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Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

Yes but those that climbed Everest risked their own lives they didn't target endangered species for sick fun. :(



You call it sick fun, others call it sport. Rhinos are dangerous in case you haven't heard. I'm assuming it was a legal hunt, with the proper licenses and permissions... if the animal is really endangered why were they issued?


Many people consider climbing Everest to be stupid. After all it is risky, and if something happens you end up endangering the lives of rescue workers who may have to come try to save you. Matter of perspective.
 
If money talks they can give to conservationist charities. If they are really concerned with conservation then become game keepers or veterinarians working in situ. Its the killing they really want

Your version of what is right is worthless to me. I have no use for the Bambists mentality. I say more power to hunters who engage in hunting legally. And if it upsets lefties-so much better. The constantly offended crowd makes me laugh
 
I am sure there are considerably greater millions that do :(



I rather doubt it. The vast majority of people are indifferent to most issues that aren't in their back yard.


But in any case I don't really care much what anti-hunters think. As you've demonstrated their views are based less on logic, fact and reason that on emotionalism.
 
You call it sick fun, others call it sport.

Killing endangered African animals for trophies isn't a 'sport' that many would recognise as morally legitimate

Rhinos are dangerous in case you haven't heard.

Then leave them alone

I'm assuming it was a legal hunt, with the proper licenses and permissions... if the animal is really endangered why were they issued?

And to a 13 year old too. Which perhaps says a lot more about the government that clearly issued them for profit :shock:
 
And to a 13 year old too. Which perhaps says a lot more about the government that clearly issued them for profit :shock:



I don't get why you're hung up on the girl being 13.
 
Killing endangered African animals for trophies isn't a 'sport' that many would recognise as morally legitimate



Then leave them alone



And to a 13 year old too. Which perhaps says a lot more about the government that clearly issued them for profit :shock:



why do you keep fibbing? you make the specious claim they are endangered

and that assumes you know more about the situation than the AUTHORITIES in the country in question

what exactly do you have in credentials that allows you to countermand the views of people who actually are charged with the administration of game laws,.

and your silly rant about hunter's ages is worthless

we get the idea you don't like hunting

we already know you want to ban Americans from owning guns

we just don't find your arguments to have any merit

and your standing to whine about other nations is rather thin
 
Your version of what is right is worthless to me. I have no use for the Bambists mentality. I say more power to hunters who engage in hunting legally. And if it upsets lefties-so much better. The constantly offended crowd makes me laugh

So I'm a Lefty now too :lol: Have you any other smears or labels in your arsenal ?

If something is wrong I will call it out as such even if it offends your morally ambiguous sensibilities on this issue.
 
It turns out that I made the mistake in posting my first Rhino picture. My bad

This is in fact the one she shot dead and was her first kill .... at the age of 13 !!!

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If anything this makes it even worse. Why would any child want to do this ? :(

Again.. please provide a link to the story behind this.

However, Why would a child want to do this? Because hunting is an awesome lifestyle.. and if it was a rhino that she killed.. (which I again doubt.. but possible that many years ago).. it was likely done legally
And probably as a result of a conservation reason... for example.. it may have been a hunt to reduce overpopulation.. etc.

Gee.. why would someone want to do this? That's easy... except hard to understand from someone like yourself that has no understanding what hunting is about , nor desires to have any understanding what hunting is about.
You think its all about killing. Which I have offered objective proof that its not. Not only because the success rate is so abysmally low... but also because hunters have a code of ethics that almost all hunters adhere to when it comes to fair chase.. and what animals can be killed. Sometimes that even runs counter to science at times. In NY for example.. game biologists wanted to take more does, and decrease the population since it was approaching dangerous levels. It was very hard to convince many hunters that taking a doe was acceptable. That's because hunters would rather forego killing an animal rather than potentially harm the population of deer.
If killing was the only thing about hunting.. then hunters would have rejoiced.. but the reality is that feared taking too many does and hurting the population.
That's a fact.

