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Ramadi could fall as ISIS militants lay siege, Iraqi official warns

Ramadi is a really important city in the war against ISIS that the US and Iraq really need to hold onto if they want to beat ISIS. Ramadi is also fairly populated, and if it falls to ISIS, I don't think they will let the civilians just walk away.
 
Ramadi is a really important city in the war against ISIS that the US and Iraq really need to hold onto if they want to beat ISIS. Ramadi is also fairly populated, and if it falls to ISIS, I don't think they will let the civilians just walk away.

They will make the rounds, sell off the women and children who will bring a good price, kill anyone who isn't sunni, and force the rest to follow their law or die. A few weeks ago they beheaded a guy for smoking cigarettes.
 
Insecure, unintelligent, angry, and entitled. She's like everyone's worst ex-girlfriend or ex-wife.

Wow.

Even my throw aways never came close to that. and if its wives and ex gf's, we need to talk about weight and, well, wardrobe...we need less malfunction and more cover, like a full burkha...
 
Wow.

Even my throw aways never came close to that. and if its wives and ex gf's, we need to talk about weight and, well, wardrobe...we need less malfunction and more cover, like a full burkha...

I think Hillary in a burkha, headscarf and all would be a boom for America.
 
I might venture to look a TV outside of hockey.

No, wait. It's been a wonderful 22 years without it. Nah. even with a Burkha having TV is simply too much agony to ask of anyone.

Its painful. I almost never watch, and when I do its either a movie I want to see, or the history channel.
 
Its painful. I almost never watch, and when I do its either a movie I want to see, or the history channel.

Commercials are insulting. They melt minds and cause early onset Alzheimer's as early as 11.

Boycott the lying bastards.

I used to work in television, I know how they lie!
 
Commercials are insulting. They melt minds and cause early onset Alzheimer's as early as 11.

Boycott the lying bastards.

I used to work in television, I know how they lie!

The commercials are horrible! I can't help but ask myself if western society has been reduced to this.
 
The commercials are horrible! I can't help but ask myself if western society has been reduced to this.

Yes, and sinking.

The other night at a friend's I caught the Canucks V.0 resurgent and watched the same Ford truck commercial four times an hour. I had no idea simply riding in a truck could be so orgasmicly delightful. It made me wonder though how bright they are? They show the exact same commercial four times an hour, 14 times over all repeating the message to the same people over and over. If you haven't convinced them the first times, another six is mere hammerhead thinking.

How stupid do they think we are? Used to be a great punchline of a forgotten comedian who poked at TV in the 60's. The answer is very. Commercials have gotten worse.


Next time you can, count how many three syllable words there are in a commercial script. And while you're at it, count the number of times a day you hear of see "new", "improved", "low fat" or "organic" in a day.

Then ask yourself if you totally comprehend what they are saying enough to give a three minute lecture on the details.
 
Yes, and sinking.

The other night at a friend's I caught the Canucks V.0 resurgent and watched the same Ford truck commercial four times an hour. I had no idea simply riding in a truck could be so orgasmicly delightful. It made me wonder though how bright they are? They show the exact same commercial four times an hour, 14 times over all repeating the message to the same people over and over. If you haven't convinced them the first times, another six is mere hammerhead thinking.

How stupid do they think we are? Used to be a great punchline of a forgotten comedian who poked at TV in the 60's. The answer is very. Commercials have gotten worse.


Next time you can, count how many three syllable words there are in a commercial script. And while you're at it, count the number of times a day you hear of see "new", "improved", "low fat" or "organic" in a day.

Then ask yourself if you totally comprehend what they are saying enough to give a three minute lecture on the details.

Lolz I hear you. While I understand to an extent what they (businesses seeking to make money) are doing, and even understand the marketing is likely effective-I resent the reality it represents. I dont like knowing how suggestible and naive so many people are. Frankly, im a little angry and disgusted, though I at least understand.

