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Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

But, I am not saying that...Who decides what a "reasonable distance" is? The police trying to bust in on a biker gang? or the citizen trying to catch them in something to discredit their actions?

Usnure but I suspect the standard will come down to what is interfering, and from all the clips I have seen not a one of them points to this person trying to stop or slow down the arrest. The police did not want to be filmed, so they did something about it and from my chair they broke the law to get their way.
 
You know, of you get too close to the Tiger cage at the zoo, it may attack you as well....




So you are saying cops are wild animals, unpredictable and deadly to those who dare get to close.


Funny, I thought they were rational human beings with a job to "protect and serve" the public.


If they are mindless animals why are we giving them guns and athority?
 
:shrug: initially his actions look fairly indefensible, however, it's pretty obviously clipped. We will see what fully comes out.

In the meantime, those who rush to jump on the cop are operating in as much dark as those who rush to defend him.

Seems if she had done something he would of grabbed her and arrested her, or at the very least spoken to her about her actions, not the camera. Now you are right the video is clipped and we can't be 100% certain, but this one looks like it's going to be pretty hard to defend.
 
Let's remember too, that he is holding an AR15. Now if an officer attacks you unprovoked, without warning, do you have the right to defend yourself? Would you defend yourself knowing that unless a video is being shot somewhere else, you are going to be beaten and abused and charged with a crime because what you call sell defense they will call assault or resisting ect...

I posted another thread that proposes a new law for violations of the public trust....

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...s-guilty-additional-crime.html#post1064549446

Why not just do away with police forces, and then we can truly be free, right?
 
Why not just do away with police forces, and then we can truly be free, right?

The logical fallacy you've committed is called "Appeal the the Extreme"

Description: Erroneously attempting to make a reasonable argument into an absurd one, by taking the argument to the extremes.
 
I'm not convinced we can dismiss this one under the guise of network news motivations.

Ah. So this is a theory wherein news organizations do not seek to make money?

I do not think as a society we can tolerate officers who look at their activity as being above the law.

I would concur. Those who are granted public powers and then abuse special trust and confidence placed in them should receive additional penalties - be they abusive cops, ideologically-driven IRS agents, or corrupt election workers.

But because of that, we also need to be sure.
 
Seems if she had done something he would of grabbed her and arrested her, or at the very least spoken to her about her actions, not the camera. Now you are right the video is clipped and we can't be 100% certain, but this one looks like it's going to be pretty hard to defend.

:shrug: at this stage in the game, half the country was convinced whatshisname in ferguson had his hands up and was trying to surrender. If we are going to lash out at a cop, we should make sure that we are right to do so.
 
So you are saying cops are wild animals, unpredictable and deadly to those who dare get to close.


Funny, I thought they were rational human beings with a job to "protect and serve" the public.


If they are mindless animals why are we giving them guns and athority?

No, that's you trying like hell to justify your own dumb blurts in this thread...We don't know what was said before, or after that video clip, nor do we know why she was intent on taking video, or pics of the actions....How do you know she isn't part of the biker gang they were trying to interdict?

I am not saying that cops are "wild animals" that is your characterization. I am simply saying that if you act in a predictable way while they are trying to do their job, then their actions are predictable as well...To expect that you can just walk up for instance, while a cop is trying to effect an arrest, and get in the middle of what he is doing because you think he is being too rough, and not get arrested harshly yourself is just plain stupid.

Just as this lady was too close, notice that the other person across the street had no problems filming them....Now why do you think that is?
 
Nah, we want them to just go back to policing, not pretending to be PMC's in Iraq and us the enemy.

1. A lot of what we were doing in Iraq was policing.
2. Maybe portions of the populace should then stop treating police like the enemy?


I see the similarity that you do. But that makes me more likely to grant the cop greater assumption, not less.

Between an irresponsible populace convinced that "The Cops Are Just After Them" because "They Keep Getting Harassed Just For Breaking The Law", or that the law is somehow illegitimate and that they can/should take that out on cops..... and a populace who agrees to do a crappy job dealing with the worst people doing their worst things on a regular basis, risking their life to protect others...... well, I know which side I am going to instinctively fall on. One of these sides has made a serving gesture towards the other, and been rewarded with hate and bile. And, in many cases, probably responded with understandable contempt.
 
