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Two TSA Officers Fired for Scheme to Grope Attractive Men at Denver Airport

j-mac said:
So, here we are again...What a waste of money this system is...What are your thoughts on the story?
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I'm so glad we gave up the very small probability of terrorist attack for the very large probability of government misconduct. That was a great trade.
 
MrVicchio said:
Well accurate you are not. Jumbled social justice poppy ****.
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Just because you believe the propaganda that you were fed when you were young does not make it right.
 
Nicci said:
No, the best solution is to leave and never come back.

You want to see what works the best follow what we did to the USSR where we showed them how much better it is when we extend a hand of peace instead of war.

We've never done that in the region.
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The U.S.-Soviet rapprochement didn't simply result because the U.S. adopted a new approach of cooperation. During the 1970s, the U.S. offered cooperation in areas of mutual interest under Détente. During the late 1970s, Soviet activities in Africa, Afghanistan, etc., brought an end to Détente. U.S. policy shifted to pressure (scaling up of U.S. military capabilities, opposition to Soviet activity in Latin America, opposition to Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, etc.)

All the while, the Soviet internal situation was deteriorating. Aside from its military-related industries, the USSR had a grossly uncompetitive economy. Moreover, the economic decline was worsening. In large part, the Soviet economy suffered from the inherent defects of its centrally-planned, command approach that perverted the incentives and rewards necessary for economic success. U.S. pressure further complicated matters for the USSR, as the U.S. was leveraging its economic strength while the Soviets were compelled to devote more and more of a weakening economy to military matters. Upon assuming office, President Gorbachev understood that the Soviet Union's situation was unsustainable. He desperately wanted to turn things around and adopted a much more conciliatory worldview than which had been held by his predecessors in pursuit of respite.

The U.S. and West recognized that Gorbachev's policy shift was genuine. They reciprocated in the strategic policy shift toward cooperation and the stage was set for a peaceful resolution of the Cold War. In short, the policy shift was rooted in objective developments, not gestures of good will.

Had the U.S. or West unilaterally adopted such a stance during the 1970s, perhaps an unreformed Soviet Union would have overcome some of its underlying difficulties and used its better position to sustain the Cold War rivalry. Perhaps there would have been no opportunity for a would-be reformer along the lines of Gorbachev to ever assume office. Things could have turned out much worse than they did.
 
coyotedelmar said:
Oh yes, totally why I wanted to join TSA. It had nothing to do with the benefits, decent pay, and a job that sounds generally interesting; it was all about wanting to look at and touch boobs. Gee, glad you did a great job stereotyping so I'd know exactly what I wanted to do, I was so confused with that other stuff that is clearly bull****. No it's all about groping women!
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So you're not the kind of guy who wants to flaunt his authority all over the huddled masses?

And just to satisfy my stupid curiosity what's so interesting about the job?
 
j-mac said:
So, here we are again...What a waste of money this system is...What are your thoughts on the story?
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It is a waste of money because it is managed by the government. Everything else is just details.
 
Maybe there were no complaints because every one of these people were on the way to somewhere else and they didn't want to disrupt their travel for something that could take hours to get resolved.

You have a choice of continuing on your journey or reporting a TSA agent and staying where you are for hours and maybe never getting to where you were going.

What would you choose?
 
Nicci said:
Just because you believe the propaganda that you were fed when you were young does not make it right.
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And just because you spew nonsense doesn't mean I have to re-evaluate reality.
 
So now it isn't just grandma in the wheelchair or little Timmy who has to worry about being groped...it's grown men now.

WTF is going on in the Human Resources department of the TSA? Don't they do background checks on new hires....or is there some kind of Perv quota they're required to meet?
 
j-mac said:
So, here we are again...What a waste of money this system is...What are your thoughts on the story?
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Funny, I don't recall such scandals and abuses when airport security was run by a private companies.

j-mac said:
Never going to happen since they unionized....And as long as we continue to lose this war Islam has brought to us, then some type of security is needed...But, for Christ sake, don't they check out these morons they hire?
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Oh no. They use the standard government hiring standards.
Any wonder why so many government employees are surfing porn all day at work?
Any wonder why the Secret Service (I dare not call them SS) and the DEA are caught in such scandals?

Well, there ya go. Same hiring standards and same behavior standards, and same disciplinary protocols, which makes than dam hard to fire the abusers and slackers. All part of engendering a high performance culture in the organization. (cough cough).
 
Gaius46 said:
So you're not the kind of guy who wants to flaunt his authority all over the huddled masses?

And just to satisfy my stupid curiosity what's so interesting about the job?
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Scanning systems, security procedures etc. Basically I find security systems and the such interesting and thought it'd be interesting/fun to get to work with them (I got booted from the running after the medical exam though).


