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Iran Sends Ships Toward Blockaded Yemen Port...

Simpleχity;1064547523 said:
Thousands of Iranian dissenters have perished in Tehran's notorious Evin prison. And perhaps you're too young to remember the bloody murder of Neda Agha Soltan in 2009.

You also seem to forget the hundreds of US military/embassy personnel killed by Hezbollah bombs in Beirut, East Beirut, and Khobar Towers.

Iran also held US embassy staff hostage in Iran for 444 days. Not an aggressive dictatorship? Are you delusional?
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I'd prefer to stay on topic but please take a look at:
“SEVEN THINGS YOU DIDN’T KNOW THE U.S. AND ITS ALLIES DID TO IRAN”
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/04/07/10-things-didnt-know-weve-done-iran/

If I respond more thoroughly, I am criticized for bring up more brutal, US funded Regimes, if I don't, I'm accused as being evasive.

I'm not aware of Iran's military ever attacking the US. CSI Forensics ruled out Hezbollah as the bomb maker for the Marine barracks.

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The latest word from the Pentagon is that the US Navy is NOT "Intercepting Iranian ships" nor has Iran expressed an interest in resupplying the Yemeni Rebels:


“Pentagon: US Warship Repositioning, Not Intercepting Iranian Ships Off Yemen”
Yemen Brings US, Iran Closer to Naval Face-Off
EXCERPT "On Saturday, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said the presence of Iranian naval ships "in the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Aden is intended to ensure the security of neighboring countries and maritime traffic."CONTINUED


I strongly suspect that Iran is in no way interested in upsetting the progress & benefits of the current momentum Re: Nuke Talks, S-300 Sale etc


Thanks
 
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I'd prefer to stay on topic but please take a look at:
“SEVEN THINGS YOU DIDN’T KNOW THE U.S. AND ITS ALLIES DID TO IRAN”
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/04/07/10-things-didnt-know-weve-done-iran/

If I respond more thoroughly, I am criticized for bring up more brutal, US funded Regimes, if I don't, I'm accused as being evasive.

I'm not aware of Iran's military ever attacking the US. CSI Forensics ruled out Hezbollah as the bomb maker for the Marine barracks.

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The latest word from the Pentagon is that the US Navy is NOT "Intercepting Iranian ships" nor has Iran expressed an interest in resupplying the Yemeni Rebels:


“Pentagon: US Warship Repositioning, Not Intercepting Iranian Ships Off Yemen”
Yemen Brings US, Iran Closer to Naval Face-Off
EXCERPT "On Saturday, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said the presence of Iranian naval ships "in the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Aden is intended to ensure the security of neighboring countries and maritime traffic."CONTINUED


I strongly suspect that Iran is in no way interested in upsetting the progress & benefits of the current momentum Re: Nuke Talks, S-300 Sale etc


Thanks

You're welcome. Of course Iran is an entirely pacifist country that doesn't fund Hamas, Hezbollah, or the Houthie, and isn't working on anything that could be characterized as a nuclear weapon. That's why Obama is having the talks - just to make sure they don't have anything like that in mind. And we know their warships are on a humanitarian mission. It's all good. I have no idea why anybody would notice the Death to America stuff. They're good people.
 
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The writer to whom I was responding brought up "aggressive dictatorships" while Iran is neither. I only cited an existing plan of aggression: Oden Yinon Plan which readers are well advised to research more recent & reliable sources themselves instead of relying on your "cherry picked", out dated source

There is nothing new or aggressive about Iranian ships patrolling those waters as they have been doing so since 2008. They are certainly monitoring events in Yemen as are other ships in the area.


“Iran sends warships to monitor Yemen's coast”
Iran sends warships to monitor Yemen's coast ? RT News
EXCERPT “According to Tehran officials, the warships will be protecting a crucial trade route against pirates. THE Iranian Navy has been conducting such patrols since 2008."CONTINUED


The best indicator of Iran's propensity for aggression is its history. You are still unable to name a single country Iran has attacked or invaded.

