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Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... And Th

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Really? I'm sure I know just what it means.

Not if your definition of it is what you posted earlier you don't.
 
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Jerry, you can try as much as you want to change it but the subject of discussion is the discrimination of gays.
Clearly it's not, as demonstrated with basic reading comprehension and the contributions of others on this thread. I realize you want this to be about gays, but it's about businesses and a business's ability to discriminate. Participants of this thread have demonstrated an interest in exploring just what a business can discriminate against, from gays to 'coloreds' to religions and armed citizens and more.

If you actually read OP's source you will see that the business owner's policy regarded more than gays in terms what he was willing to allow and disallow. You say my gun reference is off-topic yet this business owner, in the same posting about gays, made a strong stance on armed citizens as well.

As you know I do enjoy exploring the topic of gay issues and so I look forward to your own thread for that subject.

Jerry, your positions are homophobic.
If I had a fear of sameness then I couldn't function in the military; merely wearing a uniform would be impossible to accomplish. I also couldn't work in a lab since most of our tests, procedures and reports have to be exactly the same as everyone else, except results, so as to control for the initial conditions.

Accusing people of homophobia is just something stupid people say when they run out of arguments.
 
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Clearly it's not, as demonstrated with basic reading comprehension and the contributions of others on this thread.

What "others" understood is irrelevant to what the thread is about, Jerry.

I realize you want this to be about gays, but it's about businesses and a business's ability to discriminate. As you know I do enjoy exploring the topic of gay issues and so I look forward to your own thread for that subject.

Only it isn't, Jerry. It's about discrimination of gays.

If I had a fear of sameness then I couldn't function in the military; merely wearing a uniform would be impossible to accomplish. I also couldn't work in a lab since most of our tests, procedures and reports have to be exactly the same as everyone else, except results, so as to control for the initial conditions.

Jerry, what you fear is irrelevant to the fact that you hold homophobic positions.

Accusing people of homophobia is just something stupid people say when they run out of arguments.

Jerry, nobody has run out of arguments. Your belief that guns and sexual orientation are the same thing is absurd. It's been exposed as absurd and you're trying your hardest to avoid it. They're not the same no matter how hard you try to claim they are. One is an innate trait, the other is an object you can leave at home. Trying to paint anybody who acknowledges homophobia as "stupid" just makes you look desperate to try and reframe the argument and make your position seem 'rational'. Your homophobic positions have never been rational, Jerry. :shrug:
 
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Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... And That's Legal


Oh boy, more contraversy. I think there are lots of guns in Michigan, so business will likely boom. No pun intended.

What I'm having trouble with is under what possible set of circumstances would a person's sexuality come up at a car repair shop? It's not like the guy is providing services to a wedding where it's kind of obvious if there are two grooms and no bride.

I mean, does he hook his customers up to a lie detector and ask "are you gay" before he fixes their cars?
 
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Your belief that guns and sexual orientation are the same thing is absurd.
Guns and sexual orientation are both things this business owner included in the Facebook posting about things he would allow and disallow.
 
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the constitution guarantees me the right to be involved in the making of laws in other states.

As I acknowledged, anyone is free to criticize laws in states other than his own, as much as he wants. Write editorials, contribute money to organizations that share your views, march in rallies denouncing the laws--say whatever you please. The state whose law was being criticized could not even infringe the right of its own residents to speak, let alone do that to persons outside its jurisdiction. Far from having distaste for you or any American exercising his freedom of speech, I strongly support it.

Being a conservative, I don't presume to try to tell people in other states how they should live. The laws and policies they choose to live by do not concern me. If most people in a state want to make laws that require dog owners to diaper their pets in public places, prohibit retail stores from opening on Sundays, allow public accommodations to refuse service based on sexual orientation, or any other damn thing, that's their lookout.
 
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Guns and sexual orientation are both things this business owner included in the Facebook posting about things he would allow and disallow.