So.. back to why a child would want to do this. Well.. I will speak from experience since my children just entered the age (10) where they can hunt big game. A lot of it is because of the memories and time spent with me. To prepare for my sons first big game hunt.. we spent many a day.. working on how to be quiet, how to use the wind to stalk, how to use the topography of the land to your best advantage. We spent time hiking with packs to get used to climbing hills, They spent time with me learning knife skills so that they can properly take care of the animal if they get one. And of course.. that's something that's a right of passage. If you kill it.. you clean it.
THEN there is the time spent learning the weapon.. learning how to make a clean kill with one shot. Many a day spent on the range practicing and getting to know their equipment and their limitations.

And then that culminates in the hunt. Because of the differing states I hunt in and times.. the first big game hunt for my youngest was a bull elk hunt. We hunted hard for elk. Putting in day after day.. three day weekends for a month and a half. 7 to 10 miles a day.. in some of the toughest terrain that the rocky mountains have to offer. And not one complaint from my youngest. We saw tons of animals.. just no elk. We saw wolves, coyotes, so many different species of birds, fox, we saw mink.., and some deer a long way off. And the most beautiful views.. that most people will never ever see. And on the last day of the season.. Rain and snow pouring down on us.. abut 6 miles from the truck.. we sneak into a valley and find a small group of elk. They get nervous and stand up from their beds.. I see a spike..and try to get my son on him when a beautiful 6 point bull stands up and tilts his head back and scratched his butt with his antlers. They ended up moving off without a shot. I asked my son why he never got the rifle off his shoulder and he said "Dad it was so exciting that I forgot I had a rifle!"..

Now.. I am sure you don't understand that experience.. and how it affects the relationship of me and my sons.... and the memories that they will have that will be better than ANY television show they watch, or ball game they go to, or any video game they will play. Not to mention the all the practical life experiences they learn. Like perseverance, patience and responsibility.
 
Incidentally I've done a little digging.


The dead Rhino in the pic is most likely a Southern White Rhino, which is not listed as "Endangered".
 
I don't get why you're hung up on the girl being 13.

Because it goes against the anti hunting view that the only people that would hunt are " Neanderthal, "Marlboro Men"....
 
So I'm a Lefty now too :lol: Have you any other smears or labels in your arsenal ?

If something is wrong I will call it out as such even if it offends your morally ambiguous sensibilities on this issue.

Nothing you posts offends me. I am just laughing at Brits who think they know more about game environments in foreign countries than the officials charged with dealing with game issues in those countries
 
Because it goes against the anti hunting view that the only people that would hunt are " Neanderthal, "Marlboro Men"....

It all boils down to the fact that you think killing for fun is right and I think that is wrong on the most basic and fundamental of levels. Clearly we are never going to bridge that morality gap
 
It all boils down to the fact that you think killing for fun is right and I think that is wrong on the most basic and fundamental of levels. Clearly we are never going to bridge that morality gap


Any more than you have the capacity to realize that the killing part is just one component of the whole and far from the primary "fun" of it.

We've already established that you know not whereof you speak. You don't understand hunting's role in conservation; you apparently didn't know that there are Rhino species NOT on the Endangered list...


... and you still haven't explained why the fact of it being a 13yo girl seems to bother you more than anything.
 
... and you still haven't explained why the fact of it being a 13yo girl seems to bother you more than anything.

And the fact that a child killing such animals for fun doesn't bother you at all speaks volumes.
 
Some people just don't get it, apparently.


For probably the same reasons they wouldn't "get" why....

I taught every female in my extended family how to fight dirty and shoot guns, typically when they were around 12-14yo...
I taught my son how to hunt, fish, survive in the woods, and how to fight, shoot and otherwise defend himself from early childhood...
Why I have a collection of various weapons, from swords and tomahawks to pistols and military rifles and know how to use them all...

and couldn't possibly understand how all that relates to why I keep fire extinguishers and stored food on hand, have a secondary water supply other than city water, or why I keep heirloom seeds for produce...


