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Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

MMC said:
Mornin Cresto. :2wave: Is there a link to that that states the IAEA was forced to leave because War is preferred to peace?
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Of course not MMC. He's changing the subject. Can't defend Fordow? Switch to Iraq.
 
Simpleχity;1064567884 said:
Of course not MMC. He's changing the subject. Can't defend Fordow? Switch to Iraq.
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Well there is no getting around what Bush Jr did......but then, most try to claim that BO and his Team were smarter, more intelligent etc etc. Even after Bush mistakes.....and screw ups. One can see why many will deflect and focus on BO but briefly. Since the discovery that BO isn't and basically lived off others ideas.
 
Simpleχity;1064567884 said:
Of course not MMC. He's changing the subject. Can't defend Fordow? Switch to Iraq.
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You too denying that Bush told them to get out before they had completed their work. Wouldn't have been too handy for a conclusive IAEA report that Iraq had none of the fabled but feared WMD. But the main point of my mentioning this is that the IAEA is just used by the US. With a post Obama GOPer administration, there's little doubt that we'd see similar action in Iran. As to Fordow, I've responded to you on that several times. A, Iran has every reason to believe that Israel will bomb any nuclear program that they have, regardless of a lack of evidence that they are actually constructing nuclear weapons, such is the nature of that paranoid Likud Party. And B, no nation is going to voluntarily open up all of their secrets for you or the freaks in Israel or the neocons in America that are through with Iraq and looking for the next biggest threat to America in order to keep feeding the MIC.
 
MMC said:
I thought we were talking Iran not Iraq. Sorry bout that. Btw ya box is full I can't return. ;)
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We are, as well as the IAEA, which is used by the US when it's to our political advantage and dismissed when not. Sorry about the full box, it's empty now. ;)
 
MMC said:
Well there is no getting around what Bush Jr did......but then, most try to claim that BO and his Team were smarter, more intelligent etc etc. Even after Bush mistakes.....and screw ups. One can see why many will deflect and focus on BO but briefly. Since the discovery that BO isn't and basically lived off others ideas.
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True enough, but that would not be me. In my opinion, Obama's foreign policy is no better than Bush's, and I'd say what he's done in the ME in particular has taken what Bush screwed up, and made matters far worse. I think that honest supporters of Obama will acknowledge their disappointment over Obama in many ways.
 
Montecresto said:
We are, as well as the IAEA, which is used by the US when it's to our political advantage and dismissed when not. Sorry about the full box, it's empty now. ;)
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Well the AEIA just finished up with a report that has some serious concerns. Which they noted. It was Team BO that just ignored that report as well as pulling back on a complaint they filed.

Moreover you always mention Israel......but the fact of the matter is. The Sunni are not going to allow Iran to have a Nuke to threaten them with. Nor to play the innuendo game with them. The Saud will match all Iran has and then what? Plus Egypt will have theirs, then Jordan, Then Qatar and the UAE.

Israel isn't either the Shia nor the Sunnis #1 priority.
 
MMC said:
Well the AEIA just finished up with a report that has some serious concerns. Which they noted. It was Team BO that just ignored that report as well as pulling back on a complaint they filed.

Moreover you always mention Israel......but the fact of the matter is. The Sunni are not going to allow Iran to have a Nuke to threaten them with. Nor to play the innuendo game with them. The Saud will match all Iran has and then what? Plus Egypt will have theirs, then Jordan, Then Qatar and the UAE.

Israel isn't either the Shia nor the Sunnis #1 priority.
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I understand that Israel isn't priority #1, but with that freak in Israel breathing threats and repeating his false claims for twenty five years, I understand Iran's concerns. I've long stated that I would prefer global nuclear eradication, and am disappointed that the US remains the only nuclear power to have used them. But it may be a possibility that Iran has decided that becoming such a power is in their vital interests. I hope not, but as long as things are as ****ed up in the ME, due in large part to Bush/Obama policy (as well as even earlier policies) I can see how many in the region are going to want to hold the security. What I don't buy for a minute is anybody actually using them on anyone else. It's not so hard to do when you're the only nuclear power (1945), but quite different when folk have them pointed back at you. In any event, I'm not hyperventilating over Iran like so many are. I saw the same bull**** about Iraq in 2002/3 and again over Gaddafi in 2011, but it's all bull****.
 
