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Boston cop shot in the face

I'm on a first-name basis with a handful of cops including the Sheriff, and my grandfather was a cop.

That said, things have gotten out of control. Daily the police reputation grows dimmer, and you can thank the war on drugs for much of it.

The aerial footage of the guy in California looked very much like the Rodney King beating. Philip Zimbardo calls it the Lucifer Effect in human behavior, and that's probably the best description.
 
I'd like to think that too, but there are a few posters here who do indeed argue that the police are bad through and through.

They're a mixed bag with very specific weaknesses.

Police work consists of authority based on force, making it an attractive vocation to a low as well as high grade of human, inasmuch as being a priest appeals to child molesters since it puts them in a position of trust where they have relatively free access to potential adolescent sex partners. Meanwhile, police departments must be organized to meet the demands of an often conflicting web of priorities: the interests of the public, the interests of police officers, and the interests of local government.

The "interests of police officers" generally entail good benefits and license to use a large range of powers with minimal oversight or consequence, and they have robust union with plenty of lawyers willing and able to back that up.

The "interests of government" (mostly district attorneys and mayors) are having a good working relationship with the police so they put down on their resume that they kept the streets of X city safe during their tenure and can be trusted to be your representative in the next X level of representative government. For that reason they are predisposed to be on the side of the police in any situation where the political climate doesn't make it untenable.

Then you have the "interests of the public", which mostly go that police officers treat the body politic with respect while being circumspect in their use of force, particularly lethal force.

These positions don't necessarily contradict each other, but often they do, particularly #1 and #3.
 
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Have you ever heard of a straw man? That is what your post is. I do not know of a single liberal who thinks police are "deprived and immoral". In fact I think you will find most if not all liberals think the police do a difficult job mostly to the best of their abilities and make our neighborhoods safer. This does leave room for improvement, and I and others have actually had rather interesting and constructive discussions on just that topic recently. But go ahead and stay classy using this sad event and your dishonest spin to attack others...

Yeah, there's one in the thread about the cop in SC shooting the escaping man in the back. Just rabid. Sad and gives other liberal people a bad name.
 
Decorated Boston police officer shot in the face - CNN.com

This time it is hard to blame officers for being brutal. Maybe it is time to accept there is a reason behind police brutality except for deprived and immoral nature of American policemen (according to liberals). How many cases could have ended like this if officer didn't follow the instruction and shoot the suspect? I bet potential criminals' lives are less valuable than lives of law-abiding cops. Not all of them are good but attacking American police in general is a sign of anti-governmental propaganda.

No one blamed the Officer. That statement is just plain trolling for a reaction.
He and other Officers place their lives on the line daily.
 
Officers are paid for keeping our society safe, first of all. If there is a chance they can be damaged, especially on duty, it is their right to use force against criminals.
I am not saying 'black people = criminals', yet for some reason crime rates among Afro-Americans are substantially higher.
Criminal damages the society while officer is protecting it. Based on this you can say their lives are valued differently.
Yes you are saying blacks equals criminals - Dress it up what ever way you wish, but the intent is clear.
And where the hell do you get the term Damaged, it would be injured. Translator issues?
 
In 2007 3 out of 4 cops were whites. At the same time 39.4% of prison population is black. So why do you think these facts are mentioned in the very beginning of the article? Maybe to show this situation is pretty normal in the present day United States?

What facts aside from a statement.
Wheres the beef?
 
It is not "for some reason", it is for alot of reasons that crime rate among blacks is much higher. And the solution is not assuming every black is a criminal.

Wouldn't / shouldn't the real solution be that black crime rates approach approximately what they are for the rest of the population?

Then the police wouldn't need to have the suspicions that seem to be warranted, based on their experiences in first person on the matter.
 
Decorated Boston police officer shot in the face - CNN.com

This time it is hard to blame officers for being brutal. Maybe it is time to accept there is a reason behind police brutality except for deprived and immoral nature of American policemen (according to liberals). How many cases could have ended like this if officer didn't follow the instruction and shoot the suspect? I bet potential criminals' lives are less valuable than lives of law-abiding cops. Not all of them are good but attacking American police in general is a sign of anti-governmental propaganda.

Nope...not hard at all to blame the officer. Hands Up Boston did just that. In fact...they coordinated protests and held planning meetings to blame the cops for killing the black man. Of course...those planning meetings were 'colored people only'.

