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Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

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Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

April 19, 2015

TEHRAN, Iran — International nuclear inspectors will be barred from all Iranian military sites under any deal with world powers, a senior commander in the Revolutionary Guard said Sunday, setting up a possible standoff as negotiators try to reach a final deal.

Gen. Hossein Salami, the Guard's deputy leader, told Iranian state television that allowing foreign inspection of military sites is tantamount to "selling out," raising the stakes as talks between Iran and the six-nation group are to resume April 22 in Vienna. "We will respond with hot lead (bullets) to those who speak of it," Salami said. "Iran will not become a paradise for spies. We will not roll out the red carpet for the enemy."
As far as I am concerned, if this is Tehran's official position, then it is a deal breaker.

Nuclear weapons are under the custody and supervision of the military in every nation that has declared itself to be a nuclear-weapon nation. Iran has long been suspected of running two parallel nuclear programs ... one program for the purpose of generating energy and another separate military program to fabricate nuclear warheads and ballistic delivery systems.

The P5+1 nations are negotiating with Iran for the express purpose of guaranteeing that an Iranian military program to acquire nuclear weapons is impossible under strict parameters and an intrusive inspections regimen for the duration of any mutually accepted deal. This lofty goal however, cannot be achieved without the capability of the IAEA to inspect military facilities suspected of nuclear weapons research or uranium enrichment.

Contrary to what is imagined or purported by some, such inspections are not requested on a whim. The IAEA has many highly sophisticated tools to detect possible activity without entering a facility. They would only request access to a military facility if unequivocal technical/documentary evidence exists which demands an in-depth examination to either verify or dismiss suspicions.

Without this critical capability, any P5+1 deal with Iran is illusion and a sham.
 
This deal was obviousl ill conceived from the start. Kerry is an incompetent boob. End of story.
 
This is clearly just chest-pumping for the locals.

What the generals say means nothing...now if the negotiators (who say what they are told from the leaders) say this, then it's something.

Maybe they will, I dunno.

But what some testosterone-filled Iranian general says means as much as what a testosterone-filled American General says on these matters...next to nothing.
 
This is clearly just chest-pumping for the locals.

What the generals say means nothing...now if the negotiators (who say what they are told from the leaders) say this, then it's something.

Maybe they will, I dunno.

But what some testosterone-filled Iranian general says means as much as what a testosterone-filled American General says on these matters...next to nothing.

Perhaps it is chest thumping, but I wouldn't say that what Generals have to say is nothing. Generals are one of the leading causes of coups.
 
Simpleχity;1064545890 said:
Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites


As far as I am concerned, if this is Tehran's official position, then it is a deal breaker.

Nuclear weapons are under the custody and supervision of the military in every nation that has declared itself to be a nuclear-weapon nation. Iran has long been suspected of running two parallel nuclear programs ... one program for the purpose of generating energy and another separate military program to fabricate nuclear warheads and ballistic delivery systems.

The P5+1 nations are negotiating with Iran for the express purpose of guaranteeing that an Iranian military program to acquire nuclear weapons is impossible under strict parameters and an intrusive inspections regimen for the duration of any mutually accepted deal. This lofty goal however, cannot be achieved without the capability of the IAEA to inspect military facilities suspected of nuclear weapons research or uranium enrichment.

Contrary to what is imagined or purported by some, such inspections are not requested on a whim. The IAEA has many highly sophisticated tools to detect possible activity without entering a facility. They would only request access to a military facility if unequivocal technical/documentary evidence exists which demands an in-depth examination to either verify or dismiss suspicions.

Without this critical capability, any P5+1 deal with Iran is illusion and a sham.

It would certainly be more dangerous than no deal at all. But that could put the international sanctions program in jeopardy leaving the US with some very unpalatable choices.
 
This is clearly just chest-pumping for the locals.

What the generals say means nothing...now if the negotiators (who say what they are told from the leaders) say this, then it's something.

Maybe they will, I dunno.

But what some testosterone-filled Iranian general says means as much as what a testosterone-filled American General says on these matters...next to nothing.

Perhaps it is chest thumping, but I wouldn't say that what Generals have to say is nothing. Generals are one of the leading causes of coups.[/QUOTE]

One would hope you are right. But that might not be the way Iran works, if the past is any guide.
 
But what some testosterone-filled Iranian general says means as much as what a testosterone-filled American General says on these matters...next to nothing.
You can't compare this to a General in the US military. The Iranian Republican Guard Corps (125,000) is an independent arm of the Iranian military. Somewhat reminiscent of how the Nazi SS was independent of the German military. It has its own land/air/sea forces and its main task is not to protect Iran, but to protect the Iranian revolutionary regime. It controls the special operations Quds Force and the civilian Basij militia (90,000). It also has extensive land holdings and owns roughly one-fifth of all Iranian corporate enterprises. The IRGC is *highly influential* at all levels of the Iranian regime.
 
What's this? Obama and Kerry are just back shouting "Peace in our time" and now they're being rebuffed by the people they thought they had a deal with?

Shocking.

Why that never happened before in history....oh wait.
 
it's not like there are any highly placed iranian officials who so object to an agreement that they would say things hoping to undermine it
you know, like highly placed America officials who object to an agreement
 
it's not like there are any highly placed iranian officials who so object to an agreement that they would say things hoping to undermine it
you know, like highly placed America officials who object to an agreement
 
So can we just nuke the Iranians now? Oh wait dammit, there's still Russia and China to deal with and they probably won't let us.