Montecresto said:
I understand that Israel isn't priority #1, but with that freak in Israel breathing threats and repeating his false claims for twenty five years, I understand Iran's concerns.
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What false claims are those?

I've long stated that I would prefer global nuclear eradication, and am disappointed that the US remains the only nuclear power to have used them.
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You want other countries to use nuclear weapons also? Which ones?
 
Montecresto said:
You too denying that Bush told them to get out before they had completed their work.
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Post a link where I ever stated such a thing. You can't ... because nothing of the sort exists. All you're really interested in is diversion from Fordow.

Why divert? Because it's impossible for you to defend Iran with the Fordow-nuclear-elephant running about the china-shop.
 
Grant said:
What false claims are those?

You want other countries to use nuclear weapons also? Which ones?
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That Iran is perpetually a year or three away from having a nuclear weapon.

How does a desire for global nuclear eradication equate in your little mind to a desire for countries to use nukes, hmm?
 
Simpleχity;1064568079 said:
Post a link where I ever stated such a thing. You can't ... because nothing of the sort exists. All you're really interested in is diversion from Fordow.

Why divert? Because it's impossible for you to defend Iran with the Fordow-nuclear-elephant running about the china-shop.
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Where's the diversion? First of all, the US will dispense with the IAEA as soon as it's decided that the bombing must begin, that's been demonstrated. Secondly, I've addressed Fordow multiple times. Here's your last one. There's a freak in Israel that is determined to bomb Iran's nuclear program, it doesn't matter that it's never confirmed that it's for weapons. Do you finally understand why Iran would want to hide it?
 
Montecresto said:
Where's the diversion? First of all, the US will dispense with the IAEA as soon as it's decided that the bombing must begin, that's been demonstrated.
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Amazing. You can also predict the future.

Secondly, I've addressed Fordow multiple times. Here's your last one. There's a freak in Israel that is determined to bomb Iran's nuclear program, it doesn't matter that it's never confirmed that it's for weapons. Do you finally understand why Iran would want to hide it?
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Building Fordow underground for protection from Israel is not the problem.

Hiding it from the IAEA for three years IS the problem.

Iran created this verification problem all by itself. This is why IAEA inspections must be robust.
 
Simpleχity;1064545890 said:
Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites


As far as I am concerned, if this is Tehran's official position, then it is a deal breaker.

Nuclear weapons are under the custody and supervision of the military in every nation that has declared itself to be a nuclear-weapon nation. Iran has long been suspected of running two parallel nuclear programs ... one program for the purpose of generating energy and another separate military program to fabricate nuclear warheads and ballistic delivery systems.

The P5+1 nations are negotiating with Iran for the express purpose of guaranteeing that an Iranian military program to acquire nuclear weapons is impossible under strict parameters and an intrusive inspections regimen for the duration of any mutually accepted deal. This lofty goal however, cannot be achieved without the capability of the IAEA to inspect military facilities suspected of nuclear weapons research or uranium enrichment.

Contrary to what is imagined or purported by some, such inspections are not requested on a whim. The IAEA has many highly sophisticated tools to detect possible activity without entering a facility. They would only request access to a military facility if unequivocal technical/documentary evidence exists which demands an in-depth examination to either verify or dismiss suspicions.

Without this critical capability, any P5+1 deal with Iran is illusion and a sham.
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Well, this imo just confirms that those nuclear sites are more about military power than providing energy for everyone in the country. If a nuclear site is under military control instead of a civilian government control then there is no reason to think that the use for such a site is anything other than what a military would want nuclear power for. And it sure as hell isn't to power their machine guns.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Well, this imo just confirms that those nuclear sites are more about military power than providing energy for everyone in the country. If a nuclear site is under military control instead of a civilian government control then there is no reason to think that the use for such a site is anything other than what a military would want nuclear power for. And it sure as hell isn't to power their machine guns.
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Iran's nuclear program is managed and safeguarded by the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) which is the military protectorate of the Iranian regime.

Excluding suspect military facilities from inspection guarantees Iran safe refuge from the IAEA.
 
