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Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

That changes nothing I said.

This guy died doing something that was technically legal but morally indefensible. I'd guess you would get a similar response from many here to the loss of a Japanese whaler in the Southern Ocean
 
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Im glad the guy was trampled...I cry for the Elephant...
 
The guy died participating in a dangerous hobby. He must have known the risks and opted to take them. As a hunter myself I always hate to hear when one of our own is injured or hurt, that said it does happen.

My thoughts are with his family and I hope he rests in peace.
 
This guy died doing something that was technically legal but morally indefensible. I'd guess you would get a similar response from many here to the loss of a Japanese whaler in the Southern Ocean

I don't think that the loss of human life is all that dismissible. I think cheering the death of a human is morally indefensible in and of itself. Despite the fact that I hate whaling practices, I wouldn't want those Japanese whalers to die. Kinda sick, IMO, to cheer for human death.
 
In all honesty, no sympathy for him. Sad to see a person die young, but when you do dumb things I don't lose sleep at night.
 
I don't think that the loss of human life is all that dismissible. I think cheering the death of a human is morally indefensible in and of itself. Despite the fact that I hate whaling practices, I wouldn't want those Japanese whalers to die. Kinda sick, IMO, to cheer for human death.

Almost as sick as killing wild animals for fun. The humans had a choice the animals didn't
 
Almost as sick as killing wild animals for fun. The humans had a choice the animals didn't

Sicker, if you ask me. But that's as I said before.
 
To be honest, I'm really not.

Leftwing and anti hunting seem to go hand in hand. Being a professional hunter in Africa is a dangerous job and the real professionals will protect their client. The PH we hunted with in Kenya, the Legendary Steve Smith (who survived fighting the Nazis, putting down the Mau Mau rebellion, and over 100 lion charges was killed in a traffic mishap in South Africa) lost his brother in law, the equally legendary Henry Poolman when a wounded lion charged the client and Poolman jumped in front of the client. His gun bearer shot the lion but the shot also killed Poolman. Smith's gun bearer killed the lion by breaking its neck with a butt stroke of Poolman's dropped rifle

I understand some people-especially those who think BAMBI was a documentary-have an irrational and emotional hatred of hunting but to be happy someone died is actually to be expected from the far left
 
This guy died doing something that was technically legal but morally indefensible. I'd guess you would get a similar response from many here to the loss of a Japanese whaler in the Southern Ocean

So you don't eat meat or wear leather. anti hunters are pretty disgusting hypocrites in my book and again, its almost always the province of the far left.
 
Yes, there are various probabilities one must accept when engaging in dangerous activities, and potential for death or injury is certainly there. But to feel nothing for the loss of human life? That's a bit sick, IMO.

I said I feel sad for his family and the loss they have suffered, but not for him. He took a risk and it cost him his life, sorry, but them's the breaks.
 
I said I feel sad for his family and the loss they have suffered, but not for him. He took a risk and it cost him his life, sorry, but them's the breaks.

Those are the breaks, indeed, but it's still as I stated. Feeling noting for the loss of human life is a bit sick, IMO.
 
So you don't eat meat or wear leather. anti hunters are pretty disgusting hypocrites in my book and again, its almost always the province of the far left.

I haven't eaten any elephant or giraffe lately nor have I used their skins. I seriously doubt that our deceased hunter was just about to either :roll:
 
Those are the breaks, indeed, but it's still as I stated. Feeling noting for the loss of human life is a bit sick, IMO.

You know those people who watch WWII documentaries and cheer when the Nazis get killed?

I'm one of those people.
 
You know those people who watch WWII documentaries and cheer when the Nazis get killed?

I'm one of those people.

War is a sad state, sometimes inevitable, but sad none the less. We should fell bad when forced to take life and strive to find ways in which we can build a better future wherein we don't need to take the lives of others.

That being said, this case isn't human v human, it's human v animal and human life has more weight than that of other animals.
 
Those are the breaks, indeed, but it's still as I stated. Feeling noting for the loss of human life is a bit sick, IMO.

I think it is sick to kill majestic animals like the elephant for no good reason whatsoever. If you engage in the act of killing these animals and you get killed then sorry, but I do not feel sorry for him. I hate that he ended up in such a horrendous manner but that does not mean I have to feel bad for him being dead, just about the manner of how he died.
 
