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Re: The cop who wouldn’t shoot: Bodycam video shows Ohio officer holding fire as murd

Uncommonly brave of him, given that he was dealing with a possibly-armed murder suspect.
 
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He has my respect. Too many cops are too unwilling to take the least bit of risk with their own lives. THey would use the excuse of the unknown to have killed that man.

"Maybe he had a gun on him"
"Maybe if we got into a struggle he would have been able to disarm me and kill me"

But this cop didn't play the maybe he game. If the perp did have a weapon it wasn't drawn and pointed at the cop. The cop knew he had backup close by so even if the perp and he ended up in a brawl the cop knew he would have the advantage. He read the situation and was willing to take a little bit of risk in order to take the perp alive.

That is the kind of cop I want policing my streets.
 
Re: The cop who wouldn’t shoot: Bodycam video shows Ohio officer holding fire as murd

Uncommonly brave of him, given that he was dealing with a possibly-armed murder suspect.

I think the cop sensed that the suspect was attempting to commit suicide by cop.
 
Re: The cop who wouldn’t shoot: Bodycam video shows Ohio officer holding fire as murd

He has my respect. Too many cops are too unwilling to take the least bit of risk with their own lives. THey would use the excuse of the unknown to have killed that man.

"Maybe he had a gun on him"
"Maybe if we got into a struggle he would have been able to disarm me and kill me"

But this cop didn't play the maybe he game. If the perp did have a weapon it wasn't drawn and pointed at the cop. The cop knew he had backup close by so even if the perp and he ended up in a brawl the cop knew he would have the advantage. He read the situation and was willing to take a little bit of risk in order to take the perp alive.

That is the kind of cop I want policing my streets.

Lots of good Officers, problem is we do not see it on the news.
 
Re: The cop who wouldn’t shoot: Bodycam video shows Ohio officer holding fire as murd

Good. Police should not be firing on anyone who isn't firing themselves.

"Possibly armed" isn't anywhere close to good enough.
 
Re: The cop who wouldn’t shoot: Bodycam video shows Ohio officer holding fire as murd

Good. Police should not be firing on anyone who isn't firing themselves.

"Possibly armed" isn't anywhere close to good enough.

It depends on the circumstances. It takes no time to pull a concealed gun and shoot a cop. Due to the tight limits place on when a cop can shoot, they are trained to respond rapidly if they perceive someone is about to shoot them. Any suspect making sudden movies that could be construed as pulling a gun in effect invite the cop to rightfully respond with lethal force. That's why it's best to comply with the cop until he sorts out what is going on.
 
Re: The cop who wouldn’t shoot: Bodycam video shows Ohio officer holding fire as murd

He has my respect. Too many cops are too unwilling to take the least bit of risk with their own lives. THey would use the excuse of the unknown to have killed that man.

"Maybe he had a gun on him"
"Maybe if we got into a struggle he would have been able to disarm me and kill me"

But this cop didn't play the maybe he game. If the perp did have a weapon it wasn't drawn and pointed at the cop. The cop knew he had backup close by so even if the perp and he ended up in a brawl the cop knew he would have the advantage. He read the situation and was willing to take a little bit of risk in order to take the perp alive.

That is the kind of cop I want policing my streets.

Yeah, cops who will soon be dead.
 
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“Law enforcement officers all across the nation have to deal with split-second decisions that mean life or death,” Kidder said. “I wanted to be absolutely sure before I used deadly force.”

And that is exactly how it should be. Props to him.
 
Re: The cop who wouldn’t shoot: Bodycam video shows Ohio officer holding fire as murd

It depends on the circumstances. It takes no time to pull a concealed gun and shoot a cop. Due to the tight limits place on when a cop can shoot, they are trained to respond rapidly if they perceive someone is about to shoot them. Any suspect making sudden movies that could be construed as pulling a gun in effect invite the cop to rightfully respond with lethal force. That's why it's best to comply with the cop until he sorts out what is going on.

That's not rightful. Police should not fire until fired upon. That is the standard we should employ. They continually demonstrate that they cannot accurately determine danger, and keep killing unarmed people. As agents of the government, police have no business executing people without due process. Their own subjective (and frequently wrong) opinion is nowhere near enough to constitute that. Without someone actually firing bullets at the cop or at someone else, police have no business doing the same.
 
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i try not to bitch about cops too much, because i suspect they have one of the hardest jobs. i do bitch when they do something really bad, though, so i should comment on this story in order to be fair.

this officer showed a lot of courage and restraint, and is obviously intelligent and able to come up with a good strategy, even in the heat of the moment. well done, and kudos.
 
Re: The cop who wouldn’t shoot: Bodycam video shows Ohio officer holding fire as murd

He didn't shoot because he didn't want to have his life ruined by media sharks and community activists (mostly race baiters) who prefer prejudging someone before knowing the entire story.
 