It's mainly about self-reliance and not being dependent on others for the basics of life.
 
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And the fact that a child killing such animals for fun doesn't bother you at all speaks volumes.


That's still not an explanation. It is merely an assumption that your view is "normal" and mine is aberrant without explaining why.

And again you're focusing on the killing without considering all the other factors involved.
 
So they are out there killing elephants to boost their egos and now they are upset when an elephant killed one of them?
I hope other barbarians like that will think twice before trying to kill an innocent animal.
You hunt and kill for food it you have to, not because you think you want to have some fun.
 
So they are out there killing elephants to boost their egos and now they are upset when an elephant killed one of them?
I hope other barbarians like that will think twice before trying to kill an innocent animal.
You hunt and kill for food it you have to, not because you think you want to have some fun.



Actually it is a known and accepted risk that when you hunt dangerous animals, there's a chance they might kill or injure you. It is news, but it's not like hunters are going "OMG, that is outrageous, how dare that elephant do that..." Heh, no. The risk is actually part of the draw.

Animals kill animals all the time. It is part of nature, So are we.

If you ever NEED to hunt for food, and have never hunted before, you're probably going to go hungry. It is a skillset. Therefore practice is advisable. As for my family, we eat what we kill.
 
Actually it is a known and accepted risk that when you hunt dangerous animals, there's a chance they might kill or injure you. It is news, but it's not like hunters are going "OMG, that is outrageous, how dare that elephant do that..." Heh, no. The risk is actually part of the draw.

Animals kill animals all the time. It is part of nature, So are we.

If you ever NEED to hunt for food, and have never hunted before, you're probably going to go hungry. It is a skillset. Therefore practice is advisable. As for my family, we eat what we kill.

I don't understand why anyone wants to kill an elephant or other non food animals, just for sport.
 
I don't understand why anyone wants to kill an elephant or other non food animals, just for sport.


My understanding is the elephant is indeed eaten, by the locals.

Most hunters will never get a chance to hunt in Africa... too expensive. For those few who can afford it, it is like the climbing-Mt-Everest of hunting.

The draw of hunting elephants is they are the largest land animal extant, they are smart and potentially dangerous, and hard to kill. This means they are a challenge... also it is something very few people ever get to attempt. Rarity factor is also a draw.

It's not something that I will ever get the chance to do, and I'm not certain I would if I did, but I understand the appeal.


Personally I don't hunt for sport, I hunt for food. I was raised not to kill anything we weren't going to eat.

As I've been trying to explain to someone else, it isn't about the killing... it is about the experience and the challenge.
 
As I've been trying to explain to someone else, it isn't about the killing... it is about the experience and the challenge.

So go do all that and then shoot it ..... with a camera.
 
You've already been linked it and her quoted admission that it was her first kill

No.. I want the particulars around the rhino pictured and the hunt. "Her first kill".. means nothing...

As when you posted a picture of her with a rhino and it was actually tranquilized.
 
So go do all that and then shoot it ..... with a camera.



There are people who do that. They're called "wildlife photographers" not hunters.
 
Some people just don't get it, apparently.


For probably the same reasons they wouldn't "get" why....

I taught every female in my extended family how to fight dirty and shoot guns, typically when they were around 12-14yo...
I taught my son how to hunt, fish, survive in the woods, and how to fight, shoot and otherwise defend himself from early childhood...
Why I have a collection of various weapons, from swords and tomahawks to pistols and military rifles and know how to use them all...

and couldn't possibly understand how all that relates to why I keep fire extinguishers and stored food on hand, have a secondary water supply other than city water, or why I keep heirloom seeds for produce...


It's mainly about self-reliance and not being dependent on others for the basics of life.

I love all of that!
 
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