I've been posting in the M.E. section &, predictably, heard not a note from you.

Your empty threats, dishonest insults & bellicose jargon are forbidden here & serve neither to be truthful, intimidating nor civil.

And both sides are playing to be numero uno in a political &religious war that has been going on since the death of Mohammed.
Each considers others of a differing sect to be heretics.
And thinking Israel can divide all of the ME and other areas is beyond ludicrous.
Each side is a threat to stability- each side is guilty of war crimes.
Each of them have killed more Muslims than Israel has in a War.
Islam is the greatest threat to itself.
 
b'smith said:
All it takes is a visit to Iran to find that they have a fondness for the American people.


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And that would mean something if Iran wasn't a theocratic dictator ship that has a national death to America day and holds regular death to America rallies.
 
And that would mean something if Iran wasn't a theocratic dictator ship that has a national death to America day and holds regular death to America rallies.


How do you know. Have you ever traveled throughout the Islamic world or had extended stays in completely different cultures. I spent 10 - 11 months hitch-hiking, walking etc in Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Turkey etc without a single hostile encounter even though I looked American.

The "Death to America" stuff is all meaningless hyperbole as explained by the following author:


“Iran is the most charming country on Earth”
John Simpson: Iran is the most charming country on Earth - Telegraph

Excerpt “In Tehran, you will encounter a genuine delight to see you: a distinctly old-fashioned affection for westerners, who have vanished from everyday life.
A few discerning people are coming back quite starry-eyed from their visits there.

What always strikes me in Iran is the normality of it.

This is not Saudi Arabia: women drive cars, run businesses and often forget to cover their hair as they’re supposed to do. The systems of control exist, but they’re usually discreet.

What you would encounter is a genuine delight to see you: a distinctly old-fashioned affection for westerners, who have vanished from everyday life in Iran. Eating in a Tehran restaurant can sometimes be a trial: so many people want to greet you and indeed pay for your meal.

...your main problem will be saying no to the kindly people picnicking in the parks and gardens who beg you to join them.

Iran is recommended by the Telegraph Travel team as one of the 20 top destinations to visit in 2014. For more on what's on offer, read our guide to holidaying in Iran.

I first became aware of this affection in the Eighties, when I ventured out to cover an anti-British demonstration in the city. I was a lot younger then, and accompanied by a charming, fatherly cameraman.

The crowd pushed and shoved, and shouted “Marg bar Tacher” – “death to Thatcher”. I asked the cameraman to stand on a low wall and film me as I walked through the angry demonstrators. “I really don’t think you should do this, John,” he said, with a troubled look at the mob. But I’d seen it done before, by an American correspondent. I weaved my way through the crowd, smiling and explaining that I was a Brit, and they opened up a pathway for me, shaking hands and bowing.

I finally reached the ringmaster, a professional demonstrator who was beating his chest, the spittle shooting from his mouth in his anti-British fervour. “Welcome, welcome to Iran, sir,” he said, and actually kissed my hand. It went down well on the news that night, I promise you."CONTINUED



I hope you're not relying completely on US Major Media for accurate information on the Mid East

I'm not geting paid to hype Iran and know about the brutality of its government (and every other one). I just hate to see so many people deceived about countries to which they've never been & people they've never met.


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How do you know.

They conceal facts like those in books.

In Iran they have a closed circle of power, the Supreme leader is selected by the Guardian Council along with Parliament but the Supreme Leader is appointed by the Assemble of Experts which must be approved by the Guardian Council and the Parliament must be approved by the Guardian Council. They are a theocratic dictatorship.


Have you ever traveled throughout the Islamic world or had extended stays in completely different cultures. I spent 10 - 11 months hitch-hiking, walking etc in Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Turkey etc without a single hostile encounter even though I looked American.

Your anecdotal evidence means absolutely jack and ****, facts are facts and they are undeniable, Iran is a theocratic dictatorship,

The "Death to America" stuff is all meaningless hyperbole as explained by the following author:

Oh ****ing spare me they have a literal government recognized death to America day the rallies are government sponsored.