I think it is sick to kill majestic animals like the elephant for no good reason whatsoever. If you engage in the act of killing these animals and you get killed then sorry, but I do not feel sorry for him. I hate that he ended up in such a horrendous manner but that does not mean I have to feel bad for him being dead, just about the manner of how he died.

You don't have to have any empathy for others, never said you did. It's just that lack of empathy isn't necessarily something I'd say is a good thing.
 
War is a sad state, sometimes inevitable, but sad none the less. We should fell bad when forced to take life and strive to find ways in which we can build a better future wherein we don't need to take the lives of others.

My point wasn't so much about war, which is sad, but that there are people who deserve to die so there's no need to mourn every death.

However, this doesn't mean this hunter deserved to die. It's just that different people will be affected by it in different ways due to their beliefs.

That being said, this case isn't human v human, it's human v animal and human life has more weight than that of other animals.

And some people have a less anthropocentric view than you do. You may think less of them for it. I suspect they do the same wrt to your beliefs.
 
You don't have to have any empathy for others, never said you did. It's just that lack of empathy isn't necessarily something I'd say is a good thing.

There's another way to look at it too. How many magnificent African wild animals will now be alive in the future that otherwise wouldn't had this guy not been killed ? :)
 
My point wasn't so much about war, which is sad, but that there are people who deserve to die so there's no need to mourn every death.

However, this doesn't mean this hunter deserved to die. It's just that different people will be affected by it in different ways due to their beliefs.

I'm not sure who deserves death or not, I'm not god so I can't say. There are situations where you must protect your own life, and that may entail the use of lethal force. But it's still not a good thing to kill other humans. We should feel bad, even when justified, because human life has value.

And some people have a less anthropocentric view than you do. You may think less of them for it. I suspect they do the same wrt to your beliefs.

That's fine, I'm just stating my opinion. Other people get to make posts such as "hahahah, serves him right, go elephant", and I get to express my own opinions as well. Of which include that cheering the death of a human is a bit sick.
 
There's another way to look at it too. How many magnificent African wild animals will now be alive in the future that otherwise wouldn't had this guy not been killed ? :)

It depends on what they were hunting, the biology of the creature (such as age, health, etc.) and the effects it has on that local population. You may find that with proper population management, you can end up with more animals on an absolute scale than you would have otherwise.
 
I'm not sure who deserves death or not, I'm not god so I can't say. There are situations where you must protect your own life, and that may entail the use of lethal force. But it's still not a good thing to kill other humans. We should feel bad, even when justified, because human life has value.

And it appears the elephant was protecting its' own life. Maybe it should feel bad about that. Maybe it does. :shrug:

That's fine, I'm just stating my opinion. Other people get to make posts such as "hahahah, serves him right, go elephant", and I get to express my own opinions as well. Of which include that cheering the death of a human is a bit sick.

Yeah, it is a bit douche-baggy

However, I must admit that I'm not torn up over it.
 
And it appears the elephant was protecting its' own life. Maybe it should feel bad about that. Maybe it does. :shrug:

Not really faulting the elephant either. It's an animal, it reacted as an animal may do. Hunting large game is dangerous, there's a probability of death, and if you do it long enough you're more and more likely to realize that probability. So it's not like I'm saying "****ing elephant, we should destroy them all!", just that loss of life is sad and I wouldn't be jumping up and down with glee even if I disagreed with the actions this hunter took.
 
It depends on what they were hunting, the biology of the creature (such as age, health, etc.) and the effects it has on that local population. You may find that with proper population management, you can end up with more animals on an absolute scale than you would have otherwise.

I'd seriously doubt that the primary motivation for such hunting trips is altruistic conservation.
 
I'm not sure who deserves death or not, I'm not god so I can't say. There are situations where you must protect your own life, and that may entail the use of lethal force. But it's still not a good thing to kill other humans. We should feel bad, even when justified, because human life has value.

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That is completely an opinion. As is 'how much value.' Humans impose the values they choose on other humans and on other life forms. It's entirely subjective. And you cant 'force' people to feel a certain way. (Not that you implied you could force it).
 
I'd seriously doubt that the primary motivation for such hunting trips is altruistic conservation.

I don't know either, perhaps the program does aim for that even if the participants do not. But the point is that your statement innately carries a lot of unanswered questions to it.
 
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