And him being in favor of guns isn't what the thread is about. It's about his discrimination OF homosexuals. Continuing to deny it just shows how removed from the conversation you are. Nobody has called this an asshole for letting guns into his shop. What people have done is question his position on HOMOSEXUALS, Jerry. So have no fear, your guns are safe in this man's store. However, that still doesn't validate your absurd comparison of guns and an innate trait like homosexuality.

:shrug:
 
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As I acknowledged, anyone is free to criticize laws in states other than his own, as much as he wants. Write editorials, contribute money to organizations that share your views, march in rallies denouncing the laws--say whatever you please. The state whose law was being criticized could not even infringe the right of its own residents to speak, let alone do that to persons outside its jurisdiction. Far from having distaste for you or any American exercising his freedom of speech, I strongly support it.

Being a conservative, I don't presume to try to tell people in other states how they should live. The laws and policies they choose to live by do not concern me. If most people in a state want to make laws that require dog owners to diaper their pets in public places, prohibit retail stores from opening on Sundays, allow public accommodations to refuse service based on sexual orientation, or any other damn thing, that's their lookout.
Those of us who travel allot see it a bit differently ;)
 
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What I'm having trouble with is under what possible set of circumstances would a person's sexuality come up at a car repair shop? It's not like the guy is providing services to a wedding where it's kind of obvious if there are two grooms and no bride.

I mean, does he hook his customers up to a lie detector and ask "are you gay" before he fixes their cars?

Good point. Could it be that what he objects to is serving people who say or do things in his presence that make clear they are homosexuals?
 
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And him being in favor of guns isn't what the thread is about.
Right, this thread is about a repair shop owner. I'm happy to explain it again:

"Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers"

Subject. Verb. Object. Basic sentence structure, brought to you by literacy 101.

The subject of this thread is the Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner. Interchanging objects is how we explore a subject, this is why people are bringing up the banning of various different things. Another poster in this thread also changed the verb, arguing that someone should open a repair shop and cater to gays. This thread is not about gays or gay rights, but the Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner.
 
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Right, this thread is about a repair shop owner. I'm happy to explain it again:

Yep a repair owner discriminating against gays. Continuing to deny this just makes you look silly now Jerry. It was never about guns. Nobody except for you seems to have taken it upon themselves to make such an absurd comparison. It's all you, Jerry. :shrug:
 
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Good point. Could it be that what he objects to is serving people who say or do things in his presence that make clear they are homosexuals?

How would that be different than discriminating based on religion? In order to discriminate against someone in retail based in their religion, they either have to do something that makes a person assume they are of a certain religion or say something that does.
 
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Yep a repair owner discriminating against gays.
Subject. Verb. Object. I think you're starting to catch on, the subject of this thread is a repair shop owner, not gays.

It was never about guns.
Right, it's about a repair shop owner. I think you got it.
 
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Subject. Verb. Object. I think you're starting to catch on, the subject of this thread is a repair shop owner, not gays.


Right, it's about a repair shop owner. I think you got it.

Jerry, continuing to deny why everyone has criticized this person in this thread, and the discussions being held won't change the topic of the thread which is fact his discrimination of gays.
 
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As I acknowledged, anyone is free to criticize laws in states other than his own, as much as he wants. Write editorials, contribute money to organizations that share your views, march in rallies denouncing the laws--say whatever you please. The state whose law was being criticized could not even infringe the right of its own residents to speak, let alone do that to persons outside its jurisdiction. Far from having distaste for you or any American exercising his freedom of speech, I strongly support it.

Boy, you sure have done a 180. You want from calling it "un-american" to supporting it!
The readiness to scold and meddle in the business of people in other states is part of a general impulse statists have to centralize government--a totalitarian bent. It it anything but liberal, and it shows a disregard of individual liberties that is un-American to the core.


