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Baltimore on edge after arrestee's fatal spine injury[W:216]

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Would you rather they work in hard labor camps or be executed ?
Even stupid can learn from hard labor and capital criminals should be killed within a week of convection to help others understand how short their lives will be if they kill.

To prevent punishing the innocent they should be offered to testify under the influence of sodium amatol. I can tell you that it works. I did it to save my life in 1977 in Austin, Texas after being accused of indecency with a child and threatening to kill the victim. The psychiatrist that my lawyer sent me to for a psychological profile got a law degree while he was in med school so he ws pretty smart. We did the truth serum interview in a hospital and I was totally out of it for eight hours after we left the hospital. The psychiatrist went to the grand jury to testify but the assistant DA talked to him in the hall for a minute and asked him to wait - costing me $200/hour . The punk AD went in a told the GJ that I was innocent and the case ended without the SA interview being heard.

In the case of a capital crime if the convicted person wants to do the SA testimony and confesses he could just be given another shot of pure heroin. If he says that he didn't do the crime he could wake up at home in his own bed.

I just called the Dr. to thank him again for helping me and he told me that he had done a SA interview on a guy who had raped a girl, cut her throat and bumped her in a land fill but she lived and told who he was. The Dr. told the court at the punishment phase of the trial that the guy was the most dangerous person he had ever met but they gave the guy 10 years and when he got out he killed several women before he was caught.
 
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I find it amusing that case after case comes out, and evidence constantly contradicts the initial court of public opinion's findings. And then the court of public opinion never learns to wait for "the rest of the story."

... grand juries are *supposed* to be favorable to cops. As are district attorneys. And judges. And mayors.
 
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Even stupid can learn from hard labor and capital criminals should be killed within a week of convection to help others understand how short their lives will be if they kill.

I guess we can overlook all those on death row that have later been proved innocent.

To prevent punishing the innocent they should be offered to testify under the influence of sodium amatol.

In the case of a capital crime if the convicted person wants to do the SA testimony and confesses he could just be given another shot of pure heroin. If he says that he didn't do the crime he could wake up at home in his own bed.

LOL.
 
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I guess, but why is anyone OK with one of our "cultural differences" being a police state?

Depends on where you are at, eh? I don't see my local PD as a "police state." I've heard alaska is more like the wild west than any police state. It doesn't bother people if they don't see it every day.
 
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Depends on where you are at, eh? I don't see my local PD as a "police state." I've heard alaska is more like the wild west than any police state. It doesn't bother people if they don't see it every day.

That's true enough, and a big part of the problem. The victims are some "others" who aren't part of their daily lives, so why bother caring? Hey, they're thugs, obviously, or they wouldn't be in trouble with the police.

It's sort of an aside, but what I always wanted to see in NYC while they were doing the stop and frisk nonsense was a team of cops set up around the $10 million and up apartments around Central Park or down at Wall Street putting white guys in $5,000 suits against the wall and being searched, including their briefcases. Just do that for a week..... After all, if the plutocrats weren't doing anything wrong, carrying drugs or something, you know, they should welcome the searches to help keep the city safe!
 
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Holy straw man, Batman!!

Sure, we all know people like that. The question is what we accomplish by making felons out of maybe 10% of the population, the vast majority for non-violent crimes, and the vast majority of those drug offenses. Seems like there might be better options for our money than spending perhaps $30,000 a head per year in jail.

And somehow the entire rest of the industrialized world maintains social stability and order with 1/5th or less the number of people in jails...



It's a mystery why you said you had a problem with BS arrests. Clearly that's not the case.

These were considered serious crimes ...terroristic threats, burglary, domestic violence, etc. Not talking about getting caught with a joint.

None of that is as obvious to the cops as eluding arrest which can add significant time to your sentence.
 
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These were considered serious crimes ...terroristic threats, burglary, domestic violence, etc. Not talking about getting caught with a joint.

None of that is as obvious to the cops as eluding arrest which can add significant time to your sentence.

I'm not sure what "these" refers to - what were considered serious crimes and who was charged with 'terroristic threats' that we've been talking about in recent days? I'm at a loss.
 
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Even stupid can learn from hard labor and capital criminals should be killed within a week of convection to help others understand how short their lives will be if they kill.

