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Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

We aren't talking about CPAC. Did you stumble into the wrong thread?

Ah. I see. When GOP convention A tells the Log Cabin Republicans, it shouldn't matter at all if GOP convention B does the same thing...even when GOP convention B is much bigger and more newsworthy than GOP convention A.

Is that what you're trying to say?
 
The republican base is primarily motivated by social issues. They talk small government, but its the culture war whipping post of the day that brings them out in droves to the polls. They will have to find another group to demonize before gays and lesbians are really accepted in the party. In fact I would say the Log Cabin Republicans are fighting a losing battle trying to get the socially conservative right to accept them. What they need to do is find the socially conservative right another group to demonize. Maybe gay Muslims. Then the Log Cabin Republicans could describe themselves as non-Muslim Gays and thus not a part of the Muslim Gay and Lesbian Agenda.
 
Like I said in another post, most people don't proudly wear the badge of being a sinner. [which we all are] These people of faith don't want to play nice, they shouldn't have to.

So people who wear multiple fibers are showing up in single fiber clothes or naked? Wow. And a 60 year old man with a 24yo trophy girlfriend on his arm isn't obviously a committer of adultery?

You've definitely pointed out one thing, those in those conventions are beyond stupid and unaware of their surroundings.
 
Wrong. Guy, the "republican base" is not the Republican PARTY. The majority of Republicans did support the positions I just listed. Go read the 1992 GOP platform sometime.

Considering that I made a distinction between the republican party and the republican base in my post it doesn't make much sense to claim I'm wrong on the basis that I didn't. The kind of things you find in the GOP platform of 1992 was EXACTLY the kind of thing the base rebelled against and exactly the kind of thing causing republicans problems in their party today.
 
Since this isn't a GOP function, but rather one sponsored by a think tank sponsored by a Christian university, so your argument is pretty much nullified.

This should have been the end of the thread.
 
So people who wear multiple fibers are showing up in single fiber clothes or naked? Wow. And a 60 year old man with a 24yo trophy girlfriend on his arm isn't obviously a committer of adultery?

:shrug: presumably if a group wanted to organize around adultery, then they, too, would not have been invited to set up a booth.
 
So people who wear multiple fibers are showing up in single fiber clothes or naked? Wow. And a 60 year old man with a 24yo trophy girlfriend on his arm isn't obviously a committer of adultery?

You've definitely pointed out one thing, those in those conventions are beyond stupid and unaware of their surroundings.

I'm not an ancient Hebrew so I wouldn't know about the cloth. [you're silly for bringing that up]

How do you know the 60 year old man is married? Or the 24 year old isn't his girlfriend or wife? Your comparison here is not relevant. Everyone knows the LCRs are homosexuals because they advertise it.
 
I'm not an ancient Hebrew so I wouldn't know about the cloth. [you're silly for bringing that up]

How do you know the 60 year old man is married? Or the 24 year old isn't his girlfriend or wife? Your comparison here is not relevant. Everyone knows the LCRs are homosexuals because they advertise it.

So it's okay to be a sinner, just don't tell anyone.... The religious right are hysterically stupid.
 
So it's okay to be a sinner, just don't tell anyone.... The religious right are hysterically stupid.

We are all sinners, my dear. Some of us are actually attempting to quit.

If you don't understand the difference,I can't help you.
 
We are all sinners, my dear. Some of us are actually attempting to quit.

If you don't understand the difference,I can't help you.

You have to believe in sinning to be a sinner. I don't, so I'm not.
 
I don't even get why gay Republicans try to connect with their party on anything other than economic issues. Social conservatives don't like them. This is a fact proven time and time again through legislation, statements, and party policy. It doesn't matter how much you support small government if the person you're going home with has the same gender as you. To the average social conservative, gay Republicans simply are an unimportant and insignificant percentage of the Republican party. One whose vote is not required.
 
It's not surprising in the slightest, but it does three things, but does only two things successfully.

1) Log Cabin Republicans get attention.

2) Log Cabin Republicans fight a battle to be seen as conservatives.