Being a conservative, I don't presume to try to tell people in other states how they should live. The laws and policies they choose to live by do not concern me. If most people in a state want to make laws that require dog owners to diaper their pets in public places, prohibit retail stores from opening on Sundays, allow public accommodations to refuse service based on sexual orientation, or any other damn thing, that's their lookout.
If you, or any other right wingers, choose to not exercise the rights they have to engage in the political process, that is more than fine by me. Maybe it explains why the right is on the losing side so often. So I won't try to dissuade you from that choice.

What I took issue with was your claim that the laws of one state are no business of the people of another - a claim which is obviously untrue no matter how many times you try to draw attention away from your mistake with talk about "authority", "statists" or what choices you have made.

To the extent that the laws of one state affect the people of another, those law *are* the business of those people. To misportray these people exercising their right to engage in politics as "scolding" and "meddling" is merely an pitiful attempt to use emotive language because rational arguments will not support your argument which is in contradiction to american principles.
 
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Jerry, continuing to deny why everyone has criticized this person in this thread, and the discussions being held won't change the topic of the thread which is fact his discrimination of gays.
You're the only person on this thread who seems to think that. Roguenuke even just changed the object from gays to religion in exploring the subject.
 
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Subject. Verb. Object. I think you're starting to catch on, the subject of this thread is a repair shop owner, not gays.


Right, it's about a repair shop owner. I think you got it.

The subject of a sentence and the subject of this thread are two different matters.
 
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How would that be different than discriminating based on religion? In order to discriminate against someone in retail based in their religion, they either have to do something that makes a person assume they are of a certain religion or say something that does.
Really, two guys dropping off a car isn't out of place in the least. Even if they're both wearing wedding rings. If the shop banns Muslims, they're not going to know you're a Muslim unless you announce it. If the shop banns armed citizens, they aren't going to know you're armed unless you carry openly. A few years ago there was a gun shop which banned liberals, and had an immediate influx of both conservative who supported the policy and liberals who wanted to get away with braking it. The shop had record sales that year. This is exactly how Rush Limbaugh stays in business, the exact same marketing trick.

Aside from imposing an undue burden on the public when enforced, these policies are just silly in that they're largely unenforceable in the first place because the owner can't identify someone braking it.
 
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You're the only person on this thread who seems to think that. Roguenuke even just changed the object from gays to religion in exploring the subject.

Jerry, rogue is discussing DISCRIMINATION OF GAYS. Trying to distort her words now just makes your desperation to avoid your silly comparison seem less absurd.

The subject of a sentence and the subject of this thread are two different matters.

He doesn't get that yet.
 
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Jerry, rogue is discussing DISCRIMINATION OF GAYS. Trying to distort her words now just makes your desperation to avoid your silly comparison seem less absurd.



He doesn't get that yet.
If you think I've misquoted her post, you're welcome to report me.
 
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I am not a fan of boycotts but I hope this guy is run out of business by boycotting him so hard he will feel like the worlds greatest idiot for saying what he did about gays.

And if that does not work I would go and crowdfund me a company with the express business plan of running this guy out of business by opening a repair shop across the road from him and do everything he does for half the prize. But that would be me if I had money to burn ;)

That's actually a really good idea...I'd imagine it wouldn't be hard to outperform an unlicensed repair shop that turns away customers and threatens to do a **** job
 
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Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... And That's Legal


Oh boy, more contraversy. I think there are lots of guns in Michigan, so business will likely boom. No pun intended.

My favorite part of this story was the follow up by a local attorney who specializes in bankruptcy who said if the owner follows through on his promise to intentionally sabotage the repair of customers cars, he will eventually need his services.
 
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Actually, causing undue expense is grounds in court for a discrimination suit.
That's a farce. What if you came to my store and I had to close for the day due to illness, would you sue me?
 
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We're not in court.

He suggested he would do something deliberately harmful. Just desiring to do so is a sin. He's supposed to love the sinner (not the sin) and turn the other cheek. Not serve self-indulgent retribution.
 
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