To prevent punishing the innocent they should be offered to testify under the influence of sodium amatol. I can tell you that it works. I did it to save my life in 1977 in Austin, Texas after being accused of indecency with a child and threatening to kill the victim. The psychiatrist that my lawyer sent me to for a psychological profile got a law degree while he was in med school so he ws pretty smart. We did the truth serum interview in a hospital and I was totally out of it for eight hours after we left the hospital. The psychiatrist went to the grand jury to testify but the assistant DA talked to him in the hall for a minute and asked him to wait - costing me $200/hour . The punk AD went in a told the GJ that I was innocent and the case ended without the SA interview being heard.

In the case of a capital crime if the convicted person wants to do the SA testimony and confesses he could just be given another shot of pure heroin. If he says that he didn't do the crime he could wake up at home in his own bed.

I just called the Dr. to thank him again for helping me and he told me that he had done a SA interview on a guy who had raped a girl, cut her throat and bumped her in a land fill but she lived and told who he was. The Dr. told the court at the punishment phase of the trial that the guy was the most dangerous person he had ever met but they gave the guy 10 years and when he got out he killed several women before he was caught.

Ha...that punk assistant DA was working under Ronnie Earle who was a complete dick.I'd say you were lucky to get off.

Ronnie Earle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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I'm not sure what "these" refers to - what were considered serious crimes and who was charged with 'terroristic threats' that we've been talking about in recent days? I'm at a loss.

The crimes committed by the people I know.

I got back to the original topic in the last part.
 
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The crimes committed by the people I know.

I got back to the original topic in the last part.

OK, but I'm obviously not arguing jail is inappropriate for a person accused of ANY crime. Violent crimes merit jail terms. What doesn't in my view are the huge numbers in jail, many for long sentences for non-violent, mostly drug related crimes. This is your police state on the War on Drugs:

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OK, but I'm obviously not arguing jail is inappropriate for a person accused of ANY crime. Violent crimes merit jail terms. What doesn't in my view are the huge numbers in jail, many for long sentences for non-violent, mostly drug related crimes. This is your police state on the War on Drugs:

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You're talking to an ex-druggie so, I completely agree with your sentiments regard non-violent offenders.
 
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... grand juries are *supposed* to be favorable to cops. As are district attorneys. And judges. And mayors.

Says who?
 
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Says who?

:2razz:

Let me google that for you

Like 20 recent articles about how it is almost impossible to get a grand jury to indict a cop for a crime.

But I guess I'll supplement that with an explanation.

Mayors, judges, and prosecutors are generally ambitious career orientated people that want legacies and and promotions. The mayor wants to be governor, the judge wants to be chief justice, and the prosecutor wants to be a the district attorney. All of them depending on a working relationship with the police to make ends meet, in particular to maintain the all important illusion that everything is working as intended. Even private law firms rely on the police to develop and argue their cases; police, due to the nature of their work, monopolize a lot of the resources and currencies of legal and political power at the municipal, state, and even national level.

While ostensibly under most legal systems police aren't really allowed to show favoritism in their relations with public figures, in reality the scale of the work that needs to be done always exceeds the amount of available man power and resources, meaning the police as both organizations and individuals enjoy a certain amount of control over how much effort they are willingness to invest into a particular legal or criminal matter. And the amount of bureaucracy and legal knowledge and right at the disposal of a police department and their union always exceeds the ability of any individual figure to hold police accountable for lack of investment or cooperation in Random Legal Matter/Crime Exhibit A. The mayor doesn't really have the power to just fire a public official like a police officer for being uncooperative or under invested in matters that affect the mayor; mayors have elections, police have unions, so its not hard to predict which one of them is going to survive past a spike in unpopularity due to an erosion of civil stability and an increase in crime.

It's not difficult to predict the results of such a climate.
 
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:2razz:

Let me google that for you

Like 20 recent articles about how it is almost impossible to get a grand jury to indict a cop for a crime.

But I guess I'll supplement that with an explanation.

Mayors, judges, and prosecutors are generally ambitious career orientated people that want legacies and and promotions. The mayor wants to be governor, the judge wants to be chief justice, and the prosecutor wants to be a the district attorney. All of them depending on a working relationship with the police to make ends meet, in particular to maintain the all important illusion that everything is working as intended. Even private law firms rely on the police to develop and argue their cases; police, due to the nature of their work, monopolize a lot of the resources and currencies of legal and political power at the municipal, state, and even national level.

While ostensibly under most legal systems police aren't really allowed to show favoritism in their relations with public figures, in reality the scale of the work that needs to be done always exceeds the amount of available man power and resources, meaning the police as both organizations and individuals enjoy a certain amount of control over how much effort they are willingness to invest into a particular legal or criminal matter. And the amount of bureaucracy and legal knowledge and right at the disposal of a police department and their union always exceeds the ability of any individual figure to hold police accountable for lack of investment or cooperation in Random Legal Matter/Crime Exhibit A. The mayor doesn't really have the power to just fire a public official like a police officer for being uncooperative or under invested in matters that affect the mayor; mayors have elections, police have unions, so its not hard to predict which one of them is going to survive past a spike in unpopularity due to an erosion of civil stability and an increase in crime.

