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Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

11Bravo said:
"Cop apologists"?

Lol what an insane term.

765,000 Sworn Officers in the US and out of every few THOUSAND of them, there is ONE bad cop. Police are people, not machines. Some people can pass all kinds of training and poly's and still be as*@(@s. Kind of like HUMINT operators who decide to sell state secrets.

Get off your high horse. Most cops are good. The media doesn't report the 99.9% of good cops.
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There is a bigger problem. Let's say you are right and one out of every thousand is a problem (though I dispute that), there aren't enough cops willing to step forward and report the bad cops. When a cop sees another cop abusing his authority, is he not obligated to report that crime as any other crime? Aren't violations of the public trust egregious violations that all police should take seriously.

If you are allowed to create numbers out of thin air, then here is one I'm making up. if 99.9% of cops are good, then I speculate that 50%-70% of cops have seen other cops violating the rights of citizens and have done nothing about it.

Are those "good" cops?
 
j-mac said:
Why not just do away with police forces, and then we can truly be free, right?
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When the NYPD engaged in a work slowdown "petty crime" arrests decreased by at least 66% and in some cases 90%. And yet New York did not collapse into utter ruin. People who say "we should do away with police" seem to forget that overall crime rates in this country have consistently declined over the past 30 years...
 
CanadaJohn said:
My only comment on this is to ask who in their right mind would want to be a police officer in this day and in this political/social climate? Constantly watched/taped, constantly second guessed, constantly accused of being criminal or thugs, and constantly having an entitled public up in their faces everywhere they go and work.
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Pretty much what the government does to us, huh?

We need good cops, not bad cops. Bad cops must be punished and removed from power. For this case, we have to wait and see what the full story is, but the clip doesn't make it look good. But it's the answer to the age old question, "Who polices the police?", it's The People.
 
cpwill said:
1. A lot of what we were doing in Iraq was policing.
2. Maybe portions of the populace should then stop treating police like the enemy?
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Filming cops is treating them like the enemy?
 
11Bravo said:
"Cop apologists"?

Lol what an insane term.

765,000 Sworn Officers in the US and out of every few THOUSAND of them, there is ONE bad cop. Police are people, not machines. Some people can pass all kinds of training and poly's and still be as*@(@s. Kind of like HUMINT operators who decide to sell state secrets.

Get off your high horse. Most cops are good. The media doesn't report the 99.9% of good cops.
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Where I work, (and in most other jobs as well) if you literally get filmed screwing up on your job you get fired immediately. Could you imagine what these cop defenders would say if Wal*Mart employees confiscated and destroyed people's cell phones because they were too close to a greeter at the store? What about a McDonald's employee? Should a McDonald's employee be allowed to confiscate and destroy someone's property because they don't like being filmed and sometimes their job is stressful?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
They don't that's a creation of the 1033 program, the war on terror, and the desire to turn the police into a domestic military force. What you are seeing, is the backlash to militarizing the police.
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Sort of, but sort of not. We are seeing police, many of whom are veterans, react to familiar stimuli - being treated by the populace they are trying to protect as though they were the enemy. We are also seeing extreme cherry-picking to create false narratives about them, that feed that anger against / hatred towards them. Every soldier didn't torture people in Abu Ghraib, and vets remember looking down on people who were unable to grasp that, and every cop doesn't abuse citizens, and the vets who wear blue probably look down on the people unable to grasp that as well.

Police, in times of historic peace, low crime, are treating this country like a warzone and gearing up as if it's an occupation. It's not the other way around.,

I mean, a tactical beard?

LAPD facial hair policy:

"Facial hair is permitted for on-duty officers in uniform with the permission of the Chief of Police. All facial hair shall be clean, neatly trimmed, and will present a professional appearance. Permission to wear beards, moustaches, and goatees may be withdrawn by the Chief at any time."

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So, for what reason does this high speed, low drag "operator" need to have an unkempt bear while on duty?
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:shrug: Ask his supervisor - it looks like (assuming he falls under those regs) that he's out of them. Looking at his body type, I'm not sure I exactly see a Shooter, here, but that may be the image and the gear he's wearing, rather than a belly.
 
reinoe said:
Filming cops is treating them like the enemy?
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No, and no one has suggested that it is. With understandable exceptions, broader filming is good for both the police and the citizenry. Which is why I note that the clip here appears to have been, well, clipped.
 
