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Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

If you respected all life, you wouldn't have wished that it was that girl that died. That's just callous, Me vs. Them behaviorism that has been with man since we climbed out of the trees.

I've already made my point multiple times to you now. Given your faux outrage repeating it again will obviously serve no purpose
 
And by all means continue to wish for the death of hunters, something completely indefensible and whitewash your Neanderthal motivations all you want.
Again, hold on...if the sport is human v. animal in a duel to the death, what is wrong with siding for the animal? It is not as if the animal is the instigator.
 
"Jones says her first kill was a rare African white rhino, part of her quest to bag the Big 5 African game animals (rhino, elephant, Cape buffalo, leopard and lion)"


Texas cheerleader who shared images of exotic animals she had killed 'has received a death threat from Real Housewives' Joanna Krupa' | Daily Mail Online



BS. There are far too few of these creatures left extant anywhere for their numbers to be an issue



Dress it up anyway you like if it makes you feel better. Killing endangered Rhino's and Leopards has nothing whatsoever to do with conservation. Just the love of killing for fun in order to 'bag the big five' as she put it

Sick :(

Yeah.. you might want to read the article you linked to. I was right and you were wrong.

One particular photo, in which she posed alongside an extremely endangered rhinoceros, had her critics especially steaming, but the Texas Tech cheerleader says it was alive and well.

'The vet drew blood, took DNA samples, took body and head measurements, treated a leg injury and administered antibiotics. I felt very lucky to be part of such a great program and procedure that helps the White Rhino population through conservation,' she wrote.


Read more: Texas cheerleader who shared images of exotic animals she had killed 'has received a death threat from Real Housewives' Joanna Krupa' | Daily Mail Online
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Her hunting the rhino is part of a conservation program bringing the rhino back from borderline extinction....

But hey.. lets not let facts get in the way of our emotional issues now shall we.

Now.. don't you feel just a little bit foolish?
 
Again, hold on...if the sport is human v. animal in a duel to the death, what is wrong with siding for the animal? It is not as if the animal is the instigator.

Indeed. The human chose to try and kill the animal for fun after all. The animal wasn't given the choice of whether it wanted to play along
 
I've already made my point multiple times to you now. Given your faux outrage repeating it again will obviously serve no purpose

You haven't made any point other than you don't like this behavior, you don't think it should exist, you'll denigrate everyone involved and not listen to and fact or statistic, and go so far as to say that it's too bad that woman wasn't the one killed.
 
Again, hold on...if the sport is human v. animal in a duel to the death, what is wrong with siding for the animal? It is not as if the animal is the instigator.

So if a child gets charged by a bull during a cattle round up ... you root for the bull?
 
Her hunting the rhino is part of a conservation program bringing the rhino back from borderline extinction....

Great so if thats her primary concern then why isn't she a game warden or veterinarian out there then ? She isn't because she would then have no trophy head to put on the wall which is of course her true motivation

Now ... don't you feel just a little bit foolish ?
 
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Again, hold on...if the sport is human v. animal in a duel to the death, what is wrong with siding for the animal? It is not as if the animal is the instigator.

I mean, yeah you can Roman Colosseum it. But I don't think it's necessarily good to be gleeful over human death. Other's disagree, they are entitled to their opinion, but to forsake humanity for some vengeful political points on hunting is, IMO (which I am also entitled to), rather sick.
 
So if a child gets charged by a bull during a cattle round up ... you root for the bull?

No you prosecute the parent for the reckless endangerment of the child. What has that to do with anything here ?
 
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I mean, yeah you can Roman Colosseum it. But I don't think it's necessarily good to be gleeful over human death. Other's disagree, they are entitled to their opinion, but to forsake humanity for some vengeful political points on hunting is, IMO (which I am also entitled to), rather sick.
How in the hell is "the sake of humanity" tied up in sport killing? You keep dancing around the points, which is what you always do. Here in AZ, we had a yocal go out in the desert and shoot up some Saguaro....which then collapsed and killed the cacti hunter. Sorry for the family, but it is the cycle of life (!!), survival of the fitest, something I thought you libs were all hot n bothered 'bout.
 
How in the hell is "the sake of humanity" tied up in sport killing? You keep dancing around the points, which is what you always do. Here in AZ, we had a yocal go out in the desert and shoot up some Saguaro....which then collapsed and killed the cacti hunter. Sorry for the family, but it is the cycle of life (!!), survival of the fitest, something I thought you libs were all hot n bothered 'bout.

Forsaking the humanity of an individual to cheer for an animal over the human. I'm not faulting the elephant in the OP, but at the same accord I'm sad the dude died, loss of human life tends to be a bad thing. But when various people gloat and say "He deserved it" or "good" or the various other barbaric retorts to loss of human life (not saying you did, but some have), I think (as a matter of personal opinion) that it's rather sick.
 
Forsaking the humanity of an individual to cheer for an animal over the human. I'm not faulting the elephant in the OP, but at the same accord I'm sad the dude died, loss of human life tends to be a bad thing. But when various people gloat and say "He deserved it" or "good" or the various other barbaric retorts to loss of human life (not saying you did, but some have), I think (as a matter of personal opinion) that it's rather sick.
I asked you earlier, you ignored....what is more "barbaric", the human killing for "sport" or the animal killing in self defense? Go ahead and dance your jig again.
 
I asked you earlier, you ignored....what is more "barbaric", the human killing for "sport" or the animal killing in self defense? Go ahead and dance your jig again.