Protesters Caught on Video Taunting Police With
 
Let me start off by saying as a Black man, I'm just as appalled over this senseless shooting of an innocent police officer just out doing his job as I am about innocent Black men being needlessly gunned down by police officers who use poor judgment. Moreover, I hold the same regard for anyone who loses their life needlessly when such loss of life could have been avoided.

I don't like how the thread's originator felt compelled to start this thread not as a means to inform, but rather as a way to "stir the racial pot" and make blanket aspersions against those who may be of a different race or have different political views than he. I can deal with debating the issues; what I've grown tired of is the race baiting because all this does is spur hate.

As to the OP itself, the victim in this case deserved to get shot. The officer(s) were 1000% justified in using lethal force. No doubt about it! But to use such a tragic event as a "gotcha moment" - as if some sort of racial, justifiable "payback" for White people was in order...sad. :( It's as if some folks want to start a race war.

I'll say what some folks won't: Police officers are the keepers of good order and discipline within every community throughout this country. They deserve to be respected and their authority adhered to. I'm probably one of the exceptions rather than the rule because in those rare instances where I have been pulled over by the police, I don't do anything to give them reason to do anything more or go any further than is necessary for them to do their job - which in most cases is assess the situation as to why they pulled me over (routine traffic violation), an ID search (clean record here - no outstanding warrants of any kind), issue me a warning or traffic ticket and be on their way. (And for those White folks who still think themselves racially superior, if you want to say "that's being a good nigger" go for it. But you'd be hypocrites since obeying the police and obeying the law is what you want Black people to do. Moreover, isn't that what all of us should be doing anyway? Think about it...)

Now, don't get me wrong. I DO have a problem with police officers who abuse their position of authority, who DO get over-zealous in ensuring good order and discipline in a civil society is maintained. I DO get pissed when I learn that a Black man has been unjustly pulled over simple for "driving while Black". (And for those who don't know what that means, it's when a Black man is driving a nice looking vehicle which the police officer assumes he can't afford and, thus, presumes that the only way he could afford such a vehicle is if he was selling drugs or stole it.) I DO have a problem with Black people being racially profiled. However, I DO believe that there are some instances where we, as Black people, bring trouble unto ourselves, i.e., driving without a valid driver's license, having outstanding warrants or just being uncooperative with police. None of those things places any person least of all a Black person in a good light with local police. However, neither does being purposely singled out because of the color of your skin engender Blacks towards police. All that does is add to the air of mistrust by the Black community to law enforcement. (Nevermind the disparity in arrests and subsequent sentencing of Blacks for the same crimes committed by our White counterparts.)

I think changes in prevailing attitudes need to change on all sides, between Blacks and cops, cops and Blacks, and Blacks and Whites. But originating a thread in the manner this one begins does nothing to change attitudes. This only proves to make things worse.

I'm happy to know that the officer is recovering from his wounds. I'm sadden that some people feel the need to widen the racial divide by eluding to all Black people as being criminals or thug-like or making the nation's first Black President culpable for the bad behavior of a few (Black people).

Shameful...:(
 
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Nope...not hard at all to blame the officer. Hands Up Boston did just that. In fact...they coordinated protests and held planning meetings to blame the cops for killing the black man. Of course...those planning meetings were 'colored people only'.

Protesters Caught on Video Taunting Police With

Well, don't you think that's the reason the video was released? To show the Black community in Boston that the shooting and subsequent death of this Black man in particular was justified? I certainly think so.
 
In 2007 3 out of 4 cops were whites. At the same time 39.4% of prison population is black. So why do you think these facts are mentioned in the very beginning of the article? Maybe to show this situation is pretty normal in the present day United States?

I want you to think about those figures for a moment...think long and hard about them.

3 out of 4 cops are White. That means that the Black community is "policed" more often by White cops than Black cops. Hold onto that revelation for a second...we'll come back to it in a moment.

39.4% of the prison population is Black. That would mean that 60.6% of prisoners are White...maybe. Keep that factoid in the forefront of your mind as well.

You posted the following just prior to posting the above statistics:

Officers are paid for keeping our society safe, first of all. If there is a chance they can be damaged, especially on duty, it is their right to use force against criminals.

I am not saying 'black people = criminals', yet for some reason crime rates among Afro-Americans are substantially higher.
Criminals damages the society while officer is protecting it. Based on this you can say their lives are valued differently.