Well, **** the Guard, they're stupid anyway and if Iran was able to acquire a nuke no one would be in trouble except for the Israelis (don't they have nukes themselves?).
 
This is clearly just chest-pumping for the locals.

What the generals say means nothing...now if the negotiators (who say what they are told from the leaders) say this, then it's something.

Maybe they will, I dunno.

But what some testosterone-filled Iranian general says means as much as what a testosterone-filled American General says on these matters...next to nothing.

This "chest thumping for the locals" meme one sees among the left wingers attempting to breath life into Kerry's efforts is an astonishing exercise in wishful thinking. I seriously doubt that the generals would be saying this if the Sayyid Ali Khamenei, Supreme Leader, didn't approve. Khamenei's own comments lend support to the idea that the "framework" is a zombie. Literally none of the important points in negotiations are agreed to at this point. I can't think of no reason for them to insist that there's any sort of agreement at all other than the American politics entailed.
 
it's not like there are any highly placed iranian officials who so object to an agreement that they would say things hoping to undermine it
you know, like highly placed America officials who object to an agreement

Do you have proof that the American side is lying about this? or is it just what political opponents of yours predicted so you have to throw out the lie?...
 
Do you have proof that the American side is lying about this? or is it just what political opponents of yours predicted so you have to throw out the lie?...

lying about what, exactly?
 
lying about what, exactly?

You were implying that American's were lying about the Iranian generals refusing inspection of military sites....I'd like to see your proof of such.

My guess is you don't have any and are talking out of another orifice.
 
You were implying that American's were lying about the Iranian generals refusing inspection of military sites....I'd like to see your proof of such.

My guess is you don't have any and are talking out of another orifice.

my point was that high ranking iranian officials opposed to an agreement would be inclined to speak out in opposition to it just as high ranking American officials would speak out in objection to such an agreement
not surprised something so simple was lost on you
 
Except the power structure doesn't operate that way in Iran. No IRGC General would state such a declaration in public without his message being vetted.
 
So can we just nuke the Iranians now? Oh wait dammit, there's still Russia and China to deal with and they probably won't let us.

Well, **** the Guard, they're stupid anyway and if Iran was able to acquire a nuke no one would be in trouble except for the Israelis (don't they have nukes themselves?).

According to our administration, all options are on the table. Must be a really big table, huh? I can think of a lot of options.
 
This is clearly just chest-pumping for the locals.

What the generals say means nothing...now if the negotiators (who say what they are told from the leaders) say this, then it's something.

Maybe they will, I dunno.

But what some testosterone-filled Iranian general says means as much as what a testosterone-filled American General says on these matters...next to nothing.



Oh?

You are there?

I love how the groveling Obama lovers always "explain" to us dolts what the Iranians are really saying...."death to america" means "hey, bro, 'sup"
 
This "chest thumping for the locals" meme one sees among the left wingers attempting to breath life into Kerry's efforts is an astonishing exercise in wishful thinking. I seriously doubt that the generals would be saying this if the Sayyid Ali Khamenei, Supreme Leader, didn't approve. Khamenei's own comments lend support to the idea that the "framework" is a zombie. Literally none of the important points in negotiations are agreed to at this point. I can't think of no reason for them to insist that there's any sort of agreement at all other than the American politics entailed.


From afar and removed from the media hype I have to ask "what deal?"

I don't see how anything has changed other than Iran has been green lighted and given wads of cash.
 
This is clearly just chest-pumping for the locals.

What the generals say means nothing...now if the negotiators (who say what they are told from the leaders) say this, then it's something.

Maybe they will, I dunno.

But what some testosterone-filled Iranian general says means as much as what a testosterone-filled American General says on these matters...next to nothing.

:doh

1. The IRGC is the body that actually controls the nuclear program. So what they say about it is sort of, well, definitional.

2. This may astonish some of our posters, but Iranian leadership actually cares more about maintaining the support of the populace and elites than they do foreign liberals. If they are going to have a de jure / de facto differential, that differential is going to be designed to appeal to the hardliners, not American doves.




Generally speaking, however, I never cease to be amused by the argument that the Iranians are just a bunch of liars, so therefore we can trust them :lol:
 
This is clearly just chest-pumping for the locals.
it's not like there are any highly placed iranian officials who so object to an agreement that they would say things hoping to undermine it
you know, like highly placed America officials who object to an agreement
Yeah, this one is a bit more concerning. Like Simpleχity said, the Republican Guard is its own influential player and power broker within Iran. Had one of the hardline, conservative Iranian politicians or religious leaders said this, it'd not be as concerning because they're generally on the outs right now. But that it's the Republican Guard saying this ... it's notable.
 
Oh?

You are there?

I love how the groveling Obama lovers always "explain" to us dolts what the Iranians are really saying...."death to america" means "hey, bro, 'sup"

Well, who else are we supposed to believe, our lying ears?
 
0bama will give Iran what they want and remove the sanctions and the rest of the world will not "SNAP" the sanctions back on when Iran refuses the inspections.

The second worst president ever - Jimmy Carter - could have prevented all of this by dropping a bomb on our embassy when the islamo dogs rushed in.

Or he could have sent to VP and a nuclear bomb to Iran and told them to give back our people or lose Tehran.
 
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