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Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

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Well this is why no one who is gay should ever consider associating with repubs like this. Talk about getting slapped in the face and asking for more
 
But I love pizza!

I think some people get too invested in the stereotypes they create to really look at specific circumstances. And some just aren't smart enough.

Oh so stereotypes explains why every single repub prez candidate is extremely anti gay
 
Actually, it will only be a problem for people who wouldn't vote GOP anyway. And this still wasn't a GOP event.

Nah there are TONS of young voters who identify conservative but support gay rights. They won't vote for hillary, but they'll just stay home
 
Then you obviously don't understand the meaning of the word always, and if you think 2014 was typical, then you weren't paying attention. Both 2010 and 2014 were huge defeats for the Democrats by any measure. Trying to obscure those two shellackings is pretty disingenuous.

No one i know pays any mind to midterms. The turnout is pathetic and congress is worthless, so it doesn't even matter who wins.
 
Wellll:
2015 WSJ/NBC poll
59% of all Americans support same sex marriage
40% of Republicans support same sex marriage
35% of conservatives support same sex marriage
29% of core Republican voters support same sex marriage
50% of Republican voters would be less favorable to a candidate who didn't support same sex marriage
19% would be more favorable

Support for Gay Marriage Hits All-Time High — WSJ/NBC News Poll - Washington Wire - WSJ


2014 Gallup
55% of all Americans in favor of same sex marriage
58% of independents in favor of same sex marriage
63% of moderates in favor of same sex marriage

Same-Sex Marriage Support Reaches New High at 55%


So yeah, tide is changing. Still think Republicans would do much better with younger voters if they eased way up on social issues. Highly doubt the "religious right," is going to bolt if they did. Who are they even going to vote for if they tried? Libertarians would probably be seen almost as bad as voting democrat, and not sure any of the smaller parties on the right even get on the ballot most of the time.

Polls are awesome...right up until people go to actually vote on things. Funny how the results dont match the polls. Course...that could be because polls are designed to produce predetermined results. But since the polls are so reliable, now would be a swell time to put this issue to a vote and put it to bed once and for all.
 
Well this is why no one who is gay should ever consider associating with repubs like this. Talk about getting slapped in the face and asking for more
You are correct. If you are gay and only care about gay marriage, you should never be a republican.
 
The republican base is primarily motivated by social issues. They talk small government, but its the culture war whipping post of the day that brings them out in droves to the polls. They will have to find another group to demonize before gays and lesbians are really accepted in the party. In fact I would say the Log Cabin Republicans are fighting a losing battle trying to get the socially conservative right to accept them. What they need to do is find the socially conservative right another group to demonize. Maybe gay Muslims. Then the Log Cabin Republicans could describe themselves as non-Muslim Gays and thus not a part of the Muslim Gay and Lesbian Agenda.

I was so sure that group would be illegals, but with a net 0 immigration the past few years, it's not only a non issue but they can't afford to alienate hispanic voters even more.

But i agree with you that they'll have to find another target before moving on from gay bashing. I mean, the last thing repubs can afford to do is allow real issues to be the focus. They can't risk losing all those rural and southern dwellers who have proven willing to vote against their own economic interest, so long as there's a minority they can vote against.
 
I'll try and take this one. As I said earlier in the thread I have a lot of friends in both GOProud and Log Cabin Republicans and people always expect a gay republican to fit a particular mold. People tend to assume that they are basically just bohemians concerned about taxes when in fact they run the gamut. There are senior officers in both organizations who are genuine pro-life evangelical christians, and plenty in the rank and file as well. Do they represent the majority or even a large proportion? No. But they are there. The organizations pursue these conventions because their goal is to gain acceptance for their members in the Republican Party, all of their members. Furthermore the goal isn't just to steer the GOP ship of state towards a more socially liberal place, its to try and foster acceptance with all of the big factions within the party and thus widen the tent. Is it a fools errand to try and knock down the door at these things? Maybe, maybe not. But I remember when GOProud got its first booth at CPAC it stirred the pot, brought a lot of attention, and ended up winning some support to the cause from high profile donors, media figures, and the rank and file.

I long for the day that gay and lesbians are really and fully accepted in the Republican Party. Until that day I'm not going to cast aspersions on whatever efforts these organizations take to further the cause.

Well a couple things have changed. Dems have finally distinguished themselves in this area, so there is an alternative, and once the primary started, ALL the major candidates came forward with fred phelps level bigoted talk and extremist plans like undoing the supreme court decision. It seems to me that whatever progress was made within the party has been lost, at least where it counts
 
Well a couple things have changed. Dems have finally distinguished themselves in this area, so there is an alternative, and once the primary started, ALL the major candidates came forward with fred phelps level bigoted talk and extremist plans like undoing the supreme court decision. It seems to me that whatever progress was made within the party has been lost, at least where it counts

A massive amount of progress has been lost. As much as the establishment has regained control of the party and put a tamp on the radicals it's come at the cost of 'easy' concessions like this. When GOProud was banned from CPAC barely anyone raised a peep. We've come a long way from 2008 when we had a gay rights champion as a potential front runner--and it isn't good.
 
I would not have let them be part of a conservative event either. No conservative, of whatever sexual orientation, would favor having the Supreme Court concoct a constitutional "right" of homosexuals to marry each other. Any state that chooses to include same-sex couples in its marriage laws is already perfectly free to do that, as a number of states have. In the same way, every state should be free to exclude same-sex couples from its marriage laws. The matter does not raise any constitutional question.

The proponents of the homosexual agenda are statists, and like their fellow statist and idol Barack Obama, they do not give a damn about the Constitution or the rule of law. True to their bullying, brownshirt instincts, they care only about forcing everyone else to do things their way. The people who want to play junior gauleiter in this country are asking for a fight they are not ready for.
 