If criminals damage society, shouldn't your focus be on those of your own race? Recall that 39.4% Black prison population statistic you quoted. Seems the folks who are causing the biggest problems for society aren't Black folks. Unless, of course, you can show comparative statistics across all racial demographics AND illustrate that the majority of those crimes committed by Black prison inmates were violent and heinous. Otherwise, your blanket stats holds no merit.

As for the disparity in the racial makeup of cops out on the beat, it stands to reason that if White cops are the only cops Black people face and these cops enter into "stop and frisk" encounters with a bias from the jump, does it not make sense to you that Black people would inherently mistrust White law enforcement? I'm not saying that the answer in and of itself is to hire more Black cops, but it certainly would go a loooooooooong way towards bridging the trust gap within Black communities.
 
Well, don't you think that's the reason the video was released? To show the Black community in Boston that the shooting and subsequent death of this Black man in particular was justified? I certainly think so.

They knew it. It didn't make a difference. Just another opportunity to bang the drum of oppression.

Why does the phrase 'black lives matter' exist? CLEARLY they don't matter. The only black lives that matter are the ones that die at the hands of cops. That's ridiculously exploitative. But that's not an exclusive club of folk. There are people that come out in droves following a school shooting. Cuz children's lives matter...right? Nah. Cute little pink chirruns matter because they can be exploited in the anti-gun cause.
 
Let me start off by saying as a Black man, I'm just as appalled over this senseless shooting of an innocent police officer just out doing his job as I am about innocent Black men being needlessly gunned down by police officers who use poor judgment. Moreover, I hold the same regard for anyone who loses their life needlessly when such loss of life could have been avoided.

I don't like how the thread's originator felt compelled to start this thread not as a means to inform, but rather as a way to "stir the racial pot" and make blanket aspersions against those who may be of a different race or have different political views than he. I can deal with debating the issues; what I've grown tired of is the race baiting because all this does is spur hate.

As to the OP itself, the victim in this case deserved to get shot. The officer(s) were 1000% justified in using lethal force. No doubt about it! But to use such a tragic event as a "gotcha moment" - as if some sort of racial, justifiable "payback" for White people was in order...sad. :( It's as if some folks want to start a race war.

I'll say what some folks won't: Police officers are the keepers of good order and discipline within every community throughout this country. They deserve to be respected and their authority adhered to. I'm probably one of the exceptions rather than the rule because in those rare instances where I have been pulled over by the police, I don't do anything to give them reason to do anything more or go any further than is necessary for them to do their job - which in most cases is assess the situation as to why they pulled me over (routine traffic violation), an ID search (clean record here - no outstanding warrants of any kind), issue me a warning or traffic ticket and be on their way. (And for those White folks who still think themselves racially superior, if you want to say "that's being a good nigger" go for it. But you'd be hypocrites since obeying the police and obeying the law is what you want Black people to do. Moreover, isn't that what all of us should be doing anyway? Think about it...)

Now, don't get me wrong. I DO have a problem with police officers who abuse their position of authority, who DO get over-zealous in ensuring good order and discipline in a civil society is maintained. I DO get pissed when I learn that a Black man has been unjustly pulled over simple for "driving while Black". (And for those who don't know what that means, it's when a Black man is driving a nice looking vehicle which the police officer assumes he can't afford and, thus, presumes that the only way he could afford such a vehicle is if he was selling drugs or stole it.) I DO have a problem with Black people being racially profiled. However, I DO believe that there are some instances where we, as Black people, bring trouble unto ourselves, i.e., driving without a valid driver's license, having outstanding warrants or just being uncooperative with police. None of those things places any person least of all a Black person in a good light with local police. However, neither does being purposely singled out because of the color of your skin engender Blacks towards police. All that does is add to the air of mistrust by the Black community to law enforcement. (Nevermind the disparity in arrests and subsequent sentencing of Blacks for the same crimes committed by our White counterparts.)

I think changes in prevailing attitudes need to change on all sides, between Blacks and cops, cops and Blacks, and Blacks and Whites. But originating a thread in the manner this one begins does nothing to change attitudes. This only proves to make things worse.

I'm happy to know that the officer is recovering from his wounds. I'm sadden that some people feel the need to widen the racial divide by eluding to all Black people as being criminals or thug-like or making the nation's first Black President culpable for the bad behavior of a few (Black people).