Doesn't mean agree with all their policies (in case someone wants to take it that far), the liquid rule is nothing more then a deterrent at best (a poor one at that, it'd take $2-$3 and a few extra minutes more). Not a fan of pat downs (had made it all the way to be being an employee and had to give them, or getting them when traveling), but it seems the technologies to replace them currently both have health concerns and haven't performed well in detection (granted according to wiki, sourced, but still). Still like some of the Israeli methods, minus the automatic assumption if they are Arab they are potential terrorist, to at the very least ease up the pat downs and body scanners and such.
 
MrVicchio said:
And just because you spew nonsense doesn't mean I have to re-evaluate reality.
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It isn't nonsense, if you'd read history you'd see where we have uninvited stuck our noses in their businesses for over sixty years and we haven't stopped. If you want to piss off a local population, affecting their history and government for no reason is a great way to make enemies fast.
 
Nicci said:
It isn't nonsense, if you'd read history you'd see where we have uninvited stuck our noses in their businesses for over sixty years and we haven't stopped. If you want to piss off a local population, affecting their history and government for no reason is a great way to make enemies fast.
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And prior to that we kept to ourselves and two world wars were started. You must prefer war then.
 
azgreg said:
Somebody want to remind me the last time the TSA caught a terrorist.
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The TSA isn't in charge of "stopping terrorists". It's in charge of looking for objects which might be used to hijack and plane or cause harm to other passengers. In that sense, the TSA has stopped quite a few people "transporting" mines, C4, grenades etc. I'm perfectly okay with having them do that. :shrug:
 
Hatuey said:
The TSA isn't in charge of "stopping terrorists". It's in charge of looking for objects which might be used to hijack and plane or cause harm to other passengers. In that sense, the TSA has stopped quite a few people "transporting" mines, C4, grenades etc. I'm perfectly okay with having them do that. :shrug:
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Don't forget the long list of weapons they didn't stop. I haven't seen anything that shows they have been more effective then the system that was in place before them.
 
azgreg said:
Don't forget the long list of weapons they didn't stop. I haven't seen anything that shows they have been more effective then the system that was in place before them.
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From 1970 to 2001, there were 23 hijackings or attempted hijackings of US aircraft. After 2001, there have been 0. If we weren't seeing a 'more effective' system, we'd expect the ratio of hijackings and attempted hijackings to remain the same. As they've SIGNIFICANTLY decreased, there is indeed a more effective system than whatever came before it.

Source: List of aircraft hijackings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
j-mac said:
So, here we are again...What a waste of money this system is...What are your thoughts on the story?
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TSA itself doesn't bother me, people that break the law and or abuse their powers/responsibility do. Fire them and and press charges if applicable. I don't judge the TSA based on the actions of morons no more than I judge police, judges, school teachers, priests etc.
 
LaylaWindu said:
TSA itself doesn't bother me, people that break the law and or abuse their powers/responsibility do. Fire them and and press charges if applicable. I don't judge the TSA based on the actions of morons no more than I judge police, judges, school teachers, priests etc.
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Yes, but you're having thoughts, rather than simple knee-jerk reactions.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Yes, but you're having thoughts, rather than simple knee-jerk reactions.
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Yes it's a terrible habit I have that seems to be missing with some others around here.
 
MrVicchio said:
And prior to that we kept to ourselves and two world wars were started. You must prefer war then.
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Yup they did and had we stopped there instead of embarking upon trying to create an empire, which we should have known would fail, as JFK said so in the 60s. We would not have had Vietnam, Afghanistan 2x, Gulf, 9/11, nor Iraq/Syria, etc issues.

We removed their leaders from power (except for Vietnam) and in every case, we messed up.
 
LaylaWindu said:
TSA itself doesn't bother me, people that break the law and or abuse their powers/responsibility do. Fire them and and press charges if applicable. I don't judge the TSA based on the actions of morons no more than I judge police, judges, school teachers, priests etc.
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Crazy talk. Burn the witch! ;-)
 
Hatuey said:
From 1970 to 2001, there were 23 hijackings or attempted hijackings of US aircraft. After 2001, there have been 0
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Not only a lack of indication as to WHY that actually is, but also ignoring attempts to detonate something, or the like, leaving a lot of potential holes in the logic if your attempted conclusion is that somehow the TSA can take all the credit for this.
 
While I would agree with you that one terrible incident shouldn't have necessarily meant that we systematically change our entire airport security protocols, the lapses in airport security not just at one national airport but three (minimum; and we still don't know to this day how many more hijackings were planned but weren't carried out) required us to change how airport security was being conducted.

I understand that people have this distrust in government from privacy issues to efficiency, but until TSA security protocols at each major U.S. airport was splintered with each airport doing their own thing. That may be fine for personal security protections but not when the public at- large needs broad- based security measures at our airports that are consistent. The only way this happens is for such security measures to come from a single, unified source.
 
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