“Iran is the most charming country on Earth”

Bwahahahahaahahaaha!!!! Unless you're openly gay, or promote a religion other than fundamentalist Shia Islam or attempt to petition your government for a redress of grievances by peacefully assembling, all of which are regularly punished by death in that theocratic hellhole.

John Simpson: Iran is the most charming country on Earth - Telegraph

Excerpt “In Tehran, you will encounter a genuine delight to see you: a distinctly old-fashioned affection for westerners, who have vanished from everyday life.
A few discerning people are coming back quite starry-eyed from their visits there.

What always strikes me in Iran is the normality of it.

Yes because I find a nation in which women not wearing veils or Hijab are beaten in the streets by religious police as completely normal.

Asserting that a country that executes gays for being gay, does not have freedom of religion or freedom of speech, which calls for the eradication of other nation states, and which officially denies the holocaust and hosts holocaust denial conferences and invites overt neo-Nazi's and members of the KKK is "normal" is either laughable or disgusting, I can't decide which.
 
Of course I do not want U.S. servicemen fighting anyone, anywhere. The best way to make sure they never have to is to maintain a very strong military and make clear we will use it if necessary. The Islamist thugs in Tehran are acting aggressively exactly because of this president's weakness--he has spent six years inviting their aggression.

Actually it was GW Bush who invaded and conquered Iran's biggest enemy and handed Iraq to them on a silver platter. Without Iraq to worry about, Iran was able to reach out and help its friends in Gaza and Lebanon and expand it influence in the region further destabilizing it. Bush was the Shiite and Iran's hero and Obama has nothing to do but try and make sense of it all. It is a perfect example of why having the most powerful military in the world doesn't mean a GD thing if you do STUPID things with it.
 
Actually it was GW Bush who invaded and conquered Iran's biggest enemy and handed Iraq to them on a silver platter. Without Iraq to worry about, Iran was able to reach out and help its friends in Gaza and Lebanon and expand it influence in the region further destabilizing it. Bush was the Shiite and Iran's hero and Obama has nothing to do but try and make sense of it all. It is a perfect example of why having the most powerful military in the world doesn't mean a GD thing if you do STUPID things with it.

Congratulations on combining a false and hackneyed attack on President Bush with a stirring apologia for the American-hating commie liar who is now disgracing the White House. That is a stock bit of leftist propaganda designed to cover B. Hussein Obama's rear. Good luck selling it to anyone but the most loyal supporters of MSNBC, the Daily Kos, and Mother Jones.
 
Simpleχity;1064543279 said:
Do you also support the US selling to KSA the high-tech weapons platforms that they will undoubtedly request in order to facilitate regional stability?

In other words, do you support relinquishing the US high-tech weapons edge if this results is less direct US involvement? For example, it's no secret that the KSA has its eye on the new F-35.

I'm just curious about what trade-offs are acceptable in your view.

We should be more than happy to sell those turd blossom F-35's.
 
Congratulations on combining a false and hackneyed attack on President Bush with a stirring apologia for the American-hating commie liar who is now disgracing the White House. That is a stock bit of leftist propaganda designed to cover B. Hussein Obama's rear. Good luck selling it to anyone but the most loyal supporters of MSNBC, the Daily Kos, and Mother Jones.

So GW Bush didn't invade Iraq and install a Shiite Govt. sympathetic to Iran? LOL You are the liar.
 
So GW Bush didn't invade Iraq and install a Shiite Govt. sympathetic to Iran? LOL You are the liar.

Calling me a liar is just the kind of personal attack people who share your political views rely on so heavily, and for good reason--you hope it will hide how weak your game is. But it does not make your lame attempt to whitewash your America-hating president's disastrous foreign policy any more believable.
 
Calling me a liar is just the kind of personal attack people who share your political views rely on so heavily, and for good reason--you hope it will hide how weak your game is. But it does not make your lame attempt to whitewash your America-hating president's disastrous foreign policy any more believable.

LOL You still deny that Bush invaded Iraq and ousted Iran's biggest enemy? You can't handle the truth and it is sad.
 
