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China and Russia Sign Contract for S-400 Missile Systems

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As I have said before the neocon doctrine of pre-emption which as resulted in the situation in Ukraine and the US pivot to east Asia will result in pushing Russia and China closer together. One area will be in the development and sharing of advanced military technology. Here is an example

China has purchased advanced Russian-made S-400 air defense systems, the CEO of Russia's arms export agency Anatoly Isaikin said in an interview published Monday by newspaper Kommersant.

Purchases of the S-400 have previously been restricted to Russia's Defense Ministry, which gets first rights on all new hardware before manufacturers can hawk it on the global market.

“That [China was the first foreign buyer] can only emphasize the strategic level of our relationship,” Isaikin said.

The S-400, manufactured by Almaz-Antey, is an upgrade of the popular S-300 air defense system, which is capable of targeting up to 36 airplanes at a range of 150 kilometers. The S-400 has the ability to not only shoot down airplanes, but also ballistic missiles, according to Russian reports.

Though Isaikin would not elaborate on the terms of the deal with China, newspaper Vedomosti reported in November that Beijing had signed a $3 billion contract for at least six S-400 divisions, which have about eight missile launchers each.
 
As I have said before the neocon doctrine of pre-emption which as resulted in the situation in Ukraine and the US pivot to east Asia will result in pushing Russia and China closer together. One area will be in the development and sharing of advanced military technology. Here is an example

Other than a brief squabble in 1969, they have always been frenemies.

Russia and China, the ultimate frenemies | Russia Direct
 
Other than a brief squabble in 1969, they have always been frenemies.

Actually it has been more than that. They have had disputes over the delivery of advanced military technology, especially critical jet engine technology. However the fact that Russia appears to be willing to give them their most advance air defense system, as well of one of their most sophisticated jet fighters means that both are taking cooperation in advanced military systems to a new level.
 
Also of interest was the announcement late last year that China would buy advanced Su-35 fighters and submarines from Russia. According to this report this was the first time in more than a decade that such a purchase had taken place.

China is set to purchase two dozen fighter jets and four submarines from Russia, Chinese state media say.

The deal to buy the Su-35 fighters and Lada-class submarines was signed before the recent visit by President Xi Jinping to Moscow, the Chinese newspaper People’s Dailycited state television on Monday.

According to the report, it is the first time in a decade that Beijing purchases “large military technological equipment” from Moscow.

China’s military expansion comes amid its dispute with Japan over a chain of uninhabited islands claimed by both countries in the East China Sea.

Two of the submarines will reportedly be built in Russia, with the other two to be built in China. The value for the agreement, however, was not mentioned in the report.

Moscow and Beijing are also expected to work together in the field of military technology, which includes building S-400 long-range anti-aircraft missiles, 117S large thrust engines, IL-476 large transport aircraft and IL-78 aerial tankers, according to the report.

However, China's Defense Ministry has not commented on the report yet.

The Chinese president paid a three-day visit to Moscow from Friday to Sunday. He held talks with his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin during his first foreign trip since becoming president earlier in March.

The two sides reportedly signed about 30 deals in the energy sector and other areas during Xi’s stay.

The Chinese president also met with Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, becoming the first foreign head of state to visit the Russian armed forces' control center.

China to Purchase Fighter Jets, Submarines from Russia
 
It's no lack of love for neocons. It is a lack of love for the U.S.
 
It's no lack of love for neocons. It is a lack of love for the U.S.

From what I have seen the doctrine of pre-emption creates more problems than it solves in that it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Over and above that, the case of Iraq demonstrates that it creates problems such as Iraq's WMDs that are not there. The U.S. spent trillions of dollars, lost thousands of men and many more maimed for life in the wild goose chase.
 
As I have said before the neocon doctrine of pre-emption which as resulted in the situation in Ukraine and the US pivot to east Asia will result in pushing Russia and China closer together.
There's no neocon in the WH. Putin preempted Ukraine.
 
Simpleχity;1064526852 said:
There's no neocon in the WH. Putin preempted Ukraine.

Obama has some neocon influence with respect to foreign policy with Ukraine. The appointment of Victoria Nuland to her post demonstrates this. Not only that but Obama has gotten some praise from none other than Robert Kagan himself.
 
Obama has some neocon influence with respect to foreign policy with Ukraine. The appointment of Victoria Nuland to her post demonstrates this. Not only that but Obama has gotten some praise from none other than Robert Kagan himself.
Anytime you want to argue Ukraine, I'll be in the Europe forum with bells on.
 
Other than a brief squabble in 1969, they have always been frenemies.

Russia and China, the ultimate frenemies | Russia Direct

Sure, but it gets better.