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To those that are defending the cops actions or saying it's hard to tell from the short video, I have to ask what could have the lady done that would have made it legal for a the officer to destroy her personal property. Even if she broke some law does she not have to go before a judge before she can be found guilty. I wasn't aware that the cop on he ground was allowed to make that judgment.
 
No, that's you trying like hell to justify your own dumb blurts in this thread...We don't know what was said before, or after that video clip, nor do we know why she was intent on taking video, or pics of the actions....How do you know she isn't part of the biker gang they were trying to interdict?

I am not saying that cops are "wild animals" that is your characterization. I am simply saying that if you act in a predictable way while they are trying to do their job, then their actions are predictable as well...To expect that you can just walk up for instance, while a cop is trying to effect an arrest, and get in the middle of what he is doing because you think he is being too rough, and not get arrested harshly yourself is just plain stupid.

Just as this lady was too close, notice that the other person across the street had no problems filming them....Now why do you think that is?




The lady close to the cops was running her mouth.


The #hero's are supposed to be the professionals.


You made the comparison to wild animals, not me.
 
Nah, we want them to just go back to policing, not pretending to be PMC's in Iraq and us the enemy.

Hey, Newsflash there Rev....There are some pretty bad people out there....Maybe we can just start asking criminals to "pretty please" just give up....right?
 
Yup. Having performed that task a couple of times, I can say that when you risk yourself to protect a populace that you increasingly feel chooses to view the law (and you, as its avatar) as the enemy, rather than the criminals, it's pretty crappy. A lot of the anti-coppers depersonalize the middle class dude with a tough job into some kind of hydra-monster "The State", and confuse childish rantings against the police officer with striking some kind of brave individualistic pose against the former.

Though I was never actually a cop, I went to school to be a cop I've been on at least 100 ride-a-longs over a two year period in a city of about 60K. I've trained police in the use of "continuance of force techniques" and PR-24 use. I have several friends and family members who are cops (including Cheif of Police)...So I have a little background myself.....

When I talk to the cops I know, they agree there is a problem. Many are reluctant to speak out against the behaviors of fellow officers they see as they fear being ostracized in a police culture that has increasingly adopted a stance that intimidation and fear is better than cooperation. That preemption and self protection are what's being taught, not negotiation and self-discipline.

The cops I know want personal cameras, to protect themselves and because they know the "bad" cops will get weeded out.
 
Where are the "ride along" cop apologists?


Dudes dressed like he's blackwater, ****in coward.

"Cop apologists"?

Lol what an insane term.

765,000 Sworn Officers in the US and out of every few THOUSAND of them, there is ONE bad cop. Police are people, not machines. Some people can pass all kinds of training and poly's and still be as*@(@s. Kind of like HUMINT operators who decide to sell state secrets.

Get off your high horse. Most cops are good. The media doesn't report the 99.9% of good cops.
 
The lady close to the cops was running her mouth.


The #hero's are supposed to be the professionals.


You made the comparison to wild animals, not me.

Ok, so you can't address what I just said in the post you quoted eh? Figures....I'm going to mow the lawn....This is destroying my brain cells....
 
No, that's you trying like hell to justify your own dumb blurts in this thread...We don't know what was said before, or after that video clip, nor do we know why she was intent on taking video, or pics of the actions....How do you know she isn't part of the biker gang they were trying to interdict?

I am not saying that cops are "wild animals" that is your characterization. I am simply saying that if you act in a predictable way while they are trying to do their job, then their actions are predictable as well...To expect that you can just walk up for instance, while a cop is trying to effect an arrest, and get in the middle of what he is doing because you think he is being too rough, and not get arrested harshly yourself is just plain stupid.

Just as this lady was too close, notice that the other person across the street had no problems filming them....Now why do you think that is?
So than she should have been arrested if she was interfering with an arrest and had her day in court. What legal authority does the police officer have to find her guilty and the punishment is he gets to break her camera. Seems to me that if she was breaking the law the footage would be used as evidence against her. Probably shouldn't have smashed it in that case.

But to be honest I have never seen the law that allows the cop to determine guilt right there in the spot.
 