Shameful...:(

Thank you for your valid and deep post sir.
 
It is not "for some reason", it is for alot of reasons that crime rate among blacks is much higher. And the solution is not assuming every black is a criminal.

OK, the next time I talk to you I will show the sarcasm banner.
Then why cannot we talk about black population problems with the police openly? There are two opposite positions and everything that is between is not acceptable because it is either too conservative or too liberal. Think of Afro-Americans as a group of risk. We all know about the problems they have to face daily but it is blacks' duty to change their own image.
 
I want you to think about those figures for a moment...think long and hard about them.

3 out of 4 cops are White. That means that the Black community is "policed" more often by White cops than Black cops. Hold onto that revelation for a second...we'll come back to it in a moment.

39.4% of the prison population is Black. That would mean that 60.6% of prisoners are White...maybe. Keep that factoid in the forefront of your mind as well.

You posted the following just prior to posting the above statistics:



If criminals damage society, shouldn't your focus be on those of your own race? Recall that 39.4% Black prison population statistic you quoted. Seems the folks who are causing the biggest problems for society aren't Black folks. Unless, of course, you can show comparative statistics across all racial demographics AND illustrate that the majority of those crimes committed by Black prison inmates were violent and heinous. Otherwise, your blanket stats holds no merit.

As for the disparity in the racial makeup of cops out on the beat, it stands to reason that if White cops are the only cops Black people face and these cops enter into "stop and frisk" encounters with a bias from the jump, does it not make sense to you that Black people would inherently mistrust White law enforcement? I'm not saying that the answer in and of itself is to hire more Black cops, but it certainly would go a loooooooooong way towards bridging the trust gap within Black communities.

The problem is that only 34.2% of prison population is white. Other 20.6% are Hispanic. Don't you think the distribution is quite unequal and barely fits to your don't-hear-don't-see logic?
In order to overcome the problem you have to admit it exists first.

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Decorated Boston police officer shot in the face - CNN.com

This time it is hard to blame officers for being brutal. Maybe it is time to accept there is a reason behind police brutality except for deprived and immoral nature of American policemen (according to liberals). How many cases could have ended like this if officer didn't follow the instruction and shoot the suspect? I bet potential criminals' lives are less valuable than lives of law-abiding cops. Not all of them are good but attacking American police in general is a sign of anti-governmental propaganda.

Your police officers are per capita 17 times more likely to be killed and over 2000 times more likely to kill a suspect in the line of duty than they are in the UK. This is the society you have created for yourselves and that most seem to be happy living in.
 
Your police officers are per capita 17 times more likely to be killed and over 2000 times more likely to kill a suspect in the line of duty than they are in the UK. This is the society you have created for yourselves and that most seem to be happy living in.

It is easy to blame the society because there is nobody in particular to address. The society can be wicked, depraved or whatever but in order to fix it you have to solve problems. Blame-the-society path is not getting us anywhere. Unfortunately there are still people who ignore real issues and veil them with demagogy.
 
It is easy to blame the society because there is nobody in particular to address. The society can be wicked, depraved or whatever but in order to fix it you have to solve problems. Blame-the-society path is not getting us anywhere. Unfortunately there are still people who ignore real issues and veil them with demagogy.

The facts of the matter rather speak for themselves so there is no necessity to veil them with anything. In order to solve the problems you speak of it is first necessary to acknowledge they exist. Far too many of your countrymen are unprepared to do so
 
They knew it. It didn't make a difference. Just another opportunity to bang the drum of oppression.

Why does the phrase 'black lives matter' exist? CLEARLY they don't matter. The only black lives that matter are the ones that die at the hands of cops. That's ridiculously exploitative. But that's not an exclusive club of folk. There are people that come out in droves following a school shooting. Cuz children's lives matter...right? Nah. Cute little pink chirruns matter because they can be exploited in the anti-gun cause.

In short, you believe that the only reason members of the Black community or (liberal) politicians come out to protest the death/murder of Black people or children is to gain notoriety. While I won't dispute that concerning politicians because some do jump at the chance to gain brownie points with the public in any given tragedy especially if it's a social issue that tugs at the heart strings, I disagree with your assessment of the Black community as a whole.