It's not difficult to predict the results of such a climate.

That really wasn't what I asked now was it? You said *supposed to* didn't you? Hence my reply.
 
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That really wasn't what I asked now was it? You said *supposed to* didn't you? Hence my reply.

... my explanation does answer your question, but I'll be more specific.

To a large extent the entire reason why the Grand Jury system has been maintained by politicians at a political level is because it gives local political power brokers (through their relationships with the defense and prosecution) an opportunity to manipulate criminal charges, a very useful feature in a government with as high stakes political rivalries and tendencies toward gridlock. In Anglo countries where democracy is less challenged, the Grand Jury system has been dismantled.

Generally speaking, two guys who shot a guy wielding a screw driver aren't going to get out of it without some incriminating testimony coming to light. Even if the situation or evidence is enough in their favor to beat the manslaughter/murder charge, doubts about their competence will be raised in public for a prolonged period of time -- watch dog groups that are active in local politics will gain a lot of ammunition that can be used against pretty much anyone who has a working relationship with the police. Although these dramas aren't always viewable or comprehensible to the general public, their influence is real.

A Grand Jury trial basically skips all of that. No criminal charge means more privacy rights for the non-accused and all other participants. Prosecutors can soft ball their litigation without being scrutinized for it by the general public.

In practical terms, a grand jury is a legal gray zone where you can get charges dismissed for any platitude on the book.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Ok folks, lets get back on topic. This thread is not about doing X type of crime shouldn't get X type of punishment or anything else. This is about a man who had major spinal injury while in police custody. Stick to that or get booted. If you want to talk about that other stuff then take it to another thread.
 
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Look I get that there is a higher incidence of fatal shootings of black men, but I don't subscribe to that sort of sensationalism. I think there are a lot of dynamics that go into the reasons behind the high incidence of shootings of black men and not all of those reasons are insidious.



Maybe not all, of course, but you have to admit that it dam well looks insidious!
 
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Of course people are terrified by the police and run out of fear. They know they cannot trust the police not to beat or kill them. Look at the guy that stole the horse. When the cops caught him, 10 of them beat the crap out of him.



....and that was after he threw himself on the ground in surrender.
 
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Makes you wonder why black men run under those circumstances. Oh wait, maybe it's those outstanding warrants and criminal records



Having an outstanding warrant or a criminal record does not justify a death sentence, or do you think it does?
 
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I see them splatter all over the screen as you do. I also see the FBI stats that show how rare it actually is.



Excuse me, but my understanding is that their are no reliable stats on civilian shootings by police.
 
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Excuse me, but my understanding is that their are no reliable stats on civilian shootings by police.

Right, we naturally don't collect reliable numbers for something so trivial as deaths at the hands of our police. It appears the best numbers are collected by some dude who runs a......Facebook page! Tells you volumes about our priorities, and that police killings are WAY down at the very bottom of any list.
 
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Excuse me, but my understanding is that their are no reliable stats on civilian shootings by police.

So you're just going to make some up?

Me thinks the media and the race baitors have made you hysterical.
 
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This stuff happens at the hands of cops to white people and latinos on a daily basis and nobody says a word. While I feel bad for the black guy who got his neck snapped by cops, I also feel bad for the tens of thousands of white and latino guys who've died in police custody and to this day nobody knows their names and never will because nobody cares.

White or latino guy dies in police custody? Oh. What's for lunch? Black guy dies in police custody? National media attention and civil rights investigations.

Really, personally, this is not a race issue. I care VERY MUCH about anybody hurt or killed in police custody, or during apprehension. I wish to see this issue addressed nationally and an end put to it.
 
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Having an outstanding warrant or a criminal record does not justify a death sentence, or do you think it does?

I'd say by his comment that it does.
 
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Maybe not all, of course, but you have to admit that it dam well looks insidious!

I think there are a lot of factors that are at play. The media, the rate of poverty among African Americans, the rate of crime among the poor, and popular culture to name a few. I think it's quite possible, even probable that black men are the victims of unjustified police violence at a much higher rate than white men given the fact that African Americans (men and women) make up about 12% of the population. What I'm not ready to say is that the prevailing attitude among police is that it's ok to shoot black men.
 
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