Simpleχity;1064572056 said:
Amazing. You can also predict the future.


Building Fordow underground for protection from Israel is not the problem.

Hiding it from the IAEA for three years IS the problem.

Iran created this verification problem all by itself. This is why IAEA inspections must be robust.
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Right, so our governments past dismissal of the IAEA before they finished their work, with an interest in bombing and verifying latter is an indication that it could happen again, you're doing your own fair share of predictions with regards to Iran. As to Furdow, again, secret means................secret.
 
Simpleχity;1064609506 said:
Exactly. Which is yet another Iranian non-compliance issue.
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In which case many a country is non compliant regularly. I suppose that you think that no other countries have treaties or agreements that they secretly are in breach of one way or another. Personally, with that freak in Israel holding on to power, I see Iran has every reason expect a preemptive strike from them regardless, since Netanyahu is untrusting of the P5+1 and the IAEA.
 
Simpleχity;1064609524 said:
Name us one country besides Iran that the IAEA reports is in NPT non-compliance.
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North Korea, Iraq and Libya all were non compliant at one time or another. But I was being general as to non compliance, that being to any number of treaties that governments sign only to covertly non comply. It's not unique to Iraq. But hey, not to worry, congress is in the loop now.
 
Montecresto said:
North Korea, Iraq and Libya all were non compliant at one time or another.
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North Korea withdrew from the NPT in 2001. The 2010 5-year UN NPT Review Conference (UN/RevCon) stated both Iraq and Libya are in NPT compliance.

Yet another fail by you. Iran is currently the only NPT country in non-compliance.
 
In February, the IAEA's report to the Board stated:

...Since the Director General’s previous report, Iran has not provided any explanations that enable the Agency to clarify the two outstanding practical measures. The Agency remains ready to provide Iran with additional questions to facilitate such clarification...

As previously reported, on several occasions since August 2014 the Agency has invited Iran to propose new practical measures that Iran would implement in the next step of the Framework for Cooperation... Iran has not proposed any new practical measures.

https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/gov2015-15.pdf

In 2-3 weeks, the IAEA will have an updated report, though it is not certain whether the public release will be delayed a little. Iran's failure to address the two outstanding practical issues will provide additional insight into whether Iran is committed to a peaceful nuclear program and working toward a viable nuclear agreement. News reports since February have provided no indications that Iran has moved to resolve the two issues, so odds probably favor a lack of such resolution. At the same time, Iran has continued to insist on exempting sites from IAEA nuclear inspection, which represents a serious impediment to verifiability.
 
Simpleχity;1064609638 said:
North Korea withdrew from the NPT in 2001. The 2010 5-year UN NPT Review Conference (UN/RevCon) stated both Iraq and Libya are in NPT compliance.

Yet another fail by you. Iran is currently the only NPT country in non-compliance.
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I said that they have been in non compliance, no fail.
 
donsutherland1 said:
In February, the IAEA's report to the Board stated:

...Since the Director General’s previous report, Iran has not provided any explanations that enable the Agency to clarify the two outstanding practical measures. The Agency remains ready to provide Iran with additional questions to facilitate such clarification...

As previously reported, on several occasions since August 2014 the Agency has invited Iran to propose new practical measures that Iran would implement in the next step of the Framework for Cooperation... Iran has not proposed any new practical measures.

https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/gov2015-15.pdf

In 2-3 weeks, the IAEA will have an updated report, though it is not certain whether the public release will be delayed a little. Iran's failure to address the two outstanding practical issues will provide additional insight into whether Iran is committed to a peaceful nuclear program and working toward a viable nuclear agreement. News reports since February have provided no indications that Iran has moved to resolve the two issues, so odds probably favor a lack of such resolution. At the same time, Iran has continued to insist on exempting sites from IAEA nuclear inspection, which represents a serious impediment to verifiability.
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To the bolded, does that mean that Iran hasn't proposed any new measures? Practical can be in the eye of the beholder.
 
Chamberlin meets with Hitler then goes back to England with a piece of paper in his hands to displays to the cameras. I just got done using some paper myself and it went where that paper and the deal with Iran should go.
 
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