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Two TSA Officers Fired for Scheme to Grope Attractive Men at Denver Airport

I'll go ahead and answer both of you at the same time.

We brought the war there when after WWII we allowed our allies to set up the people in power. In addition we continued to meddle with foreign governments without having a reason to, see Iran vs Iraq(80s), Mohammad Reza Pahlavi(Iran) (assassinated) Afghanistan (70s&80s), a faked Cold War and a Missile Crisis that never existed. There are tons of examples from the past that show how we brought the war to the middle east ourselves and while we sure don't deserve any attacks, to say our hands are clean is less than dishonest.

So, now we are responsible for the Brit's eh? Hell why stop there, be like your mentor, and go all the way to the Crusades....:roll:
 
I'm sorry but Islam didn't bring us to war, we brought war to them. Its stupid that we allowed the government to put this upon us for no reason than for spending more of our money. As if the unfounded wars were not enough.

Greetings, Nicci. :2wave:

They were content just to slaughter each other because of religious differences for over 1300 years before we joined the melee! Voila! a whole new group to hate and eliminate, because their God says they earn a place with him after they die if they obey him in killing the "infidels!" Prior to this, I didn't even know I was an infidel. :shock: :sigh: Live and learn...
 
I'll go ahead and answer both of you at the same time.

We brought the war there when after WWII we allowed our allies to set up the people in power. In addition we continued to meddle with foreign governments without having a reason to, see Iran vs Iraq(80s), Mohammad Reza Pahlavi(Iran) (assassinated) Afghanistan (70s&80s), a faked Cold War and a Missile Crisis that never existed. There are tons of examples from the past that show how we brought the war to the middle east ourselves and while we sure don't deserve any attacks, to say our hands are clean is less than dishonest.

The (bolded above) assertions seem to contradict each other; either we did or did not meddle to prevent "allies' from meddling. What we did was to make foreign policy decisions - sometimes to meddle and sometimes not to meddle. While we went all in to stop apartheid in South Africa we did (and continue to do) little or nothing about gender and religious discrimination in the ME. You cannot blame the US for both meddling and not meddling in the ME since they are mutually exclusive.
 
Airport/airline security was not fine. When four or five morons, armed with box cutters, are allowed to drive aircraft into buildings that was a sure indication that a airport/airline security problem existed. The addition of TSA nannies may be sufficient to provide adequate airport/airline security but I have my doubts. What TSA did was to shift that security responsibility to the government likely saving the airline industry lots of money.

No, it was fine and pointing one incident does not somehow change that. I don't expect things to be 100% perfect and I'm not going to call something a failure because one thing happened under their watch. Hell, the government fails to solve murders all the time, and yet no one is calling for their replacement. Go figure.
 
If you did that then the women would be complaining like they were before the policy was put in place. The fact is there isn't a policy that can be put in place that can make all the parties happy.

Well then women will be complaining, but if no actual groping occurs, then they need to be ignored like all the other whiners and complainers.
At any rate, it's definitely a catch22 for the LGBT issues. One that will ultimately need to be addressed.

As I point out in another post, it is interesting though that this man apparently didn't in fact grope anyone or pat-down inappropriately, he just inconvenienced people who might not otherwise been inconvenienced. If he'd groped anyone, there'd be complaints and apparently there are none.
 
Well then women will be complaining, but if no actual groping occurs, then they need to be ignored like all the other whiners and complainers.
At any rate, it's definitely a catch22 for the LGBT issues. One that will ultimately need to be addressed.

As I point out in another post, it is interesting though that this man apparently didn't in fact grope anyone or pat-down inappropriately, he just inconvenienced people who might not otherwise been inconvenienced. If he'd groped anyone, there'd be complaints and apparently there are none.

I doubt many men are likely to complain about it honestly. From the sounds of what happened however it is apparent he did grope the man in question. Anyway, the chances they are going to piss off women by putting in place your proposed policy is extremely likely and since society seems generally in agreement that women's interests are not to be ignored I wouldn't count on your proposed policy change ever happening.
 
The (bolded above) assertions seem to contradict each other; either we did or did not meddle to prevent "allies' from meddling. What we did was to make foreign policy decisions - sometimes to meddle and sometimes not to meddle. While we went all in to stop apartheid in South Africa we did (and continue to do) little or nothing about gender and religious discrimination in the ME. You cannot blame the US for both meddling and not meddling in the ME since they are mutually exclusive.
We didn't prevent their meddling and we did meddling of our own that is what I was trying to convey.

Half of the problems; if not more are from our own poor decisions in that region of the world.
 
Greetings, Nicci. :2wave:

They were content just to slaughter each other because of religious differences for over 1300 years before we joined the melee! Voila! a whole new group to hate and eliminate, because their God says they earn a place with him after they die if they obey him in killing the "infidels!" Prior to this, I didn't even know I was an infidel. :shock: :sigh: Live and learn...

Yup, had we just left well enough alone. We wouldn't even be having this discussion.
 
I doubt many men are likely to complain about it honestly. From the sounds of what happened however it is apparent he did grope the man in question.