3) Log Cabin Republicans fight a battle to be seen as legitimate conservatives to normally unsympathetic (and even antagonistic) liberals.
 
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I don't even get why gay Republicans try to connect with their party on anything other than economic issues. Social conservatives don't like them. This is a fact proven time and time again through legislation, statements, and party policy. It doesn't matter how much you support small government if the person you're going home with has the same gender as you. To the average social conservative, gay Republicans simply are an unimportant and insignificant percentage of the Republican party. One whose vote is not required.

I'll try and take this one. As I said earlier in the thread I have a lot of friends in both GOProud and Log Cabin Republicans and people always expect a gay republican to fit a particular mold. People tend to assume that they are basically just bohemians concerned about taxes when in fact they run the gamut. There are senior officers in both organizations who are genuine pro-life evangelical christians, and plenty in the rank and file as well. Do they represent the majority or even a large proportion? No. But they are there. The organizations pursue these conventions because their goal is to gain acceptance for their members in the Republican Party, all of their members. Furthermore the goal isn't just to steer the GOP ship of state towards a more socially liberal place, its to try and foster acceptance with all of the big factions within the party and thus widen the tent. Is it a fools errand to try and knock down the door at these things? Maybe, maybe not. But I remember when GOProud got its first booth at CPAC it stirred the pot, brought a lot of attention, and ended up winning some support to the cause from high profile donors, media figures, and the rank and file.

I long for the day that gay and lesbians are really and fully accepted in the Republican Party. Until that day I'm not going to cast aspersions on whatever efforts these organizations take to further the cause.
 
Ah. I see. When GOP convention A tells the Log Cabin Republicans, it shouldn't matter at all if GOP convention B does the same thing...even when GOP convention B is much bigger and more newsworthy than GOP convention A.

Is that what you're trying to say?

Actually, no, that isn't what I was trying to say. What I was trying to say was that this thread wasn't about CPAC. It's about a Christian university in Colorado hosting its annual convention (convention A) and declining a request from the Log Cabin Republicans to have a booth there. No idea what convention B is. Nor do I care. Focus, please.
 
The big tent has never been bigger than a bivy sack. It is a primarily a White Southern Christian Party and has been for a while.

Well, I'm a white non-religious woman from the northeast. Does that mean I shouldn't try to get under the tent?

I'm also a conservative in the top 5% of earners who doesn't practice religion but fully supports the right others to do so, and who loves big profitable businesses. I'll bet the Democrats would welcome me with open arms.
 
So people who wear multiple fibers are showing up in single fiber clothes or naked? Wow. And a 60 year old man with a 24yo trophy girlfriend on his arm isn't obviously a committer of adultery?

You've definitely pointed out one thing, those in those conventions are beyond stupid and unaware of their surroundings.

So every 60 year old who is seen in the company of a woman 30+ years his junior is married to someone else and is committing adultery. Yes, and we all know how common it is for 24 year old women to be attracted to 60 year old men, and we all know how much married men love to flaunt their adultery in public.
 
Well, I'm a white non-religious woman from the northeast. Does that mean I shouldn't try to get under the tent?

I'm also a conservative in the top 5% of earners who doesn't practice religion but fully supports the right others to do so, and who loves big profitable businesses. I'll bet the Democrats would welcome me with open arms.

You are also in the New England. Not exactly the epicenter for today's GOP. You should spend sometime in the bible belt to see what most of today's Republican base looks like.
 
I'll try and take this one. As I said earlier in the thread I have a lot of friends in both GOProud and Log Cabin Republicans and people always expect a gay republican to fit a particular mold. People tend to assume that they are basically just bohemians concerned about taxes when in fact they run the gamut. There are senior officers in both organizations who are genuine pro-life evangelical christians, and plenty in the rank and file as well. Do they represent the majority or even a large proportion? No. But they are there. The organizations pursue these conventions because their goal is to gain acceptance for their members in the Republican Party, all of their members. Furthermore the goal isn't just to steer the GOP ship of state towards a more socially liberal place, its to try and foster acceptance with all of the big factions within the party and thus widen the tent. Is it a fools errand to try and knock down the door at these things? Maybe, maybe not. But I remember when GOProud got its first booth at CPAC it stirred the pot, brought a lot of attention, and ended up winning some support to the cause from high profile donors, media figures, and the rank and file.