Well, it now seems those ships and that carrier we dispatched to Yemen aren't allowed to do anything. They're just hanging around to watch the Iranians deliver whatever it is they're delivering. Typical Obama. The man's one big lying ass with ears.
 
On second thought, maybe Obama dispatched the carrier and battle group to protect the Iranian ships.
 
Iran now controls FOUR M-E Capitals and carries on aggression with several groups with several Proxy Wars.
(re 'Shia Cresecent')
The Gulf and Sunni States are Worried about IRAN and it's Nukes, NOT Israel.
This is not a zio-Neocon hang up.

I already debunked your DAILY Mantra of the NON-issue 'Yinon' plan.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...an-start-oil-goods-swap-5.html#post1064528801

Get some New stuff, and Stop GRATUITOUSLY Dragging your 'Israel' hang up into EVERY IRAN String/Post.

Same crap EVERY day/post.

You want to discuss Israel instead of casually/wackily slander it in every post, come on down to the M-E section and face the music.

USFP for years now has led to the power vacuum that has given rise to both Iran and the Islamic State, the former I'm not concerned about, though you seem to have your knickers knotted up over it. When Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad were in control, both your worries were quite contained. Now I suppose you want the creators of the disaster to provide the solution, lol.
 
Simpleχity;1064547523 said:
Thousands of Iranian dissenters have perished in Tehran's notorious Evin prison. And perhaps you're too young to remember the bloody murder of Neda Agha Soltan in 2009.

You also seem to forget the hundreds of US military/embassy personnel killed by Hezbollah bombs in Beirut, East Beirut, and Khobar Towers.

Iran also held US embassy staff hostage in Iran for 444 days. Not an aggressive dictatorship? Are you delusional?

Of course Iran will oppose US troop presence in the Middle East, kind of a no brainer. And you ignore the decades of US interference in Iran that have caused the responses to which you complain. That's what happens when you harm people, they usually seek to harm you back. You like to forget what the US has done in the ME for near a century now.
 
And that would mean something if Iran wasn't a theocratic dictator ship that has a national death to America day and holds regular death to America rallies.

Not all Iranians participate in that bull**** you mention, anymore than all Americans participate in some of the similarly stupid rallies and protests held right here. Do you not understand that the majority of Iranians are pro-American. Why is the right determined to turn the Iranian public against America, hmm? Not enough enemies to keep the MIC humming.
 
Calling me a liar is just the kind of personal attack people who share your political views rely on so heavily, and for good reason--you hope it will hide how weak your game is. But it does not make your lame attempt to whitewash your America-hating president's disastrous foreign policy any more believable.

At least you didn't try to deny the fact that GWB Iraq's policy was a gain for Iran and the Islamic State.
 
And that would mean something if Iran wasn't a theocratic dictator ship that has a national death to America day and holds regular death to America rallies.

Like their ally Putinheard some of our politicians, the mullahs need an external threat to justify their own existance. Their periodic bombastic threats aside, Iranian mullahs and their proxies have been in no rush to carry out terror attacks against the west.

Not only are indigenous (non convert) Iranian Christians protected by the Iranian government, but so are indigenous Jews who despite some harassment, appear to be largely comfortable in Iran.

Now, let's look at what our Saudi "allies" have been doing:

- funding Wahhabist groups in Africa and Asia. Most of Boko Haram wprobably attended Saudi funded mosques
- funding jihadi groups in Syria and Iraq
- sheltering Ben Ladin- until he pissed them off
- funding the Taliban
-Isis? Probably benefits from officially ignored " go fund me" private donor campaigns in Saudi Arabia.

In short, I hope the Iranians nail the "Saudi" military to the wall. Most of its members are Pakistani mercenaries and I bet most are not excited about actually having to fight for lazy Saudis.
 