Which man in question? He was turned in to the TSA by a tipster, it could be an employee or a friend/relative, someone who overheard him bragging about it.. we have no idea and assuming is idiotic.
 
Yup, had we just left well enough alone. We wouldn't even be having this discussion.

Our support of Israel would have been enough to paint a target on our backs.
 
Our support of Israel would have been enough to paint a target on our backs.
Perhaps we shouldn't have let UK draw the countries borders(Israel). We did have a say in that mess after the war.

There are a lot of things that we have targets on our back for, but supporting another country is not one of them.
 
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Nope, how about file charges against them for sexual assault ?

The **** would stop in a instant

Regardless of NBC's hype, there's no evidence the TSA officer actually ever groped anyone. They've been watching him for a while in order to get evidence to fire him, but no criminal charges because no one complained... if they'd seen groping on the surveillance of his pat-downs during their investigations they'd have proof, which they don't which tells me he conducted the pat-downs according to regulations.

Edited to add, okay his palms were facing the wrong way, though I question the validity of a pat-down by the backs of anyone's hands. If that's groping they should've arrested him.
 
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Which man in question? He was turned in to the TSA by a tipster, it could be an employee or a friend/relative, someone who overheard him bragging about it.. we have no idea and assuming is idiotic.

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A TSA investigator observed the scheme in action at 9:25 a.m. on Feb. 9, when he saw a screener give a signal to another and then pat down the passenger's groin and buttocks using the palms of his hands, which is forbidden by TSA rules, according to the police report.

They caught the guy in the act from the sounds of it.
 
No, it was fine and pointing one incident does not somehow change that. I don't expect things to be 100% perfect and I'm not going to call something a failure because one thing happened under their watch. Hell, the government fails to solve murders all the time, and yet no one is calling for their replacement. Go figure.

That one thing would very likely have bankrupted two US airlines and their insurance companies. IMHO, the smart call would have been to have let that happen and to ground all airlines until security was improved. The government should provide security standards and personnel to check for compliance but not to assume security responsibility directly - especially, after the fact.
 
Never going to happen since they unionized....And as long as we continue to lose this war Islam has brought to us, then some type of security is needed...But, for Christ sake, don't they check out these morons they hire?

Its nothing but expensive security theatre...
 
So, here we are again...What a waste of money this system is...What are your thoughts on the story?

What are the odds that these two unionized, government employees will get their jobs back and if they don't there will be human rights lawsuits filed for discrimination based on sexual orientation?
 
We didn't prevent their meddling and we did meddling of our own that is what I was trying to convey.

Half of the problems; if not more are from our own poor decisions in that region of the world.

I do not disagree that we have made (and continue to make) poor foreign policy decisions. What, exactly, do you suggest that we do to get all of that toothpaste back into the tube? When someone declares war on the US that is not time to say that we deserved it - that is time to defend ourselves from attack by eliminating the attackers.
 
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They caught the guy in the act from the sounds of it.

Not really though, or they'd have arrested him and brought criminal charges. If a crime is seen, it can be reported and acted on and they claim his hands were turned the wrong way. If that's groping and the authorities saw it, then a crime occurred. IF they didn't arrest, one did not.
 
So, here we are again...What a waste of money this system is...What are your thoughts on the story?

TSA is terrible and I hate it. So, so, so much. But it doesn't mean it isn't useful. I think people underestimate the psychological impact airport security has on peoples confidence in flying. Even if they don't acknowledge or realize it.
 
But, for Christ sake, don't they check out these morons they hire?

TSA application is incredibly long, both in waiting just to get to the interview part and getting through all the steps, oh and waiting some more until you get drawn from the pool of qualified workers. IIRC after all that (and training) you start on probation for a year and can be fired for pretty much anything, as well as randomly tested.

Minimum wage earners in a position of authority.

When I applied I recall it being more then minimum wage, see the lowest pay band is pretty close to it though (link below). Maybe locality pay here bumped it up a good bit *shrugs*. Get better benefits then most minimum wage jobs, as far as I'm aware.
Pay Bands | Transportation Security Administration
Benefits | Transportation Security Administration
 
Not really though, or they'd have arrested him and brought criminal charges. If a crime is seen, it can be reported and acted on and they claim his hands were turned the wrong way. If that's groping and the authorities saw it, then a crime occurred. IF they didn't arrest, one did not.

The article explained why there wasn't charges filed. The man in question didn't report it and thus the government hasn't done anything.
 
I do not disagree that we have made (and continue to make) poor foreign policy decisions. What, exactly, do you suggest that we do to get all of that toothpaste back into the tube? When someone declares war on the US that is not time to say that we deserved it - that is time to defend ourselves from attack by eliminating the attackers.
No, the best solution is to leave and never come back.

You want to see what works the best follow what we did to the USSR where we showed them how much better it is when we extend a hand of peace instead of war.

We've never done that in the region.
 
TSA is terrible and I hate it. So, so, so much. But it doesn't mean it isn't useful. I think people underestimate the psychological impact airport security has on peoples confidence in flying. Even if they don't acknowledge or realize it.

I haven't flown since before 9/11. Guess why.
 
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