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Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

I'll try again .....

Why would this African hunt 'culmination' you speak of have to be a kill rather than a photo or perhaps even a boresighted laser shot proving your skill ?



So your objection is the kill... yet you admit having others kill animals for your pleasure (your meals).


See a bit of a problem there? A teeny-weeny contradiction? A hint of hypocrisy?
 
You haven't tried it, don't knock it. :)

That's your rebuttal?

You could say that about anything.

'Crack cocaine? You haven't tried it, don't knock it.'

'Murder? You haven't tried it, don't knock it.'
 
That wasn't an answer it was another evasion :roll:



Fine. The kill is part of it.

Not the whole, nor necessarily even the most important part, but part of it.


Now answer my question above.
 
I'll try again .....

Why would this African hunt 'culmination' you speak of have to be a kill rather than a photo or perhaps even a boresighted laser shot proving your skill ?

For one.. it would not meet the conservation goals that hunting provides.

Two: Animals are tasty.. and I can't feed my family on a photograph. I can however, feed them antelope steaks.. that I grilled to perfection (if I do say so myself), which I did last night...

Its one of the boys favorite foods by the way.. and they are proud that they contributed to the freezer last year. Come to think about it.. they contributed more than me.. since I spent my time helping them hunt and only pulled a trigger once on big game.

So I have a choice.. I can feed them meat from a naturally occurring, naturally produced sustainable wild game population that lives in a natural habitat.. OR I can feed them some processed food that required intensive agriculture, large consumption of fossil fuels, and habitat destruction galore.

I choose the environmentally friendly way to feed my family... how about you?
 
So your objection is the kill... yet you admit having others kill animals for your pleasure (your meals).
See a bit of a problem there? A teeny-weeny contradiction? A hint of hypocrisy?

I'm still waiting for your answer. I'm certainly not prepared to engage in your attempted deflection. This isn't about food
 
So your objection is the kill... yet you admit having others kill animals for your pleasure (your meals).


See a bit of a problem there? A teeny-weeny contradiction? A hint of hypocrisy?

No, it's religion. His is a crusade against things he doesn't like, and is so fervent about it that it excuses death wishes against human beings.

I don't know, but it seems a lot like Westboro Baptist tactics to me.
 
That's your rebuttal?

You could say that about anything.

'Crack cocaine? You haven't tried it, don't knock it.'

'Murder? You haven't tried it, don't knock it.'



Jump in right in the middle without reading what came before and make assumptions and inane posts why doncha? Because this thread could certainly use more nonsense.
 
So, flogger... have you prepared an answer for why it is okay for others to kill animals FOR you, so that you can have fun and enjoy a nice steak dinner with your mates...


... but it is someone wrong when others kill animals themselves (even when the animals are eaten)?

It is wrong (imo)...that's why I don't eat anything I am not prepared to kill myself.
 
I'm still waiting for your answer. I'm certainly not prepared to engage in your attempted deflection. This isn't about food


I answered. Now you answer.

How is it okay for you to get others to do your killing for you, for your pleasure (eating nice meats), but it ISN'T okay for me to do my own killing for the same end?
 
No, it's religion. His is a crusade against things he doesn't like, and is so fervent about it that it excuses death wishes against human beings.

I don't know, but it seems a lot like Westboro Baptist tactics to me.

Do you play any other records because this ones got stuck :lol:
 
Yes, but folk keep bringing poaching into this, which isn't the topic of the thread, and I was pointing out, I'm already opposed to poaching, so it doesn't need to be pointed to as a problem. At any rate, the African elephant is under too much pressure from it to be hunting them "legally" right now.


That's the point.. hunting legally reduces the pressure from poaching for a variety of reasons.

You keep ignoring the evidence already presented to you. A ban on all hunting and poaching... fewer animals..

Allow legal hunting.. animal numbers improve.

that's the evidence. I already gave you the citations.
 
I'm still waiting for your answer. I'm certainly not prepared to engage in your attempted deflection. This isn't about food

These animals are eaten, so it is. The money goes to the game preserves and to employ wardens and help protect against poachers, so it helps conservation efforts as well.

Just because it makes your argument easier to say it's not about food or conservation, doesn't make it so.
 
I choose not to engage in deflection.

If by deflection, you mean you choose not to admit your hypocrisy. Go answer Goshin's question...
 
Jump in right in the middle without reading what came before and make assumptions and inane posts why doncha? Because this thread could certainly use more nonsense.

Lol...I see you are big on evasion...I have seen you do it four times already in this thread and I have only read 5 of your posts so far.

So noted.


:roll:

We are done here.

Good day.
 
I answered. Now you answer.

No you haven't you've deflected . Why is the killing ultimately so important given you can exercise all your hunting skills and expertise as I suggested without actually doing it ? Its a simple enough question really
 
Do you play any other records because this ones got stuck :lol:

When your arguments produce more than the same tired crap they've been saying from the start, then I'll have to change me retorts. But since you are regurgitating the same arguments, I don't need to change.

This is just a personal preferernce on your side. You don't like hunting, so you come down on these hunters, going so far as to wish for their deaths, and ignore all data, all statistic, all argument that shows that these preserves run their hunting in a very regulated and controlled manner that is in line with the conservation of the animal, that the animal meat does go to use, that the money does go to conservation measures.

Everything you've every stated since post one in this thread has been your evangelical condemnation of hunting and the ignoring of fact. So no, I do not need to play you any other record until you change yours.
 
No you haven't you've deflected . Why is the killing ultimately so important given you can exercise all your hunting skills and expertise as I suggested without actually doing it ? Its a simple enough question really



I answered.


Fine. The kill is part of it.

Not the whole, nor necessarily even the most important part, but part of it.


Now answer my question above.


Now you answer.
 
No you haven't you've deflected . Why is the killing ultimately so important given you can exercise all your hunting skills and expertise as I suggested without actually doing it ? Its a simple enough question really

It is a simple question.

The answer seems obvious...it's either tradition and/or kill lust.

Both answers are lame and sad, imo.
 
It is a simple question.

The answer seems obvious...it's either tradition and/or kill lust.

Both answers are lame and sad, imo.

When you pin them down on this point they just circle the wagons and go into denial
 
I think five dodges must be some kind of record in my time here



Not a chance until you man up with a response


You're one to talk, Mr I-get-others-to-do-my-killing-for-me.

But fine. You want an answer, you get it.


Making the kill is the culmination of the hunt. If you can't pull the trigger and make the kill, you're not hunting you're viewing wildlife.

The kill is proof that you can steady your nerves, maintain your control, pull the trigger and take a life, so that others can eat of what you kill. It is a recognition of our existence as predators, that we live through the demise of lesser creatures.

If you can't make the kill when you have the opportunity, then you're not hunting. Not making the kill is like not playing a sport to win.


Now, you explain why it is okay for others to kill animals for your pleasure while you judge those who do their own killing.
 
I think five dodges must be some kind of record in my time here



Not a chance until you man up with a response

Man, nothing but deflections here. Why can't you answer a question?
 
It got quiet all the sudden. :)
 
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