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Of course Iran will oppose US troop presence in the Middle East, kind of a no brainer. And you ignore the decades of US interference in Iran that have caused the responses to which you complain. That's what happens when you harm people, they usually seek to harm you back. You like to forget what the US has done in the ME for near a century now.
Our president - Jimmy Carter - refused to help the Shah hold power in Iran, which would have pleased most of the Iranian people who didn't want to be dominated by islamo radicals. Iran is a case of the majority being oppressed by a minority of people willing to do anything to be in power. What you call interference was US corporation with the Shah who was bringing the Iranian people out of the middle ages into the modern world and you would rather we left them in the hands of these tyrannical islamo dogs that stone homos, christians and people who try to convert to some other religion..
 
Our president - Jimmy Carter - refused to help the Shah hold power in Iran, which would have pleased most of the Iranian people who didn't want to be dominated by islamo radicals. Iran is a case of the majority being oppressed by a minority of people willing to do anything to be in power. What you call interference was US corporation with the Shah who was bringing the Iranian people out of the middle ages into the modern world and you would rather we left them in the hands of these tyrannical islamo dogs that stone homos, christians and people who try to convert to some other religion..

The US has done NOTHING to improve the lot in the Middle East. As a matter of fact, for all of our interference, the Middle East is in ruins.
 
The US has done NOTHING to improve the lot in the Middle East. As a matter of fact, for all of our interference, the Middle East is in ruins.
Will, the US has poured trillions of dollars in to the Middle East.
Some of the smaller countries have built great cities with that money. Saudi has build a few hospitals and bought a lot of fancy cars and rhino horn knives. While other countries like Iraq have oppressed their own people because of religious and tribal differences and maniacal leaders like Saddam but the liberal horde liked Saddam and his insane sons so the left is sad that they are dead.


I wanted them dead to show the islamos that we would go there and kill their leaders after 9/11 and we couldn't kill the king of Saudi without really hurting oil production which would have killed our economy which was already hurt by 9/11.

If we had it to do over again I would have let the CIA kill Saddam and his sons.

As for these Iranian ships: Our carriers are nuke capable but I doubt that they have any nuclear weapons with them. We could still sink those nine ships all at the same second if we wanted and maybe it would be a good idea. I think that the Iranians would change their tune about getting a nuclear weapon if we showed a little back bone.

I don't know if we still have our "Rods from God" in orbit but I love those things. One of these high density rods about twenty feet long traveling at 40,000 MPH would penetrate deep enough into the Earth to reach that buried Iranian nuclear factory.
 
Will, the US has poured trillions of dollars in to the Middle East. Some of the smaller countries have built great cities with that money. Saudi has build a few hospitals and bought a lot of fancy cars and rhino horn knives. While other countries like Iraq have oppressed their own people because of religious and tribal differences and maniacal leaders like Saddam but the liberal horde liked Saddam and his insane sons so the left is sad that they are dead.

I wanted them dead to show the islamos that we would go there and kill their leaders after 9/11 and we couldn't kill the king of Saudi without really hurting oil production which would have killed our economy which was already hurt by 9/11.

If we had it to do over again I would have let the CIA kill Saddam and his sons.

As for these Iranian ships: Our carriers are nuke capable but I doubt that they have any nuclear weapons with them. We could still sink those nine ships all at the same second if we wanted and maybe it would be a good idea. I think that the Iranians would change their tune about getting a nuclear weapon if we showed a little back bone.

I don't know if we still have our "Rods from God" in orbit but I love those things. One of these high density rods about twenty feet long traveling at 40,000 MPH would penetrate deep enough into the Earth to reach that buried Iranian nuclear factory.

Oh dear! Thankfully they keep you far away from USFP.
 
Biden Once Called Iraq One of Obama's 'Great Achievements' | The Weekly Standard

What was one of Obama's Great Achievements was blown away when he pulled out of Iraq and left Iraq defenseless and now it's in flames.

Getting the hell out of there certainly was an achievement worth touting. Bolstering a Shia/Iranian dictatorship led by an genocidal maniac is hardly worthy of American blood. Can you imagine if we were on the ground their now in the middle of that cluster****? Let them save their own asses instead of shooting at ours.
 
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