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Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

MMC said:
Well, at least Putin says once the agreement is reached. They can pick up the S300. Until then....it wont be a problem. But you correct.....they will make it more difficult to go after their Nuke facilities.
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"go after their nuke facilities."???

We hacked them to set their nuke tech back to the stone age. Who the hell ever talked about bombing them or something? I think the closest we'll ever get to flying near them is silently dropping off a spec ops team a couple miles away so that they can infiltrate and insert a USB or something in the facilities.
 
Luftwaffe said:
"go after their nuke facilities."???

We hacked them to set their nuke tech back to the stone age. Who the hell ever talked about bombing them or something? I think the closest we'll ever get to flying near them is silently dropping off a spec ops team a couple miles away so that they can infiltrate and insert a USB or something in the facilities.
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Yeah for anyone.....that's if the deal falls thru.
 
Simpleχity;1064526832 said:
Hi there MMC. What he's been saying since he rolled into Crimea ... eff off.


Maybe. Iran will have a highly sophisticated missile system to protect its nuclear infrastructure and a weapons daddy on the UNSC to help it out there also.
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To the bolded, sounds a lot like the US/Israeli relationship!
 
Funny, all the fuss over Russia not wanting NATO "defensive" missile systems on its border, while choking on Iran installing them.
 
Montecresto said:
Funny, all the fuss over Russia not wanting NATO "defensive" missile systems on its border, while choking on Iran installing them.
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Russia placed Iskander (nuclear capable) missiles in Kaliningrad which borders two NATO states. The old -- Do as I say not as I do syndrome.

And unlike Iran which has attempted to hide its illegal nuclear facilities, Denmark has no nuclear reactors at all.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Oh my. what wasps have been disturbed by poking that nest.

If there is not war, it will be because someone wiser the Obama has interceded and found a solution. Countries do not buy missiles because they have peaceful intentions.
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So what does that make Western countries? We have been buying, selling and making missiles for years.
 
Simpleχity;1064530748 said:
Russia placed Iskander (nuclear capable) missiles in Kaliningrad which borders two NATO states. The old -- Do as I say not as I do syndrome.

And unlike Iran which has attempted to hide its illegal nuclear facilities, Denmark has no nuclear reactors at all.
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Hypocrisy on both sides is inescapable. Not everybody agrees with you that Iran's nuclear program is illegal. And if when you say, "attempted to hide", you refer to them being built underground, it's not unreasonable for Iran to believe that Israel will bomb any nuclear program regardless of what the UN determines its nature to be. I suppose if they could, they'd hide Tehran underground too!
 
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Higgins86 said:
So what does that make Western countries? We have been buying, selling and making missiles for years.
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What the **** are you on about?

I said nothing, not one word about the suppliers or the international arms business. further its way off topic so please, go somewhere else if you want a debate on that topic. It is completely irrelevant to what I said,

Find someone else to bother
 
Montecresto said:
And if when you say, "attempted to hide", you refer to them being built underground, it's not unreasonable for Iran to believe that Israel will bomb any nuclear program regardless of what the UN determines its nature to be. I suppose if they could, they'd hide Tehran underground too!
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Buried underground, it doesn't really matter if Israel knows about it, so your excuse holds no water.

Iran wasn't hiding Fordow from the Israelis. Iran was hiding it from the IAEA.

Which is why Iran did not inform the IAEA about the hidden nuclear-enrichment facility at Fordow.
 
Simpleχity;1064530987 said:
Buried underground, it doesn't really matter if Israel knows about it, so your excuse holds no water.

Iran wasn't hiding Fordow from the Israelis. Iran was hiding it from the IAEA.

Which is why Iran did not inform the IAEA about the hidden nuclear-enrichment facility at Fordow.
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It wasn't posted as an excuse. It was a question to you. I would think that Iran would prefer to have all operations underground, because as long as that freak in Israel is foaming at the mouth, nothing's safe. An understandable reason for Russia to deliver the MD system to them.
 
Fearandloathing said:
What the **** are you on about?

I said nothing, not one word about the suppliers or the international arms business. further its way off topic so please, go somewhere else if you want a debate on that topic. It is completely irrelevant to what I said,

Find someone else to bother
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You implied that countries who buy missiles dont have peaceful intentions, i'm saying that countless countries acquire missiles with no intention of launching them. Buying missiles does not make you aggressive and if it did there are much more aggressive countries than Iran.

P.S Please dont speak to me like that again, it's rude and makes you look so very small.
 
Montecresto said:
It wasn't posted as an excuse. It was a question to you. I would think that Iran would prefer to have all operations underground...
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Certainly. To shield them from US satellite surveillance and possible US/Israel military preemption ... but mainly to hide them from the IAEA.

The point is, if Iran's program was totally aboveboard, there would be no need for Iran to bury anything.

There is no need to bomb nuclear reactors that only generate power, nor any need to bomb enrichment facilities that are closely monitored for NPT compliance by the IAEA .
 