How did western civilization get to this? Did my great grandparents shudder in sod huts for this? Did I work as hard as I have and seen what I have for this?
 
Lolz I hear you. While I understand to an extent what they (businesses seeking to make money) are doing, and even understand the marketing is likely effective-I resent the reality it represents. I dont like knowing how suggestible and naive so many people are. Frankly, im a little angry and disgusted, though I at least understand.

How did western civilization get to this? Did my great grandparents shudder in sod huts for this? Did I work as hard as I have and seen what I have for this?


I think of my grandfather who never drove nor owned a car. He was impervious to sales pitches. My dad, the same way. Practical and solid.

Around me I see conspicuous consumption for image. It is not sufficient to have a good baby stroller, we must have a top of the line engineered by Klingons titanium strollers with inflatable wheels hydraulic lifts to ease the kid in and out and internet connectivity so mommy doesn't have to deal with the kid and can text and walk at the same time.

In this city, Lamborghini's, Ferrari's and some very slick Audi's are common, to buy groceries.

I envy them nothing, but stand agape and wonder what part of their lives is show shallow they need those kind of images to present to the world about who they are.

How did we get here? Because we could. Greed is good!
 
They will make the rounds, sell off the women and children who will bring a good price, kill anyone who isn't sunni, and force the rest to follow their law or die. A few weeks ago they beheaded a guy for smoking cigarettes.

Meanwhile, Obama will most likely be golfing somewhere while not caring about what they're doing.
 
I think of my grandfather who never drove nor owned a car. He was impervious to sales pitches. My dad, the same way. Practical and solid.

Around me I see conspicuous consumption for image. It is not sufficient to have a good baby stroller, we must have a top of the line engineered by Klingons titanium strollers with inflatable wheels hydraulic lifts to ease the kid in and out and internet connectivity so mommy doesn't have to deal with the kid and can text and walk at the same time.

In this city, Lamborghini's, Ferrari's and some very slick Audi's are common, to buy groceries.

I envy them nothing, but stand agape and wonder what part of their lives is show shallow they need those kind of images to present to the world about who they are.

How did we get here? Because we could. Greed is good!

Its all about the bling, symbolism over substance. Frankly, the whole impervious to sales pitch thing, the no-nonsense outlook is something I see more in immigrants these days-and I love it. Wish it was more prevalent in society as a whole.

An open and free society is a great thing, but without some degree of virtue it gets to this. Moral relativism has contributed.
 
Its all about the bling, symbolism over substance. Frankly, the whole impervious to sales pitch thing, the no-nonsense outlook is something I see more in immigrants these days-and I love it. Wish it was more prevalent in society as a whole.

An open and free society is a great thing, but without some degree of virtue it gets to this. Moral relativism has contributed.

Moral relativism is the cause. You have an entire political party founded on that principle
 
From The Washington Post:

A column of traffic several vehicles wide snaked for miles at a checkpoint in Sadr al-Yusufiyah, on the edge of Baghdad province, as minibuses, cars and trucks picked up families who crossed by foot carrying their possessions in bags and wheelbarrows. Suhaib al-Rawi, the governor of Anbar province, of which Ramadi is the capital, described it as a human disaster on a scale the city has never witnessed.

U.S. and Iraqi officials have warned that the city is at risk of falling to the Islamic State despite seven months of airstrikes by U.S. planes in Anbar. Such a loss would be a serious blow to Iraq’s government, which recently announced a military campaign for the province after retaking the militant stronghold of Tikrit, and to the international effort to push back the militant group, whose gains in Ramadi have demonstrated an ability to create chaos even while under pressure.


Thousands of Iraqis flee as Islamic State makes gains in Sunni heartland - The Washington Post

On April 14,the BBC reported:

Islamic State (IS) has lost more than a quarter of its territory in Iraq since the US-led coalition air campaign began in August, a Pentagon spokesman says.