Maybe portions of the populace should then stop treating police like the enemy?

I see the similarity that you do. But that makes me more likely to grant the cop greater assumption, not less.



They don't that's a creation of the 1033 program, the war on terror, and the desire to turn the police into a domestic military force. What you are seeing, is the backlash to militarizing the police.

Police, in times of historic peace, low crime, are treating this country like a warzone and gearing up as if it's an occupation. It's not the other way around.,

I mean, a tactical beard?



LAPD facial hair policy:

"Facial hair is permitted for on-duty officers in uniform with the permission of the Chief of Police. All facial hair shall be clean, neatly trimmed, and will present a professional appearance. Permission to wear beards, moustaches, and goatees may be withdrawn by the Chief at any time."

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So, for what reason does this high speed, low drag "operator" need to have an unkempt bear while on duty?


We both know the reason, cause all the cool socom d00ds and contractors do it in iraq and afghanistan (with good reason, reason that is lacking in LA)
 
Ok, so you can't address what I just said in the post you quoted eh? Figures....I'm going to mow the lawn....This is destroying my brain cells....

I addressed what you said, directly.


Indeed, any more, and you wouldn't be able to figure out that lawn mower! ;)
 
Hey, Newsflash there Rev....There are some pretty bad people out there....Maybe we can just start asking criminals to "pretty please" just give up....right?



27 police died in the line of duty last year, statistically very very few.

Crime is at an all time low.


There are some pretty bad people out there, sure. But not nearly as many as you are led to believe.

And this lady wasn't one of them. being obnoxious, isn't against the law.
 
:shrug: at this stage in the game, half the country was convinced whatshisname in ferguson had his hands up and was trying to surrender. If we are going to lash out at a cop, we should make sure that we are right to do so.

I've always, always said that it's a shame that so much effort was, as a result of the incident, as I was never fully convinced that that incident wasn't justified. Now I'm not certain that it was justified, but I've seen hundreds and hundreds of people who where were killed or injured by police that were much more deserving of the public outrage than the kid in Ferguson.
 
"Cop apologists"?

Lol what an insane term.

765,000 Sworn Officers in the US and out of every few THOUSAND of them, there is ONE bad cop. Police are people, not machines. Some people can pass all kinds of training and poly's and still be as*@(@s. Kind of like HUMINT operators who decide to sell state secrets.

Get off your high horse. Most cops are good. The media doesn't report the 99.9% of good cops.


I've never said most cops aren't good cops...


There are good cops, however, and there are bad cops, "good cops" who turn a blind eye to bad cops, are not good cops.
 
Let me just say, from the short snippet of what happened that we saw, I do NOT condone the police officers actions, however, don't we have to ask ourselves why it is that outlets like NBC are pushing this meme...? I mean, you and others that can be so easily manipulated by a 10 second snip of footage, and a narrative need to back up a moment, and check why you are falling for this silliness.



Meme?

A woman is assaulted on video, has her property destroyed and you call it a ****ing meme?

You don't support the cop, how nice. You don't condemn it either, and suggest this is all being orchestrated by MSNBC as if they manufactured this is tacit approval.

Wake the **** up. Some of your cops think they're in Iraq and do whatever they like. They don't want video of what they do because what they do is wrong, illegal and often psychotic.

By suggesting such, you condone it.
 
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To those that are defending the cops actions or saying it's hard to tell from the short video, I have to ask what could have the lady done that would have made it legal for a the officer to destroy her personal property. Even if she broke some law does she not have to go before a judge before she can be found guilty. I wasn't aware that the cop on he ground was allowed to make that judgment.

That's funny because in the case where the guy got shot in the back in SC. I asked the EXACT same question over and over to those who defended the cop in that situation. Could anyone speculate on a set of circumstances that would have justified the officers actions? I didn't get much in the way of a response.

Now in this case, if she had done something sooooo wrong that she deserved to have her property destroyed, shouldn't she have been arrested? Seems the lack of arrest (or at least that I'm aware of) lends of credence to the fact that she wasn't doing anything against the law.

I'm gonna watch this one develop and as in all cases I speculate on, if it's shown I am wrong, I will make a post admitting I was wrong. Still haven't had to eat my words.
 
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