I don't know if either would really be "barbaric". Humans do lots of things for sport, and if their hunting practices are within legal means, within conservation means, and tools are used to not torture or prolong death of the animal, I wouldn't call it barbaric. The animal reacting is just an animal reacting, not sure you could call that barbaric either.
 
I think you will find most hunters will agree with me on this... what you are doing is anthropomorphizing.

By the way.. I have cows and pigs that have learned how to open gates... so your argument that "only dumb animals" should be hunted or used as food.. is pretty invalid.

Why do you think its fundamentally wrong to hunt an animal that's cunning and smart? Seriously.. I want to understand you logic on this one. Where does your rationale end? You say you hunt... well deer are smarter than butterflies.. do you really think we need to have a IQ test before an animal can be hunted?

Personally, I think it comes down to science etc and proper conservation management.

I think it comes down to science. We should not hunt animals that are self aware. By doing so you only exclude Chimps, Orangatans, Gorillas, Dolphins, some Whales and Elephants.
 
I don't know if either would really be "barbaric". Humans do lots of things for sport, and if their hunting practices are within legal means, within conservation means, and tools are used to not torture or prolong death of the animal, I wouldn't call it barbaric. The animal reacting is just an animal reacting, not sure you could call that barbaric either.
Got it, killing endangered animals for "sport" is not "barbaric", it is "civilized"....from the human perspective.

Most folks would recognize that civilization is defined by the ending of hunter-gathering and moving to farming. Hunting is a throwback to an uncivilized human past.
 
Got it, killing endangered animals for "sport" is not "barbaric", it is "civilized"....from the human perspective.

Most folks would recognize that civilization is defined by the ending of hunter-gathering and moving to farming. Hunting is a throwback to an uncivilized human past.

Depending, of course, on the specifics of the hunt. And even for some of the rare animals, such as the White Rhino, the trophy hunts can be conducted in a way to help with preservation and conservation of the species.

Civilization is defined by the making of beer. And long long long after we gave up the hunter/gather routine, there was still hunting. We even moved to domestication as well. I mean, how barbaric as that? We commandeered entire species for our own liking. heheh
 
Great so if thats her primary concern then why isn't she a game warden or veterinarian out there then ? She isn't because she would then have no trophy head to put on the wall which is of course her true motivation

Now ... don't you feel just a little bit foolish ?

Me... why should I feel foolish.. its not like I just posted multiple times that she "KILLED" the rhino.. and then provided a link that proved I was wrong...

That would be YOU.. not me.

By the way.. since the animal was not killed.. there is no real rhino trophy head on her wall.

You keep talking about her "real motivation" with total disregards for the facts. The success rate for hunting is abysmal... so if the only motivation is a trophy rack.. then please explain why someone would pay thousands of dollars.. go year after year.. even when unsuccessful? If its "all about killing"..
 
No you prosecute the parent for the reckless endangerment of the child. What has that to do with anything here ?

Nothing reckless about it.. it goes with the territory of living on a ranch. AS my children do.

And if the argument is that you would root for the animal in a life or death struggle. Domestic animals are going to slaughter... so that's death. Do you root for them to kill their owners?
 
Nothing reckless about it.. it goes with the territory of living on a ranch. AS my children do.

And if the argument is that you would root for the animal in a life or death struggle. Domestic animals are going to slaughter... so that's death. Do you root for them to kill their owners?

Those are apples and oranges. The first mistake is conflating domesticated animals raised for food with wild elephants hunted for sport.

If you your children were killed rounding up Grizzly bears, that's roughly equivalent. Or perhaps if the kids were in the field shooting the cows with arrows, and a wounded cow turned and charged them. Bull fighting is also a decent analogy - that's an actual fight to the death, and no, I won't shed many tears for the losing bull fighters, rare as them dying in the ring may be.

FWIW, as I've said, I don't have a problem with trophy hunting. I don't understand the appeal, but I do recognize that something like a wild bull elephant has a HUGE value, and those folks struggling to survive can either sell them (effectively) to wealthy trophy hunters who do get a thrill out of it, and maintain a viable population to serve that market, or they'll allow them to be poached, or kill the animals themselves for the tusks and let the carcass rot, etc. So in a lot of ways, it's a matter of how they'll be killed not whether, and by far the best method is controlled, licensed hunters paying big bucks for the privilege. It's sort of odd that we can save a population of rare animals by hunting/killing SOME of them, but that's how it works..... But when a hunter taking on these creatures, accepting the risks, gets killed, sorry but I don't mourn the loss like I would some kid trampled by a wild elephant on her way back from school.
 
and what you fail to understand is that legal hunting perpetuates the species while poaching threatens it

Legal hunting may help perpetuate a species. But with a species burdened by poachers to the extent that it is endangered, no. The poaching must be arrested, effectively, and legal hunting has to be on hold at least. And that's for most game animals, but elephants are special, and should be managed differently, as SD has been trying to explain.
 
Legal hunting may help perpetuate a species. But with a species burdened by poachers to the extent that it is endangered, no. The poaching must be arrested, effectively, and legal hunting has to be on hold at least. And that's for most game animals, but elephants are special, and should be managed differently, as SD has been trying to explain.

why, because you say so? I call complete BS on this and you have not demonstrated that you have any clue as to this issue. I don't find anything SD says on this to have any merit either. Licensed hunting of elephants is one of the main ways to save them
 
why, because you say so? I call complete BS on this and you have not demonstrated that you have any clue as to this issue. I don't find anything SD says on this to have any merit either. Licensed hunting of elephants is one of the main ways to save them

So, we're saying that licensing shouldn't be issued for elephants, they being unique, and not game. And folk will continue to work toward that end. You may call bs as you wish.
 
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