We care about what happens to our people just as much as any White person cares about the death or abduction of a little White kid, a White mother who goes missing, or gradma who goes out for a while but can't find her way home because she has a mental disorder (Alzheimer). The reason you can't see it is because you wear your racial bias like a pair of :cool:

"I can feel your anger. Let go of your hate before it consumes you and leads you to the Dark Side, young :darthgunny." (Just had to throw that in there. :lol:)
 
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Officers are paid for keeping our society safe, first of all. If there is a chance they can be damaged, especially on duty, it is their right to use force against criminals.
I am not saying 'black people = criminals', yet for some reason crime rates among Afro-Americans are substantially higher.
Criminal damages the society while officer is protecting it. Based on this you can say their lives are valued differently.

Because "Afro-Americans" are disproportionately poor.
 
It is easy to blame the society because there is nobody in particular to address. The society can be wicked, depraved or whatever but in order to fix it you have to solve problems. Blame-the-society path is not getting us anywhere. Unfortunately there are still people who ignore real issues and veil them with demagogy.

In this country, the bulk of our prison problems and huge population is the result of absurd and counterproductive public policy, in this case the drug prohibition. We have the government we deserve over here.
 
The problem is that only 34.2% of prison population is white. Other 20.6% are Hispanic. Don't you think the distribution is quite unequal and barely fits to your don't-hear-don't-see logic?
In order to overcome the problem you have to admit it exists first.

USA_2009._Percent_of_adult_males_incarcerated_by_race_and_ethnicity.png

So, 39.6% Black prison inmates -vs- 34.2% White prison inmates. I'd say the numbers are pretty even wouldn't you? Kind throws your "Blacks destroying society" accusation out the window since "the disruption" appears to be spread rather evenly. And this IS the problem Black people see with the prevailing attitudes from police today.

There's a virtual even split in the level of crimes being committed by both Blacks and Whites, but it appears (at least in how the media portrays such and some bias citizens) that Black men are the only ones out there committing the harshest crimes. Yes, per your chart Black men may make up a larger percentage of prison inmates, but as I previously inquired, are their crimes any more violent or heinous than their White (or Hispanic) counterparts?

Show me a breakdown of the criminal offenses committed by Black and White prison inmates and if the numbers on violent and heinous crimes support your claim, you'll get my support. Until then...:shrug: Your side is just as much of a detriment to society as mine. Put another way: "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."

(Note that your chart above combines prisons and jail inmates. Kinda skews the numbers a bit don't you think?)
 
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Get the **** outta here.
No.. 0bama has been bashing cops from very early on in his treasonous tenure in the White House when he told the world that the cops dealing with the Black teachers were acting stupidly. He has made comment after comment that the police have a long and unbroken string of racists acts against Blacks that doesn't seem to have changed since christions enslaved his father and then passed the Jim Crow laws to keep them down.

0bma violated his oath of office when he involved himself time after time in ongoing legal matters and his words have further divided our nation.

HOW is this "another case that is on Obama's head"? Irrational hatred of others does not lead to rational solutions.
And that irrational hatred of white cops by Blacks is fueled by 0bama at every opportunity.

You made several logical fallacies, the most obvious one being the flaming strawman that liberals think police are immoral or deprived. No one has ever said that.
0bama has said it over and over again. You may not have seen him say it or even hear MSNBC mention that he said it but he has siad that cops are still racists pigs and he sent to DOJ in to see what to do and Holder came back with the idea that police forces all over the country are racist.
The police are paid to take risks. That's their job. That's why they are often considered heroes.
But 0maba makes cops out to be racist pigs and some have argued that this killer should not have been chased and killed like a dog.

I want to comment on the headline.

My question is, was that really necessary of CNN?

"Shot in the face" in massive bold letters...

Might as well have put "BOOM! HEADSHOT!"
Watch MSNBC if you don't like the truth. They will make this look like the cops fault.
 
OK, the next time I talk to you I will show the sarcasm banner.
Then why cannot we talk about black population problems with the police openly? There are two opposite positions and everything that is between is not acceptable because it is either too conservative or too liberal. Think of Afro-Americans as a group of risk. We all know about the problems they have to face daily but it is blacks' duty to change their own image.
Good morning
You may wish to do some searches on Officer related killings.
Here is an eye opening link. One of many.

Fatal shootings by on-duty police officers: An analysis | The Washington Post
 
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