The leaders of China and Russia on Tuesday cited their nations' deepening strategic connections, Russia Today reported (see GSN, April 12).

"Thanks to joint efforts we raised the level of Russian-Chinese cooperation to unprecedented height and quality," Russian President Vladimir Putin said in his first trip to Beijing since he returned to the presidency last month.

http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/chin...ogether-counter-us-military-force-projection/
 
Sure, but it gets better.

The leaders of China and Russia on Tuesday cited their nations' deepening strategic connections, Russia Today reported (see GSN, April 12).

"Thanks to joint efforts we raised the level of Russian-Chinese cooperation to unprecedented height and quality," Russian President Vladimir Putin said in his first trip to Beijing since he returned to the presidency last month.

China, Russia Moving Closer Together, Leaders Say | Global Security Newswire | NTI

Had to happen. Especially with a weakened US.
 
Had to happen. Especially with a weakened US.

USFP for years is a big contributor to strengthening ties between the two, which I don't think will go well for the US. The Council on Foreign Relations is quite clear in their understanding on this, in their opposition to arming Ukraine, which they consider "feckless" policy, they have this to say:

And let’s not forget the broader costs of this feckless policy. We are pushing Russia closer to China, which is not in the long-term U.S. interest. We have brought cooperation on nuclear security with Russia to an end, even though there are still large quantities of inadequately

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/02/09/how-not-to-save-ukraine-arming-kiev-is-a-bad-idea/
 
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USFP for years is a big contributor to strengthening ties between the two, which I don't think will go well for the US. The Council on Foreign Relations is quite clear in their understanding on this, in their opposition to arming Ukraine, which they consider "feckless" policy, they have this to say:

And let’s not forget the broader costs of this feckless policy. We are pushing Russia closer to China, which is not in the long-term U.S. interest. We have brought cooperation on nuclear security with Russia to an end, even though there are still large quantities of inadequately

Why Arming Kiev Is a Really, Really Bad Idea | Foreign Policy

If that was the intended goal, I don't understand why. Seems like making them at odds would be better.

But the CFR is all about a one world system. Cant' have that without Russia and China being friendly.
 
If that was the intended goal, I don't understand why. Seems like making them at odds would be better.

But the CFR is all about a one world system. Cant' have that without Russia and China being friendly.

The CFR is composed of scholars of various positions, religions, politics, etc. anyway, who said USFP made any sense?
 
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Some believe the CFR is the elitist invisible government that wants the entire world under their thumbs.

Not surprising that they want everyone to seem like friends.

The Invisible Government, by Dan Smoot

Here a list of their past membership..hardly just a group of scholars

CFR Members

Yeah, I know about that. I read articles posted by the senior fellows at Foreign Policy daily, and I really don't see anything nefarious. They certainly are right about Ukraine, and other US policies that are causing Russia and China to forge stronger ties. Both of them have complained that the current uni-polar world is a threat to global security, and intend to do something about it.
 
Yeah, I know about that. I read articles posted by the senior fellows at Foreign Policy daily, and I really don't see anything nefarious. They certainly are right about Ukraine, and other US policies that are causing Russia and China to forge stronger ties. Both of them have complained that the current uni-polar world is a threat to global security, and intend to do something about it.

Of course they seem right about lots of stuff. They're the Elites who know best. They and their corporate sponsors have been making decision in every facet of our lives since the early 1900s.

Just know that Bill and Chelsea are both current members...watching over us.;)
 
Of course they seem right about lots of stuff. They're the Elites who know best. They and their corporate sponsors have been making decision in every facet of our lives since the early 1900s.

Just know that Bill and Chelsea are both current members...watching over us.;)

So the CFR is the fabled shadow government controlling America's destiny, ok fine.
 
Sure, but it gets better.

The leaders of China and Russia on Tuesday cited their nations' deepening strategic connections, Russia Today reported (see GSN, April 12).

"Thanks to joint efforts we raised the level of Russian-Chinese cooperation to unprecedented height and quality," Russian President Vladimir Putin said in his first trip to Beijing since he returned to the presidency last month.

China, Russia Moving Closer Together, Leaders Say | Global Security Newswire | NTI

Servant to Master.
 
Obama has some neocon influence with respect to foreign policy with Ukraine. The appointment of Victoria Nuland to her post demonstrates this. Not only that but Obama has gotten some praise from none other than Robert Kagan himself.

Putin is an ethnic cleansing war criminal and an overt imperialist so spare us your faux indignation.
 
Putin is an ethnic cleansing war criminal and an overt imperialist so spare us your faux indignation.

That what world leaders are today, including every U.S. President. Under what rock have you been hiding?
 
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