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Florida Governor to Sue Obama Administration Over Medicaid Expansion

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/17/u...ion-over-medicaid-expansion.html?ref=politics

No longer a purely partisan battle, the notion of expanding Medicaid has divided Republicans in Florida’s Legislature. The more conservative House of Representatives fiercely opposes the move. The Florida Senate, along with most hospitals, supports the idea and has already approved a private-sector version of Medicaid expansion. It wants to try to salvage the $50 billion in federal funds it would receive over the next decade that come with expansion and find a way to help hospitals recoup their costs.

The showdown in Florida is one of many playing out across the country as Republican governors grapple with whether, or how, to expand Medicaid. Ten states with Republican governors have decided to expand the program, like Indiana. But others have run afoul of Legislatures or backed off the plan.
Thoughts on the lawsuit are?
 
:lamo
The best part about this is that Florida would receive more aid if they simply expanded Medicaid.. But guess what Governor Scott, we live in a system of government called federalism, and in that system the federal government can withhold/cut funds from the lower levels of government if they see the need. Looks like you are on the wrong side of that coin..
 
As a Floridian who knows plenty of friends who use Medicaid. "**** you, Rick Scott."
 
Someone wants attention.
 
:lamo
The best part about this is that Florida would receive more aid if they simply expanded Medicaid.. But guess what Governor Scott, we live in a system of government called federalism, and in that system the federal government can withhold/cut funds from the lower levels of government if they see the need. Looks like you are on the wrong side of that coin..

yep because if he expands Medicaid then FL will need a state income tax to pay for the difference as it will add billions to the state Medicaid rolls.
I like not having to pay state income tax.
 
yep because if he expands Medicaid then FL will need a state income tax to pay for the difference as it will add billions to the state Medicaid rolls.
I like not having to pay state income tax.

You do realize the cost is essentially all covered by the federal government? The states have to pick up around 2% of the cost...
 
....another governor screwing over the interests of his citizens in the interest of protecting an ill-thought out personal political ideology.... in the words of Christ, "...forgive them, for they know not what they do...."

Interesting, but one could easily say that Obamacare is the result of a president screwing over the interests of his citizens in the interest of protecting an ill-thought out personal political ideology.
 
You do realize the cost is essentially all covered by the federal government? The states have to pick up around 2% of the cost...
Which equates too how much, exactly, for the state and from where is the money supposed to come? Actually, don't answer the second part unless your answer is something other than 'the rich.'
 
You do realize the cost is essentially all covered by the federal government? The states have to pick up around 2% of the cost...

that is what they say but the devil is in the detail and when you look at the details well the deal doesn't become all that great anymore.
no they get hit with more than 2% of the costs, but then again you only believe what you are told.
 
Which equates too how much, exactly, for the state and from where is the money supposed to come? Actually, don't answer the second part unless your answer is something other than 'the rich.'

the 2% is only for new qualifiers. it is much worse than 2%, and it doesn't cover the costs of the existing people on it.
 
Which equates too how much, exactly, for the state and from where is the money supposed to come? Actually, don't answer the second part unless your answer is something other than 'the rich.'
Sales tax, reshuffling of funds, property tax, sin tax. Dont have to create an income tax to cover it. I mean ****, Rick Scott is prancing around touting his "budget surplus"...
 
that is what they say but the devil is in the detail and when you look at the details well the deal doesn't become all that great anymore.
no they get hit with more than 2% of the costs, but then again you only believe what you are told.

Alright.. Care to back up your claim?
 
:lamo
The best part about this is that Florida would receive more aid if they simply expanded Medicaid.. But guess what Governor Scott, we live in a system of government called federalism, and in that system the federal government can withhold/cut funds from the lower levels of government if they see the need. Looks like you are on the wrong side of that coin..

that has nothing to do with federalism.
 
Alright.. Care to back up your claim?
while the Medicaid expansion looks good on paper and was parroted as that it really isn't a great deal for states.

ol states only have to pay a max of 10%. that is of the new people that meet the requirements.
if a person signs up for Medicaid and they would have qualified for the old system then they get put under the old system and the state still has to pay the old rate.

so if you have 1m people sign up and 50+% of them would have qualified under the old Medicaid system that is a massive expense to the state.
the states that expanded Medicaid are running into this very issue. they are seeing large enrollments of people and quite a few of them qualify under the
old system which is not covered by federal dollars.

also the whole 10% thing doesn't cover old enrollee's just new ones.
overall it was a horrible deal for states. yet it was passed off as this great thing just another lie from the Obama administration.

just another massive transfer of wealth.
 
really??....expalin federalism...and tell where money comes into play.

Do you seriously not understand how state and federal programs work with each other? Do you really need to go back to middle school government class? You cant be this dull..
 