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cpwill said:
Sort of, but sort of not. We are seeing police, many of whom are veterans, react to familiar stimuli - being treated by the populace they are trying to protect as though they were the enemy. We are also seeing extreme cherry-picking to create false narratives about them, that feed that anger against / hatred towards them. Every soldier didn't torture people in Abu Ghraib, and vets remember looking down on people who were unable to grasp that, and every cop doesn't abuse citizens, and the vets who wear blue probably look down on the people unable to grasp that as well.
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Of all the recent police shootings that were in the news, how many were former military?

No one said every cop abuses citizens.

It's a false comparison. Cops are not at war, no matter how "mouthy" the rabble get towards them.



:shrug: Ask his supervisor - it looks like (assuming he falls under those regs) that he's out of them. Looking at his body type, I'm not sure I exactly see a Shooter, here, but that may be the image and the gear he's wearing, rather than a belly.
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He's playing that role, that he most likely never was a part of. it's a fantasy roll, that unfortunately places no LEO's as the "enemy".
 
cpwill said:
No, and no one has suggested that it is. With understandable exceptions, broader filming is good for both the police and the citizenry. Which is why I note that the clip here appears to have been, well, clipped.
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I don't see cop headquarters getting bombed. I don't see raids on their families or kidnapping of their offspring in exchange for ransom. I don't see them under sniper fire or being targeted be terrorist attacks. I don't see them getting bombed.

How exactly are the police being treated like the enemy? By being asked to wear body cameras? By filming them? By asking them to justify their use of force against civilians, many of whom are unarmed and in some cases already detained? By asking them to stop lying on police reports? These things are considered treating cops like the enemy?

All I can say is that your standards for "treating police like the enemy" are incredibly low.
 
Ikari said:
Pretty much what the government does to us, huh?

We need good cops, not bad cops. Bad cops must be punished and removed from power. For this case, we have to wait and see what the full story is, but the clip doesn't make it look good. But it's the answer to the age old question, "Who polices the police?", it's The People.
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I'm just guessing, but I'll bet whatever your profession, you wouldn't like it if your every move was captured on video and every action you took was then subjected to second guessing and critique by those who haven't a clue what you do or how to do what you do. Add to that the life and death situations that police are often daily involved in, and your gratuitous slag about being watched by the government as a comparable is inane.
 
reinoe said:
Where I work, (and in most other jobs as well) if you literally get filmed screwing up on your job you get fired immediately. Could you imagine what these cop defenders would say if Wal*Mart employees confiscated and destroyed people's cell phones because they were too close to a greeter at the store? What about a McDonald's employee? Should a McDonald's employee be allowed to confiscate and destroy someone's property because they don't like being filmed and sometimes their job is stressful?
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The very moment that Walmart greeters and McDonalds employees are called out on duty to arrest someone carrying a weapon, committing a crime, or threatening people, you might have a point. Until then, your comparison is asinine.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I'm just guessing, but I'll bet whatever your profession, you wouldn't like it if your every move was captured on video and every action you took was then subjected to second guessing and critique by those who haven't a clue what you do or how to do what you do. Add to that the life and death situations that police are often daily involved in, and your gratuitous slag about being watched by the government as a comparable is inane.
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All of those things cops voluntarily subject themselves to by have a government job that interacts with the public.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I'm just guessing, but I'll bet whatever your profession, you wouldn't like it if your every move was captured on video and every action you took was then subjected to second guessing and critique by those who haven't a clue what you do or how to do what you do. Add to that the life and death situations that police are often daily involved in, and your gratuitous slag about being watched by the government as a comparable is inane.
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Doesn't matter if they like it or not, if you have a situation where police are overly heavy handed in this time of record low crime, it is not just our right, but our duty to ask why? and to question the methods employed that end up with non violent suspects, dead.