Re: The cop who wouldn’t shoot: Bodycam video shows Ohio officer holding fire as murd

That's not rightful. Police should not fire until fired upon. That is the standard we should employ. They continually demonstrate that they cannot accurately determine danger, and keep killing unarmed people. As agents of the government, police have no business executing people without due process. Their own subjective (and frequently wrong) opinion is nowhere near enough to constitute that. Without someone actually firing bullets at the cop or at someone else, police have no business doing the same.

I disagree. Sometimes the difference between a cop living or losing his life is a split second decision. If a cop has to wait for a shot fired at him before he can return fire, he could be a dead man and for no good reason. He should not have to give up his life for the sake of certainty. Kudos to the cop mentioned in this thread for his bravery, however had he shot the man, it would have been a justified shooting.
 
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I disagree. Sometimes the difference between a cop living or losing his life is a split second decision. If a cop has to wait for a shot fired at him before he can return fire, he could be a dead man and for no good reason. He should not have to give up his life for the sake of certainty. Kudos to the cop mentioned in this thread for his bravery, however had he shot the man, it would have been a justified shooting.

And the difference between an innocent person living or losing their life is a split second decision by a cop. No agent of the government should be permitted to make a split second decision to execute anyone. If a cop can't handle that responsibility, then he's in the wrong line of work.
 
Re: The cop who wouldn’t shoot: Bodycam video shows Ohio officer holding fire as murd

And the difference between an innocent person living or losing their life is a split second decision by a cop. No agent of the government should be permitted to make a split second decision to execute anyone. If a cop can't handle that responsibility, then he's in the wrong line of work.

You are not being realistic. Cya later.
 
Re: The cop who wouldn’t shoot: Bodycam video shows Ohio officer holding fire as murd

And the difference between an innocent person living or losing their life is a split second decision by a cop. No agent of the government should be permitted to make a split second decision to execute anyone. If a cop can't handle that responsibility, then he's in the wrong line of work.

This cop was able to get away with not firing at the charging suspect, but in reality, that, more times than not does not end up well...The only reason for you to not want police to protect themselves is a disrespect for law, and police...He was lucky, and I suspect dressed down by his superiors for not following procedure.
 
Re: The cop who wouldn’t shoot: Bodycam video shows Ohio officer holding fire as murd

Courage.

Cop haz it.
 
Re: The cop who wouldn’t shoot: Bodycam video shows Ohio officer holding fire as murd

This cop was able to get away with not firing at the charging suspect, but in reality, that, more times than not does not end up well...The only reason for you to not want police to protect themselves is a disrespect for law, and police...He was lucky, and I suspect dressed down by his superiors for not following procedure.

Psst, he's a socialist.
 
Re: The cop who wouldn’t shoot: Bodycam video shows Ohio officer holding fire as murd

That's not rightful. Police should not fire until fired upon. That is the standard we should employ. They continually demonstrate that they cannot accurately determine danger, and keep killing unarmed people. As agents of the government, police have no business executing people without due process. Their own subjective (and frequently wrong) opinion is nowhere near enough to constitute that. Without someone actually firing bullets at the cop or at someone else, police have no business doing the same.


Then you will have a lot of dead police officers.
 
Re: The cop who wouldn’t shoot: Bodycam video shows Ohio officer holding fire as murd

Courage.

Cop haz it.

Would he have been courageous or stupid if his restraint lead to his death?
 
Re: The cop who wouldn’t shoot: Bodycam video shows Ohio officer holding fire as murd

Wrong weapon drawn. Never pull a weapon you arent prepared to use. His saving grace came when the other officers arrived. Until that point, the officer was not in control of that situation.

Not saying he should have shot and killed him. Saying he shouldnt have drawn a gun if he wasnt ready and prepared to use it. As soon as he fell he was vulnerable. Had the other two cars not arrived at that point the suspect would have been on top of him grappling with him for a loaded and charged weapon.
 
Re: The cop who wouldn’t shoot: Bodycam video shows Ohio officer holding fire as murd

There was no independent video to corroborate the bodycam account (which police depts. can easily doctor).

We just don't know what happened, so it's silly to draw conclusions.
 
Re: The cop who wouldn’t shoot: Bodycam video shows Ohio officer holding fire as murd

He has my respect. Too many cops are too unwilling to take the least bit of risk with their own lives. THey would use the excuse of the unknown to have killed that man.

"Maybe he had a gun on him"
"Maybe if we got into a struggle he would have been able to disarm me and kill me"

But this cop didn't play the maybe he game. If the perp did have a weapon it wasn't drawn and pointed at the cop. The cop knew he had backup close by so even if the perp and he ended up in a brawl the cop knew he would have the advantage. He read the situation and was willing to take a little bit of risk in order to take the perp alive.

That is the kind of cop I want policing my streets.

Not me.

The difference between "bravery" and being stupid in situations like those is usually determined by how it ended.

Personally, the cop should of "saved the taxpayers some money" when given a legal and logical chance to do so.
 
Re: The cop who wouldn’t shoot: Bodycam video shows Ohio officer holding fire as murd

Would he have been courageous or stupid if his restraint lead to his death?

Courageous.
 
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