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Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

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gdgyva said:
charges with murder

do charges sometimes change?

and did i say he wasnt guilty?

but i do like to hear and read all the evidence before i make up my mind....no matter how guilty one may appear
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He isn't guilty. He is innocent until proven guilty. Gotta wait for the court. Regardless of how damning the evidence is. The court of idiotic public opinion is what will do away with a fair trial if we aren't careful.
 
Geoist said:
Ferguson isn't the exception to the rule.




I didn't say all. But there is a notably racist culture within many of our nation's police departments. LAPD, Maricopa County, and NYPD are notorious examples.
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You need to back this up with evidence.
 
stonewall50 said:
If he is fired I don't believe he can be represented by a union lawyer. Seems it is the right move if that is the case.
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JUst saying ...
If that is the case it would be wrong because he was an Officer when the incidnent happened.
 
Excon said:
Kelly Thomas was not beaten to death.
It was the combined weight of the Officers need to subdue him that compressed his chest causing an inability to breath.
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Yes, the chest compressions ultimately killed him, and the beatings were "contributing factors." No need to mince words.

The coroner's death certificate lists the manner of death as homicide and the cause of death as asphyxia caused by "mechanical chest compression with blunt cranial-facial injuries sustained during physical altercation with law enforcement."
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/thomas-318320-death-rackauckas.html

The man was beaten to death.

And what do you mean combined weight "needed" to subdue him? If they need more than two or three officers to subdue and handcuff a suspect then they need to find better officers.
 
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Geoist said:
Yes, the chest compressions ultimately killed him, and the beatings were "contributing factors." No need to mince words and get all specific on cause of death. The man was beaten to death.
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This was already argued, and no they actually were not "contributing factors".
He was not beaten to death. None of those impact injuries he received from resiting affected his ability to breath.

His resistance caused the need for multiple Officers to subdue him. It was that weight of the multiple Officers which compressed his chest.
It is also why they were cleared as they should have been.


Geoist said:
And what do you mean combined weight "needed" to subdue him? If they need more than two or three officers to subdue and handcuff a suspect then they need to find better officers.
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If everybody acted peacefully you may have had a point, but in reality you do not and what you said was lame.
 
 
Excon said:
:doh

There you go again engaged in make believe. :doh
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No, I am seeing what is obvious for most of us to see it seems but you? Talk about make belief :shrug:

Excon said:
Has this been confirmed, or are you still operating on what you want to believe?
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It ought to be obvious for every single person who saw the video.

Excon said:
Yes really.
Do you not understand what you yourself quoted?
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I understand exactly what I quoted, do you? Because you seem to be totally unable to understand that just escaping is not enough for shooting to kill. For someone to shoot an escaping suspect, there has to be a situation in which the fleeing suspect (with his back turned to the officer, flapping his hands by his side and unarmed) which is what we have here but there also has to be another thing that the situation has to comply with before deadly force is allowed:

probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others
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and every sensible person understand that in this situation that never ever ever is the case. He was unarmed, posed no significant threat at the time the officer started shooting!

Excon said:
In this case the guy had taken the Officers taser.
At the point the Officer was reacting he had "probable cause to believe that the suspect" posed "a significant threat of death or serious physical injury".
Matters not that the guy threw it down.
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1. it does matter that the tazer had fallen to the ground
2. the man was not struggling with the officer at the moment the officer started pulling the gun
3. at the time the first shot is fired the suspect was even further away posing ZERO threat to the officer
4. he shot a man in the back with 8 bullets for a busted tail light stop
5. he picked up evidence to pervert the course of justice
6. the man needs to be prosecuted for the crime he committed.

Sorry, but if there is nonsense posted here, it is what you claim was happening.

Excon said:
And btw, upon analysis the two can be seen to be in a scuffle on the ground prior to being upright.
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The guy was resisting arrest on his warrant, was combative, and took the Officers taser.
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1. guy was far away
2. guy was no danger
3. bad shooting, guy arrested, fired and hopefully going to jail for at least manslaughter.
 
Excon said:
This was already argued, and no they actually were not "contributing factors".
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Coroner disagrees with you.

His resistance caused the need for multiple Officers to subdue him. It was that weight of the multiple Officers which compressed his chest.
It is also why they were cleared as they should have been.
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BS. Whatever resistance he gave did not require a 10 minute assault with fists and a Taser. Also, an officer who says, "See these fists? They are going to f*** you up!" is clearly an officer who is looking to act in a violent and irrational way.



If everybody acted peacefully you may have had a point,
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You still miss the point. No amount of resistance to arrest justifies this:

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but in reality you do not and what you said was lame.
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What is lame is your apologist attitude towards police brutality. Actually, lame is too kind of a word. More like disgusting.
 
Geoist said:
I gave you a few examples already:

LAPD
LAPD celebrate Michael Brown’s killing with racist song - Salon.com
Exclusive: LAPD Officer Caught On Tape Allegedly Making Racist Comments « CBS Los Angeles
USC Students Allege Racial Profiling By LAPD : Code Switch : NPR


Maricopa County
Arizona's Joe Arpaio accused of pattern of racism and abuse - latimes
10 Worst Things Arizona's Racist Sheriff Joe Arpaio Has Done | Alternet



NYC
The NYPD Officers Who See Racial Bias in the NYPD
NYPD has
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I stopped at the first one:


“Michael Brown learned a lesson about a messin’
With a badass policeman
And he’s bad, bad Michael Brown
Baddest thug in the whole damn town
Badder than old King Kong
Meaner than a junkyard dog.