Or in this case, a clear example of assault by this jack boot, on an admittedly obnoxious acting civillian (which is not against the law)
 
Do cops somehow not realize that people can upload everything they are recording live? This isn't the 1990's when you could smash a camera and be sure that all evidence of your wrong doing was destroyed.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I'm just guessing, but I'll bet whatever your profession, you wouldn't like it if your every move was captured on video and every action you took was then subjected to second guessing and critique by those who haven't a clue what you do or how to do what you do. Add to that the life and death situations that police are often daily involved in, and your gratuitous slag about being watched by the government as a comparable is inane.
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I'm a physicist, and of course I wouldn't want to be monitored. It's just that we already are. Big Brother don't care about profession. But when it comes to lethal government force against its own citizens, we need to be very careful and watchful with how it exercises that power to ensure everything is kept within proper and reasonable means.

If Big Brother is good for the citizens, it's good for the Government.
 
reinoe said:
All of those things cops voluntarily subject themselves to by have a government job that interacts with the public.
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So every government employee who interacts with the public is videoed and the video is emailed off to CNN or whomever for viewing and critique on a regular basis?
 
Ikari said:
I'm a physicist, and of course I wouldn't want to be monitored. It's just that we already are. Big Brother don't care about profession. But when it comes to lethal government force against its own citizens, we need to be very careful and watchful with how it exercises that power to ensure everything is kept within proper and reasonable means.

If Big Brother is good for the citizens, it's good for the Government.
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We have cameras every where, at almost every intersection, but the cops resist it on themselves or being filmed.
 
CanadaJohn said:
So every government employee who interacts with the public is videoed and the video is emailed off to CNN or whomever for viewing and critique on a regular basis?
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CLose, it is archived and stored, and in the even of an incident, it can be pulled up and reviewewed.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Doesn't matter if they like it or not, if you have a situation where police are overly heavy handed in this time of record low crime, it is not just our right, but our duty to ask why? and to question the methods employed that end up with non violent suspects, dead.


Or in this case, a clear example of assault by this jack boot, on an admittedly obnoxious acting civillian (which is not against the law)
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I simply point out, for what it's worth, that no sane person would volunteer to train and enter law enforcement these days due to the political/social climate. As such, your desire to weed out "jack boot" assaults through citizen video and blanket condemnation of all police whenever such a situation occurs, will only serve to weed good people out of the law enforcement ranks and challenge good people from even entering the field and you'll be left with the "jack booters" as the norm.

Funny how you seldom see videos like this of jackasses getting arrested and what they do in the process.
 
CanadaJohn said:
So every government employee who interacts with the public is videoed and the video is emailed off to CNN or whomever for viewing and critique on a regular basis?
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Sure. Politicians face that risk all the time. As do garbagemen, road construction crews, and postal workers among many others. All of whom voluntarily take their jobs.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
We have cameras every where, at almost every intersection, but the cops resist it on themselves or being filmed.
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In backwards universe it's ok if the government watches the people, but bad if the people watch the government.
 
Ikari said:
I'm a physicist, and of course I wouldn't want to be monitored. It's just that we already are. Big Brother don't care about profession. But when it comes to lethal government force against its own citizens, we need to be very careful and watchful with how it exercises that power to ensure everything is kept within proper and reasonable means.

If Big Brother is good for the citizens, it's good for the Government.
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This is not Big Brother, however. If you're lobbying for body cams on police, I can agree. But let's regularly show the type of scum these police officers have to deal with on a regular basis and not just have the media cherry pick which "cop scandal" they want to promote for ratings next. But no, we can't do that, because poor little Johnny and Jill criminal have privacy rights and we must protect the poor dears from being embarrassed.
 
CanadaJohn said:
This is not Big Brother, however. If you're lobbying for body cams on police, I can agree. But let's regularly show the type of scum these police officers have to deal with on a regular basis and not just have the media cherry pick which "cop scandal" they want to promote for ratings next. But no, we can't do that, because poor little Johnny and Jill criminal have privacy rights and we must protect the poor dears from being embarrassed.
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Ironically cops resist body cameras. If they didn't we could readily see these officers dealing with "scum". I suspect that there's not as much "scum" as cops would like us to believe.
 
reinoe said:
Sure. Politicians face that risk all the time. As do garbagemen, road construction crews, and postal workers among many others. All of whom voluntarily take their jobs.
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Funny how your comparators to police officers are always those who have virtually no mental stress in their day to day work lives. And in what world are postal workers, garbage men, and construction crews videoed routinely in their jobs and that video emailed off to CNN for review? That's just nuts.
 
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