I long for the day that gay and lesbians are really and fully accepted in the Republican Party. Until that day I'm not going to cast aspersions on whatever efforts these organizations take to further the cause.

That's great and all but it all does is say that some gays REALLY want to be accepted by Republicans on other issues. I don't question that at all, what I question is: What is the point? If Democrats today were in favor of every single environmentalist policy I supported but not in favor of maintaining civil rights legislation, I wouldn't vote for them. Gays that want to be included by Republicans are basically saying: "Listen, I'm okay with all of your laws which seek to discriminate against me, and I want to be accepted by you even though we don't agree on this particular issue which you support en masse". It's absurd. Why support a party who relies homophobia to get votes?
 
You are also in the New England. Not exactly the epicenter for today's GOP. You should spend sometime in the bible belt to see what most of today's Republican base looks like.

Oh there are still a lot of Republicans up here. Especially in NH. Hell, they just elected a Republican governor in MA. I've been to the south many times, I know what they look like down there. Just like the ones up here, actually. 2 legs, 2 eyes, 2 arms..generally speaking, of course.

Gotta go...Rangers are on.
 
But I thought Republicans supported liberty! Or is this just liberty for straight white people?

The event organizers exercised their liberty. Sad that some people don't recognize that
 
Organizers of a conservative conference in Denver this summer have told a gay Republican group it cannot have a booth at the event.

Read the article here: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event - US News

What happened to the GOP's big tent? Any ideas on that?

From your link:

"The event is organized by The Centennial Institute, a think tank affiliated with Colorado Christian University."

No Christian group should participate in an event where they give the impression that they accept homosexuality as normal or morally equivalent to heterosexuality
 
Actually, it will only be a problem for people who wouldn't vote GOP anyway. And this still wasn't a GOP event.

Wellll:
2015 WSJ/NBC poll
59% of all Americans support same sex marriage
40% of Republicans support same sex marriage
35% of conservatives support same sex marriage
29% of core Republican voters support same sex marriage
50% of Republican voters would be less favorable to a candidate who didn't support same sex marriage
19% would be more favorable

Support for Gay Marriage Hits All-Time High — WSJ/NBC News Poll - Washington Wire - WSJ


2014 Gallup
55% of all Americans in favor of same sex marriage
58% of independents in favor of same sex marriage
63% of moderates in favor of same sex marriage

Same-Sex Marriage Support Reaches New High at 55%


So yeah, tide is changing. Still think Republicans would do much better with younger voters if they eased way up on social issues. Highly doubt the "religious right," is going to bolt if they did. Who are they even going to vote for if they tried? Libertarians would probably be seen almost as bad as voting democrat, and not sure any of the smaller parties on the right even get on the ballot most of the time.
 
That's great and all but it all does is say that some gays REALLY want to be accepted by Republicans on other issues. I don't question that at all, what I question is: What is the point? If Democrats today were in favor of every single environmentalist policy I supported but not in favor of maintaining civil rights legislation, I wouldn't vote for them. Gays that want to be included by Republicans are basically saying: "Listen, I'm okay with all of your laws which seek to discriminate against me, and I want to be accepted by you even though we don't agree on this particular issue which you support en masse". It's absurd. Why support a party who relies homophobia to get votes?

Well, I know a guy who is essentially the quintessential Republican (even religiously), but is an openly gay man who wants gay marriage, public accommodation laws, and so forth. He's very critical of social pressure onto society to change their religious beliefs about his lifestyle as well.

He's essentially a standard Republican that wants to be married and be treated equally under the law. With that, is it really surprising that he supports the GOP over the Democratic Party?
 
The event organizers exercised their straight cis white male power. Sad that some people don't recognize that

Yes it is.

(Inb4 butthurt.)
 
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