I would not have let them be part of a conservative event either. No conservative, of whatever sexual orientation, would favor having the Supreme Court concoct a constitutional "right" of homosexuals to marry each other. Any state that chooses to include same-sex couples in its marriage laws is already perfectly free to do that, as a number of states have. In the same way, every state should be free to exclude same-sex couples from its marriage laws. The matter does not raise any constitutional question.

The proponents of the homosexual agenda are statists, and like their fellow statist and idol Barack Obama, they do not give a damn about the Constitution or the rule of law. True to their bullying, brownshirt instincts, they care only about forcing everyone else to do things their way. The people who want to play junior gauleiter in this country are asking for a fight they are not ready for.

You are exactly what is destroying our party. Mindless, dogmatic, reactionary drivel. The homosexual agenda? Good god.

PS: Their idol Barack Obama? Have you ever met a gay person in real life? Let alone a gay Republican.
 
What "big tent" are you referring to? Since the 60's, the GOP has been taking in refugees from the liberalization of the Dems. The religious "right" used to be on the left. Many of the "GOP states" used to be staunch Dems.

In a system that realistically only has 2 parties, unity and harmony within a particular party is almost impossible. It looks like the Jews maybe ready to jump sides. If Labor ever woke up to how the greenie-weenie faction of the Dems has hurt them far more than the anti-union "right" ever has, we may see them jump also. Some of those have already changed. I know a few "old southern Democrats" who still say they are Dems but don't vote for or speak up for members of that party.

You mean the GOP took in the racists after the Dems passed the CRA. They finally found something worse than a Republican Lincoln freeing the slaves. The GOP is still shackled by those backward SOB's. Their "strength" has become their downfall.
 
From your link:

"The event is organized by The Centennial Institute, a think tank affiliated with Colorado Christian University."

No Christian group should participate in an event where they give the impression that they accept homosexuality as normal or morally equivalent to heterosexuality


Did you get that idea from The "How to be Intolerant Handbook"? :roll:




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll
 
I would not have let them be part of a conservative event either. No conservative, of whatever sexual orientation, would favor having the Supreme Court concoct a constitutional "right" of homosexuals to marry each other. Any state that chooses to include same-sex couples in its marriage laws is already perfectly free to do that, as a number of states have. In the same way, every state should be free to exclude same-sex couples from its marriage laws. The matter does not raise any constitutional question.

The proponents of the homosexual agenda are statists, and like their fellow statist and idol Barack Obama, they do not give a damn about the Constitution or the rule of law. True to their bullying, brownshirt instincts, they care only about forcing everyone else to do things their way. The people who want to play junior gauleiter in this country are asking for a fight they are not ready for.

I'm guessing you've never seen this before. Scroll to the bottom for a list of names and their positions. It was an impressive showing.

The bans are accordingly inconsistent with amici’s understanding of the properly limited role of government. Rather, amici embrace Barry Goldwater’s expression of that understanding, namely that “[w]e do not seek to lead anyone’s life for him—we seek only to secure his rights and to guarantee him opportunity to strive, with government performing only those needed and constitutionally sanctioned tasks which cannot otherwise be performed.

Amici further believe that when the government does act in ways that affect individual freedom in matters of family and child-rearing, it should promote family-supportive values like responsibility, fidelity, commitment, and stability. Much has been written about the deleterious impact of family breakdown in our Nation today. There is a need for more Americans to choose to participate in the institution of marriage. Yet these bans, by denying each member of an entire class of American citizens the right to marry the person he or she loves, discourage those important family values. They discourage responsibility, fidelity, and commitment. And they harm children, denying them and their loving parents the basic legal protections that provide stability and security so critical to child-rearing.

...concluded that there is no legitimate, fact-based reason for denying same-sex couples the same recognition in law that is available to opposite-sex couples. Rather, amici have concluded that marriage is strengthened, and its value to society and to individual families and couples is promoted, by providing access to civil marriage for all American couples—heterosexual or gay or lesbian alike. In particular, civil marriage provides stability for the children of same-sex couples, the value of which cannot be overestimated. In light of these conclusions, amici believe that the Fourteenth Amendment prohibits States from denying same-sex couples the legal rights and responsibilities that flow from the institution of civil marriage.

Kenneth B. Mehlman Et Al
 
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Organizers of a conservative conference in Denver this summer have told a gay Republican group it cannot have a booth at the event.

Read the article here: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event - US News

What happened to the GOP's big tent? Any ideas on that?

I am afraid we will see more of this. A lot of people that were very positive an gay rights have been turned off and are becoming angry since they feel the gay activists have overshot and are aggressively intruding on other people's Constitutional rights. The following triumphalism of broadcasting how bakers were crushed for following their conscience and other blatant bigotry have cost the gay movement dearly too.
 
How many conservative Christians support the Democratic Party? :roll:

Fill us in.

Interesting. Does that mean that the behavior of (for example) anti-WTO protestors or anti-war protestors can be laid at the feet of the Democrat Party?
 
Interesting. Does that mean that the behavior of (for example) anti-WTO protestors or anti-war protestors can be laid at the feet of the Democrat Party?

Of course, using what appears to be his logic.

The behavior of the Wall Street protestors can be laid at the feet of the Democratic Party, since most of them vote for Democrats. The actions and behaviors and words of the New Black Panthers can be laid at the feet of the Democratic Party, since most of them vote for the Democrats. Hell, let's lay George Zimmerman's behavior at the feet of the Democratic Party since he volunteered for and voted for Barack Obama.
 
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