Do you seriously not understand how state and federal programs work with each other? Do you really need to go back to middle school government class? You cant be this dull..

you have not a clue of what you are talking about, not a clue......explain federalism.....this is the second time i have asked.
 
Sales tax, reshuffling of funds, property tax, sin tax. Dont have to create an income tax to cover it. I mean ****, Rick Scott is prancing around touting his "budget surplus"...

yes FL will. Property taxes depending on the area are high plus there are constitutional amendments that prevent massive property tax raises.
as for sales tax it is already 6% and 8% in some cities you would push that into the 10-12% range. that will lead to a massive decrease in spending.

sin taxes are BS and have proven to not be helpful as people curb their habits to avoid paying the tax.
 
you have not a clue of what you are talking about, not a clue......explain federalism.....this is the second time i have asked.

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Jesus Christ. Federalism is a system of government where there are essentially 2 layers of gov. The federal government and the state governments. The federal government has certain powers and responsibilities allocated to it while the states have all other remaining powers.

But go ahead tell me how I mediciaid expansion "has nothing to do with federalism"...
 
while the Medicaid expansion looks good on paper and was parroted as that it really isn't a great deal for states.
No its way beyond the "paper stage" now..

ol states only have to pay a max of 10%. that is of the new people that meet the requirements.
if a person signs up for Medicaid and they would have qualified for the old system then they get put under the old system and the state still has to pay the old rate.
No.... Its the program as a whole... Not just new, not just old, the whole entire program.
so if you have 1m people sign up and 50+% of them would have qualified under the old Medicaid system that is a massive expense to the state.
the states that expanded Medicaid are running into this very issue. they are seeing large enrollments of people and quite a few of them qualify under the
old system which is not covered by federal dollars.

also the whole 10% thing doesn't cover old enrollee's just new ones.
overall it was a horrible deal for states. yet it was passed off as this great thing just another lie from the Obama administration.

just another massive transfer of wealth.
Again. No. The federal government covers the portion indicated of the program as a whole....

"Contrary to claims made by some of the health reform law’s detractors, the law’s Medicaid expansion does not impose substantial financial burdens on states. The additional state Medicaid spending that CBO expects to result from the expansion equals 2.8 percent of what states would have spent on Medicaid in the absence of health reform. Moreover, CBO expects the expansion to result in 17 million more people being covered, which will significantly reduce state costs for uncompensated care and related programs. In short, the federal government will pick up the overwhelming share of the costs of the Medicaid expansion, making it a favorable deal for states."
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3161

But hey its not just good for the uninsured, its also good news for the economy!
"The Medicaid expansion is projected to generate increased state economic activity, such asincreases in state output, Gross State Product (GSP) and state and local revenues. Similar toprevious finding, a review of economic analyses of the Medicaid expansion show that Medicaid funds willdirectly support health care providers as individuals gain insurance and better access to health care services.However, since the federal government pays for the entire cost of coverage for newly eligible beneficiaries forthe first three years, a new surge of federal funds will flow into states with relatively little additional state costs.Studies show, therefore, that new funds as a result of the Medicaid expansion are anticipated to have anoticeable and sustained increase in state economic activity. Regardless of the economic impact model used, allof the studies analyzed anticipate positive increases to state output and Gross State Product (GSP). Themagnitude of the impact depends on the level of current and anticipated new Medicaid funding and theeconomic conditions within the state.The Medicaid expansion is expected to have a positive effect on jobs and earnings. Theseeconomic models also show the implications for jobs. Again, given the increase in spending and the influx ofnew federal funds that will filter through state economies, the studies show increases in employment. Anumber of studies also show increases in salaries and earnings tied to new jobs. " https://kaiserfamilyfoundation.file...tate-economies-looking-forward-to-the-aca.pdf

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http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/2015/medicaidexpansion/ib_MedicaidExpansion.pdf
 
Interesting, but one could easily say that Obamacare is the result of a president screwing over the interests of his citizens in the interest of protecting an ill-thought out personal political ideology.

I am sure some believe that.... but that debate is over. Its now the law of the land.

What we now have are Governors that are failing to respect the rule of law by capriciously denying their citizens benefits that are prescribed by law because of the chose to throw a personal tantrum.

As a sidebar, as much as you don't like healthcare reform, it was 1) desired by the electorate prior to the election of 2008 and 2) the plan as implemented was not crafted by the White House, but by Congress, based largely on a template that had right-wing roots....
 
yep because if he expands Medicaid then FL will need a state income tax to pay for the difference as it will add billions to the state Medicaid rolls.
I like not having to pay state income tax.

Scott is spending billions deepening the Port of Miami for supertankers that will never come but he's worried about the 10% the State will pay for Medicaid in a few years?
The idea that we would need an income tax for that is asinine and untrue..
 
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