Simpleχity;1064533830 said:
Certainly. To shield them from US satellite surveillance and possible US/Israel military preemption ... but mainly to hide them from the IAEA.

The point is, if Iran's program was totally aboveboard, there would be no need for Iran to bury anything.

There is no need to bomb nuclear reactors that only generate power, nor any need to bomb enrichment facilities that are closely monitored for NPT compliance by the IAEA .
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Who makes you think that Israel would not bomb an Iranian nuclear reactor that was only generating power?
 
Ironfist said:
Who makes you think that Israel would not bomb an Iranian nuclear reactor that was only generating power?
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Israel has not threatened Turkey, Egypt, Kuwait, UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan who collectively have 19 nuclear power-reactors planned to come online by 2020.
 
Simpleχity;1064533830 said:
Certainly. To shield them from US satellite surveillance and possible US/Israel military preemption ... but mainly to hide them from the IAEA.

The point is, if Iran's program was totally aboveboard, there would be no need for Iran to bury anything.

There is no need to bomb nuclear reactors that only generate power, nor any need to bomb enrichment facilities that are closely monitored for NPT compliance by the IAEA .
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I totally disagree. Iran's nuclear power program may not be totally aboveboard, but that it's burried underground isn't necessarily evedence of that. I am satisfied that no matter what, Netanyahu will bomb any nuclear program that Syria or Iran should ever have, and that he will never accept what the P5 or anybody else tells him to the contrary of his paranoia. And besides that, Iran never believed that they could build such underground facilities, and keep it hidden and secret from the IAEA, or anyone else, as evedenced by the very fact that you and I are discussing it. They are possibly out of reach of bombing though.
 
Simpleχity;1064533914 said:
Israel has not threatened Turkey, Egypt, Kuwait, UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan who collectively have 19 nuclear power-reactors planned to come online by 2020.
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You didn't answer his question. He asked what makes you think that Israel wouldn't bomb any IRANIAN nuclear power program?
 
Montecresto said:
I totally disagree. Iran's nuclear power program may not be totally aboveboard, but that it's burried underground isn't necessarily evedence of that.
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Can you point me to another enrichment facility which is underground in which the IAEA was not informed of and was totally unaware of its existence for three years?
 
Montecresto said:
You didn't answer his question. He asked what makes you think that Israel wouldn't bomb any IRANIAN nuclear power program?
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Because it would not be in Israel's best interests to simply bomb nuclear facilities where a military application is absent.

As it was pointed out above, 19 new ME nuclear power-reactors in six different nations are coming online by 2010. Israel has not complained nor threatened to bomb any of them.
 
Simpleχity;1064534364 said:
Can you point me to another enrichment facility which is underground in which the IAEA was not informed of and was totally unaware of its existence for three years?
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In, say, a country with the intended purpose of wiping Israel off the map?
 
Higgins86 said:
So what does that make Western countries? We have been buying, selling and making missiles for years.
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And does our history suggest to you that we are pacifists?
 
cpwill said:
In, say, a country with the intended purpose of wiping Israel off the map?
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In any country. Nations simply don't build a uranium enrichment facility underground and fail to inform the IAEA for three years if everything is aboveboard.

To posit otherwise is absurd.
 
cpwill said:
And does our history suggest to you that we are pacifists?
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No but I would say as a whole for the past 50 years or so most Western countries have not been looking for a fight for acting aggressive to its direct neighbours.
 
Simpleχity;1064533830 said:
Certainly. To shield them from US satellite surveillance and possible US/Israel military preemption ... but mainly to hide them from the IAEA.

The point is, if Iran's program was totally aboveboard, there would be no need for Iran to bury anything.

There is no need to bomb nuclear reactors that only generate power, nor any need to bomb enrichment facilities that are closely monitored for NPT compliance by the IAEA .
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Why not apply the same level of scrutiny and punishment for violations to ALL countries in the Region.

Don't you see how the egregious hypocrisy & injustice the current Selective Enforcement diminishes America's credibility & genuine respect among all countries, not just the 1.6 Billion Muslims in the world?

The more demanding members of P 5 (esp. the US) have no right to expect compliance or mutually beneficial Good Will from countries we rob of their economically beneficial & justified rights.

Hostile relationships between countries are costly in blood, strategic reliance & lost trade & exchange of resources.


Restrictions that are both forced & unjust have a short Shelf Life and dangerous consequences (i.e. The Treaty of Versailles)


"No Justice.....No Peace" trite as it sounds is real as gravity.



Thanks
 
Simpleχity;1064533914 said:
Israel has not threatened Turkey, Egypt, Kuwait, UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan who collectively have 19 nuclear power-reactors planned to come online by 2020.
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Israel is led by a man whom Sarkozy has accused of being an unbearable liar. Israel would bomb the facility, lie and say it was being used for military purposes.
 
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