Two men took to fightin’
And Michael punched in through the door
And Michael looked like some old Swiss cheese
His brain was splattered on the floor

And he’s dead, dead Michael Brown
Deadest man in the whole damn town
His whole life’s long gone
Deader than a roadkill dog.”



how is that racist?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I stopped at the first one:

how is that racist?
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I see it as subtly racist and blatantly in poor taste. If you don't want to see it as racist then fine. Why not look at the other links? You asked for them and I went out of my way to provide them for you.
 
Geoist said:
I see it as subtly racist and blatantly in poor taste. If you don't want to see it as racist then fine. Why not look at the other links? You asked for them and I went out of my way to provide them for you.
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It was in horrible taste, and antagonistic, but not racist.


2nd was is a racist cop, individual, and a protective system due to who his daddy was.


he and the chief should be fired. Doesn't point to systemic racism in the department.,


third one, "alleged" didn't click


that arizona dude? the media lies about him so much, I have no idea if he's a racist or not.


The only open racism I've ever seen from the NYPD as a matter of policy was thier "We aint hirin whites" when I went for a job. lol
 
Peter King said:
No, I am seeing what is obvious for most of us to see it seems but you? Talk about make belief
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No you are not.
You are seeing what you want to see which is make believe.


Peter King said:
It ought to be obvious for every single person who saw the video.
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:doh
As I already knew, you are assuming. Which again is make believe.


Peter King said:
I understand exactly what I quoted, do you? Because you seem to be totally unable to understand that just escaping is not enough for shooting to kill. For someone to shoot an escaping suspect, there has to be a situation in which the fleeing suspect (with his back turned to the officer, flapping his hands by his side and unarmed) which is what we have here but there also has to be another thing that the situation has to comply with before deadly force is allowed:
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:doh
Obviously you didn't know until it was pointed out to you.
And in this case at the point in time the Officer responded, the guy was such a threat.
But I am sure you will continue to ignore that in pursuit of your make believe bs.


Peter King said:
and every sensible person understand that in this situation that never ever ever is the case. He was unarmed, posed no significant threat at the time the officer started shooting!
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And you are wrong.
At the point in time the Officer responded the guy was a threat.


Peter King said:
1. it does matter that the tazer had fallen to the ground
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It didn't fall. The guy who grabbed it threw it away.


Peter King said:
2. the man was not struggling with the officer at the moment the officer started pulling the gun
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:doh
His resistance is part of the whole.


Peter King said:
3. at the time the first shot is fired the suspect was even further away posing ZERO threat to the officer
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And again. Pay attention. At the point in time the Officer was responding to a known threat. To say otherwise you are going to have to show the Officer knew the suspect relived himself of the weapon.


Peter King said:
4. he shot a man in the back with 8 bullets for a busted tail light stop
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And? Officers shoot until the threat ceases to be a threat. That just happens to be when they stop their movement.
If you do not like that, lobby to get policy changed.


Peter King said:
5. he picked up evidence to pervert the course of justice
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You do not know that. That is all an assumption on your part.
You have no idea what he picked up, or what he tossed down. So just stop with the make believe.


Peter King said:
6. the man needs to be prosecuted for the crime he committed.
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He may not have committed a crime.

Peter King said:
Sorry, but if there is nonsense posted here,
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Wrong. It was all your nonsense.


Peter King said:
2. guy was no danger
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:doh
Actual danger versus that of a reasonable belief is very different.
You should try to learn the difference.
 
Geoist said:
Coroner disagrees with you.
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And again, this has already been debated.
No impact injury sustained contributed to his not being able to breath.
This was already shown.
So you are making a lame argument.


Geoist said:
BS. Whatever resistance he gave did not require a 10 minute assault with fists and a Taser. Also, an officer who says, "See these fists? They are going to f*** you up!" is clearly an officer who is looking to act in a violent and irrational way.
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Wrong.
This has already been debated and you are far from reality.


Geoist said:
You still miss the point. No amount of resistance to arrest justifies this:

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If it is an image of his injuries, you are wrong.


Geoist said:
What is lame is your apologist attitude towards police brutality. Actually, lame is too kind of a word. More like disgusting.
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Your position is lame, and just shows you are incapable of understanding of the circumstance involved.
 
solletica said:
To qualify as a "hater", one must be hatin' on real people, not SC cops.
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If you are suggesting that SC cops are not real people, then you are a hater.
 
solletica said:
It's inappropriate for govt. agents acting in a military capacity (as a domestic police force, defense force, etc.) to have access to the civilian court system.

Cops should be subject to tribunals in cases like this. The court system is for the people.
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I think I will avoid the rush and put you on ignore now.
 
disneydude said:
No necessarily...but anyone who thinks that there is not a strong vein of racism that infects the police force of pretty much every major city in America is fooling themselves.
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Anyone who thinks that there is a strong vein of racism that infects the police force of pretty much every major city in America is fooling themselves.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Anyone who thinks that there is a strong vein of racism that infects the police force of pretty much every major city in America is fooling themselves.
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Of course. The strong vein of racism in police depts. tends to be found mostly in Southern right-wing dumps like SC.
 
After the cop is acquitted, he could easily get his job back by moving and legally changing his name, or else work for another police dept.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Notice that these are people who have to be schooled on the United States Constitution....by a Canadian.


Meet the "New Amerikan" left.
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Yep. If many of these lefties were to take a citizenship test, they would likely fail.
 
Geoist said:
How exactly did Ferguson PD make Darren Wilson appear guilty?
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That was my point, the chief in Ferguson gave his officer the benefit of the doubt, even after all the 'hands-up don't shoot' BS by those low-life lying SOS. And remember the beating the chief took from the Media/Al The Snitch Sharpton/public for Officer Wilson NOT already being in a jail cell?

To risk not getting crucified in the public, risking their careers and to prevent their towns from being looted and set on-fire, chiefs will have a propensity to fire or arrest officers before all the facts are known.
 
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