenda. "Selective evidence".....in general, his personal lifeline.

Nothing objective about it.

Some things are practically traps, like the falsified stories about his insurance claims...little bits of info heavily bolstered with enough 'honey' to attract.
 
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LOL They had to have probable cause TO stop him, BEFORE he fled. The report said they did not.

Fleeing after, will be similar to 'fruit of the poison tree,' it came from the illegal stop, so will not be chargeable.

Of course if I was those cops, I'd be pretty creative on that 'probable cause' angle right now, however with the current political climate...whereas the cops can often play fast and loose with that.....the scrutiny will be exceptionally high.

Nope, you need to look a little closer at Urban policing....Like I said, Freddie Gray was known to the police as a drug user, and dealer. While on patrol, they make eye contact, and Freddie takes off...That I believe, unless you have something that proves it wrong other than you just refusing to think with common sense, IS probable cause to go after, and stop/detain Gray until they find out why he ran...
 
Imagine the horror we would have faced when he was choked out by the seatbelt.

Imagine the horror we all faced...and the cop that shot him...when the man that was behind on child support ran from being arrested and was shot fleeing?
 
Nope, you need to look a little closer at Urban policing....Like I said, Freddie Gray was known to the police as a drug user, and dealer. While on patrol, they make eye contact, and Freddie takes off...That I believe, unless you have something that proves it wrong other than you just refusing to think with common sense, IS probable cause to go after, and stop/detain Gray until they find out why he ran...

Doesnt matter.

And I worked pretty closely with NYPD for 3 years.

Not only that, there will be no wiggle room for these cops.

You let me know when 'eye contact" is justification for chasing, physically harming, and then arresting a person....esp. one with NO current charges or outstanding warrants.
 
Further to Lursa...

"Fleeing from police is not, by itself, illegal in America, and the U.S. Supreme Court has made clear that in safe neighborhoods, people not suspected of criminal activity can ignore a police officer who approaches them, even to the point of walking away.

But courts have set a different standard for places where street crime is common, ruling that police can chase, stop and frisk people if their location contributes to a suspicion of criminal activity."

Can You Run From Police? US Courts Apply a Double Standard - ABC News

“There is a Supreme Court case that states that if you are in a high-crime area, and you flee from the police unprovoked, the police have the legal ability to pursue you, and that’s what they did,” Michael Davey told reporters on Wednesday. “In this type of an incident, you do not need probable cause to arrest. You just need a reasonable suspicion to make the stop.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/04/23/after-making-eye-contact-baltimore-chases-ferguson/
 
Further to Lursa...

"Fleeing from police is not, by itself, illegal in America, and the U.S. Supreme Court has made clear that in safe neighborhoods, people not suspected of criminal activity can ignore a police officer who approaches them, even to the point of walking away.

But courts have set a different standard for places where street crime is common, ruling that police can chase, stop and frisk people if their location contributes to a suspicion of criminal activity."

Can You Run From Police? US Courts Apply a Double Standard - ABC News

“There is a Supreme Court case that states that if you are in a high-crime area, and you flee from the police unprovoked, the police have the legal ability to pursue you, and that’s what they did,” Michael Davey told reporters on Wednesday. “In this type of an incident, you do not need probable cause to arrest. You just need a reasonable suspicion to make the stop.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/04/23/after-making-eye-contact-baltimore-chases-ferguson/

Yeah, let's see how the grand jury handles this. "High crime area", "eye contact," and no current warrants? Good luck, esp. in the current...and very real, perceptually, climate of police abuse and killing.

"No probable cause."

He posed no visible (and I dont think he had any violent arrests either, maybe assault?) threat to the public. Good luck with 'reasonable suspicion.'
 
I get what you are saying Excon, but outside of the absolute legal argument, let's just take it down to common sense, and us two guys talking....When your hands are cuffed behind your back, and your legs shackled to the floor of the van, sitting on a metal bench in a moving van, I think we can both agree that it would be awfully hard to keep your balance even at normal driving conditions...

If safe transport is the goal, along with safety of the officers involved against claims post trip, then it should behoove them I would think to make sure that incidents like this can not be questioned, considering the make up of the people in charge and their activist bent in going after them....?
1. His legs were not shackled to the floor of the van.
2. No it isn't that hard at all, but ... Smooth ride, the witness even said it was and he too wasn't buckled.





FYI
For those who thought Mosby couldn't be misrepresenting things, or that there was no probable cause ...

Meanwhile, a police investigation continues as Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn J. Mosby builds her case. The separate investigations have some conflicting findings.

While Mosby said Friday that the officers had made an illegal arrest because a knife Gray was carrying was not a "switchblade," a violation of state law, the police task force studied the knife and determined it was "spring-assisted," which does violate a Baltimore code.


Gunshot at scene of protests underscores tension in Baltimore

The Prosecutor is all about social agenda and not the truth.
 
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He was more than happy to desperately latch onto and expound upon it! :mrgreen:

There was just a 'witness report'...one that, once again...he selectively chose to grasp and run with since it met his own agenda. "Selective evidence".....in general, his personal lifeline.

Nothing objective about it.

Some things are practically traps, like the falsified stories about his insurance claims...little bits of info heavily bolstered with enough 'honey' to attract.
More untruths from you. Figures.
 
Yeah, let's see how the grand jury handles this. "High crime area", "eye contact," and no current warrants? Good luck, esp. in the current...and very real, perceptually, climate of police abuse and killing.

"No probable cause."

He posed no visible (and I dont think he had any violent arrests either, maybe assault?) threat to the public. Good luck with 'reasonable suspicion.'
You keep forgetting that it has been reported that they observed what appeared to be a drug deal.
That is probable cause to give chase and detain.

And finding the knife gave them probable cause to arrest.

Meanwhile, a police investigation continues as Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn J. Mosby builds her case. The separate investigations have some conflicting findings.

While Mosby said Friday that the officers had made an illegal arrest because a knife Gray was carrying was not a "switchblade," a violation of state law, the police task force studied the knife and determined it was "spring-assisted," which does violate a Baltimore code.


Gunshot at scene of protests underscores tension in Baltimore

The Prosecutor is all about social agenda and not the truth.
 
1. His legs were not shackled to the floor of the van.
2. No it isn't that hard at all, but ... Smooth ride, the witness even said it was and he too wasn't buckled.





FYI
For those who thought Mosby couldn't be misrepresenting things, or that there was no probable cause ...

Meanwhile, a police investigation continues as Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn J. Mosby builds her case. The separate investigations have some conflicting findings.

While Mosby said Friday that the officers had made an illegal arrest because a knife Gray was carrying was not a "switchblade," a violation of state law, the police task force studied the knife and determined it was "spring-assisted," which does violate a Baltimore code.


Gunshot at scene of protests underscores tension in Baltimore

The Prosecutor is all about social agenda and not the truth.

Frankly speaking, if I was riding in the back of a van with my hands cuffed behind my back, I would not want to be buckled in. If there is an emergency, I would be unable to unbuckle myself
 
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