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Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... And Th

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I'm glad this is in michigan, so i can demonstrate precisely how this "RFRA" crap would work here.

Let's say he moved or opened shop in ann arbor or detroit, and then he made this statement. The minute he discriminated against someone gay, he would be sued and lose. That's because those cities, unlike grandville, have anti discrimination laws.

Now let's say "RFRA" passed in michigan, which very nearly happened in december, and until the backlash in indiana, appeared certain it would pass. Now even being in ann arbor or detroit, there's no recourse for a gay person simply wanting their car repaired.

This also impresses the need for a state/nationwide anti discrimination law
 
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I'm glad this is in michigan, so i can demonstrate precisely how this "RFRA" crap would work here.

Let's say he moved or opened shop in ann arbor or detroit, and then he made this statement. The minute he discriminated against someone gay, he would be sued and lose. That's because those cities, unlike grandville, have anti discrimination laws.

Now let's say "RFRA" passed in michigan, which very nearly happened in december, and until the backlash in indiana, appeared certain it would pass. Now even being in ann arbor or detroit, there's no recourse for a gay person simply wanting their car repaired.

This also impresses the need for a state/nationwide anti discrimination law

No, it doesn't. The guy is a moron that doesn't represent anything but bad business practices.
 
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Already closed, actually. Gofundme has been bailing on idiots like this one.
 
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Not trying to defend this guy here but for those of you that missed it his comment about the nuts and bolts is something that even a semi-mechanic would know the meaning of. Bolts are the males. Nuts are females. A bolt (male) is useless without a nut (female). No vehicle would even make it 10 seconds without using both. IE: It as an analogy. I doubt very seriously that he would endanger anyone's life.

It is obviously an analogy that fails when it comes to human beings but it is a analogy nonetheless.
 
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I am as pro-gay rights as a person can be. But the less moral side of me is tempted to pretend and advertise my business as being anti-gay just so I can make a few hundred thousand dollars really quick with no work and a gofundme page. I'm not going to do it but the temptation is there.
 
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Someone needs to capitalize on this and open a repair shop for the gay community only. There would be a lot of Miatas and 6 cylinder mustangs on that lot.

And the cars will be very colorful.
 
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This is a publicity stunt by a dishonest and complete moron.

Agreed
 
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The moron definitely crossed the line with the following comment:



His open threat to do shoddy and dangerous repairs if he percieves a customer to be 'dishonest or immoral' and yet insistent upon being served should cause him untold grief and invite lawsuits. I imagine that his plan was to get lots of free publicity and perhaps even have a gofundme page opened in his honor. He was a complete and total moron to state anything beyond his right to refuse service to anyone - taking the leap to claiming that he would intentionally make improper repairs just may be his undoing.

I think that he was using an analogy (a pretty poor one at that)
 
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This is a publicity stunt by a dishonest and complete moron.

So because you disagree with him, you think that you can make up stuff about him and it's OK?? This is the path to bigotry..
 
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I'd believe that being such a screwup there's a fair chance he might do anyway.

You know nothing about the person or the quality of work he does. All you're doing is stating what you want to believe about him without knowing if it's factual or not.
 
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I think that he was using an analogy (a pretty poor one at that)

You can't make that assumption.

He is in the business of repairing cars so if a customer has an accident as a result of his work, this comment will come up, as it should.
 
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Did he start a gofundme page yet?
 
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I think that he was using an analogy (a pretty poor one at that)

That may have been his intent but he clearly states that rather than simply refuse those 'immoral folks' service he would show (prove to?) them that things cannot be done differently and still work.
 
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https://opencourtrecords.org/case.php?id=11259&hc_location=u

Offense Date Date Closed Offense Description Disposition Disposition Date
11/10/1998 10/13/1999 Assault and Battery Guilty 08/12/1999
11/10/1998 03/14/2001 Probation Violation Guilty 03/14/2001


Such an honest and moral Christian. Hallelujah.

Some people are just disgusting.

The only good piece of news from this is that they pulled his "gofundme" page. So that retard conservative mouth-breathing morons can't give this asshole any money.

People change over time. Sad to see that you have to sink to such depths just to try to attack the man's character...
 
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He made the claim. Now he's under a microscope due to his own idiocy. If a car he repairs ends up with a malfunction due to an error on the part of his shop this quote can and should be used against him.

Proverbs 21:2 "Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the Lord weighs the heart."

When you threaten to do shoddy work for those you disagree with your heart isn't with God.

It was an analogy...
 
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I like that he called out dishonesty, thievery, and immoral behavior. He's a mechanic, these are his bread and butter. hehehe

How do you know that?? For all you know, the guy is the most honest mechanic in the world...
 
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You can't make that assumption.

He is in the business of repairing cars so if a customer has an accident as a result of his work, this comment will come up, as it should.

..and you can't make the assumption that is wasn't. The proof lies ONLY with him, not YOU and not ME. But based on how he phrased the statement, it's pretty obvious to those of us who are willing to set aside our emotional responses and look at this from as objective a POV as possible (instead of trying our best to make him sound a bad as possible) tha this is an analogy.
 
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As long as Michigan law does not prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation in public accommodations, I guess this mechanic can refuse to serve homosexuals if he damn well pleases. Not being a resident of that state, it is none of my business. Residents of Michigan who disagree with the state law are free to try to change it.
 
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That may have been his intent but he clearly states that rather than simply refuse those 'immoral folks' service he would show (prove to?) them that things cannot be done differently and still work.

Even accepting that he was using an analogy, you still resort to making wrong assumptions to try to make him look bad??
 
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..and you can't make the assumption that is wasn't. The proof lies ONLY with him, not YOU and not ME. But based on how he phrased the statement, it's pretty obvious to those of us who are willing to set aside our emotional responses and look at this from as objective a POV as possible (instead of trying our best to make him sound a bad as possible) tha this is an analogy.

IF a car is involved in an accident as a result of his repairs, his words will be taken at face value. This is not a democratic politician where you have the chance to say what he meant.

The words on the paper are the words on the paper.

What do you think a jury would do with that? How many would think like you when there is an injured party involved?
 
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People change over time. Sad to see that you have to sink to such depths just to try to attack the man's character...

Uh the man's character is sunken at the bottom of the mariana trench, or he would not be discriminating. The post on his rap sheet only reveals he's a complete hypocrite as well
 
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gays should be served unless they want it in another way :mrgreen:

.I dont find it different than this image.they shouldnt be discriminated unless they insult your religious values in front of you if your criterion is religious priorities

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Even accepting that he was using an analogy, you still resort to making wrong assumptions to try to make him look bad??

The analogy fails since the selection of a sexual partner is not like the repairing of a vehicle. He should have stopped at asserting his right to refuse service to nearly anyone.
 
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Uh the man's character is sunken at the bottom of the mariana trench, or he would not be discriminating. The post on his rap sheet only reveals he's a complete hypocrite as well

Because of one decision, the man's entire character is rotten in your opinion?? You must have a REALLY low opinion of Bill Clinton then... As far as his rap sheet is concerned, making a mistake over 15 years ago does not mean that he's a hypocrite, it means that he made a mistake over 15 years ago... or don't you believe that people can change and turn their lives around?? What you're doing is attacking him dishonestly for what he believes. If you don't like the choice he made - address that - there's no need to create stuff to dislike him for using the kind of dishonest crap that's getting thrown around on this thread.
 
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The analogy fails since the selection of a sexual partner is not like the repairing of a vehicle. He should have stopped at asserting his right to refuse service to nearly anyone.

In my very first post, I stated that it was poor analogy....
 
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