Iraq 'retakes over quarter of Islamic State territory' - BBC News

The differing accounts suggest a risk that the territorial situation remains fluid. Iraqi gains in some areas have occurred, but Iraqi losses have occurred in others. Moreover, even where gains have occurred, the issue of sustainability may exist. In short, ISIS continues to pose major risks in Iraq (as well as Syria). Much more remains to be done before the ISIS threat is significantly reduced.
 
From The Washington Post:

A column of traffic several vehicles wide snaked for miles at a checkpoint in Sadr al-Yusufiyah, on the edge of Baghdad province, as minibuses, cars and trucks picked up families who crossed by foot carrying their possessions in bags and wheelbarrows. Suhaib al-Rawi, the governor of Anbar province, of which Ramadi is the capital, described it as a human disaster on a scale the city has never witnessed.

U.S. and Iraqi officials have warned that the city is at risk of falling to the Islamic State despite seven months of airstrikes by U.S. planes in Anbar. Such a loss would be a serious blow to Iraq’s government, which recently announced a military campaign for the province after retaking the militant stronghold of Tikrit, and to the international effort to push back the militant group, whose gains in Ramadi have demonstrated an ability to create chaos even while under pressure.


Thousands of Iraqis flee as Islamic State makes gains in Sunni heartland - The Washington Post

On April 14,the BBC reported:

Islamic State (IS) has lost more than a quarter of its territory in Iraq since the US-led coalition air campaign began in August, a Pentagon spokesman says.

Iraq 'retakes over quarter of Islamic State territory' - BBC News

The differing accounts suggest a risk that the territorial situation remains fluid. Iraqi gains in some areas have occurred, but Iraqi losses have occurred in others. Moreover, even where gains have occurred, the issue of sustainability may exist. In short, ISIS continues to pose major risks in Iraq (as well as Syria). Much more remains to be done before the ISIS threat is significantly reduced.

I wonder if six months from now we will see an ISIS offensive in Tikrik. ISIS really doesn't seem strong enough to hold territory when confronted by a credible force. We will see if the Iraqi army is any different. They haven't proven it so far.
 
From The Washington Post:

A column of traffic several vehicles wide snaked for miles at a checkpoint in Sadr al-Yusufiyah, on the edge of Baghdad province, as minibuses, cars and trucks picked up families who crossed by foot carrying their possessions in bags and wheelbarrows. Suhaib al-Rawi, the governor of Anbar province, of which Ramadi is the capital, described it as a human disaster on a scale the city has never witnessed.

U.S. and Iraqi officials have warned that the city is at risk of falling to the Islamic State despite seven months of airstrikes by U.S. planes in Anbar. Such a loss would be a serious blow to Iraq’s government, which recently announced a military campaign for the province after retaking the militant stronghold of Tikrit, and to the international effort to push back the militant group, whose gains in Ramadi have demonstrated an ability to create chaos even while under pressure.


Thousands of Iraqis flee as Islamic State makes gains in Sunni heartland - The Washington Post

On April 14,the BBC reported:

Islamic State (IS) has lost more than a quarter of its territory in Iraq since the US-led coalition air campaign began in August, a Pentagon spokesman says.

Iraq 'retakes over quarter of Islamic State territory' - BBC News

The differing accounts suggest a risk that the territorial situation remains fluid. Iraqi gains in some areas have occurred, but Iraqi losses have occurred in others. Moreover, even where gains have occurred, the issue of sustainability may exist. In short, ISIS continues to pose major risks in Iraq (as well as Syria). Much more remains to be done before the ISIS threat is significantly reduced.

Even the fact that Iraqi's aren't making and holding gains is a sign of the failure.
 
I wonder if six months from now we will see an ISIS offensive in Tikrik. ISIS really doesn't seem strong enough to hold territory when confronted by a credible force. We will see if the Iraqi army is any different. They haven't proven it so far.

Of course they aren't, but they are fluid-they can move and hold territory after conventional forces pull out. If need be, they can pull across to Syria or elsewhere until the heat dies back down and move back in.
 
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