Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

Simon W. Moon · Apr 15, 2015

Excon said:
2. Your appeal to authority is nonsense.

Citing opinion of professsionals in the field in regard to whether something is "clearly" so is entirely valid especially when those professionals are saying that it ain't so.

Excon · Apr 15, 2015

Simon W. Moon said:
Citing opinion of professsionals in the field in regard to whether something is "clearly" so is entirely valid especially when those professionals are saying that it ain't so.

Still is an appeal to authority. Especially as those authorities are wrong and will not be making the final decision.

Simon W. Moon · Apr 15, 2015

Excon said:
Still is an appeal to authority. Especially as those authorities are wrong and will not be making the final decision.

Your position is that it is entirely clear but "those authorities" got it wrong.

When the professionals get it wrong, that's pretty much the definition of it not being clear.

Obviously, your mileage varies.

ReverendHellh0und · Apr 15, 2015

Excon said:
Wrong.
The Officer was responding to his being a threat when the suspect threw the taser. He is allowed to continue to respond.

Once the taser is on the ground, and he is fleeing with his back turned, he no longer meets the criteria of being "dangerous" and a "threat to life", sorry charlie.

But since most folks do not understand that, the following argument fits just the same.
If the Officer did not see the suspect throw the taser, the Officer is still responding to what he reasonably believed is a threat.

He paused, inhaled, exhaled and started shooting, he beaded down on him, he didn't fire even in the "heat of the moment".

Secondly, what is hilariously is that you provided a wiki article when I previous provided the SCOTUS holding regarding the issue. Especially as the wiki articlwe shows you to be wrong as well.
:doh
:lamo

See this is why I couldn't be a cop, I'd be rejected for being too smart.

@6 seconds it is clear the less than lethal taser, is on the ground, prior to that piece of **** pulling his weapon.

:doh
Nothing you said refutes what you quoted.
While there are bad cops, this isn't one of them.
Nor was there tampering with evidence, that is a complete fabrication on your part.
Protocol would be to secure the weapons.

I'm talking about the "cops" defending this criminal with a badge.

wait, so, going back and picking up a deployed old style taser, walking back and throwing it on the ground next to the murder victim is "securing the weapon"?

Are you for ****ing real?

:doh
And once again it is you who are wrong.
That is exactly what the Officer was reacting to.
As soon as the suspect took the taser he became a significant threat.

Wrong, the less than lethal taser was an old style, and deployed, it wasn't a threat, it was nonfunctioning at that point, and was on the ground as the cop drew and shot the murder victim in the back as he ran away.

As already posted.
Again;
We conclude that such force may not be used unless it is necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.

1. what was the officer threatened with? not the taser as it was deployed and needed to be re-loaded. being that the murderous cop trains on such a weapon, this was clear to him. so no you are wrong.

2. his crime was running from a broken tail light, that in and of itself is not enough to shoot him in the back.

Had you bothered to take the time to read the case you would have read the following dicta in relevance to the holding.

:failpail: your cup runneth over.

The law indicates this was a no shoot situation.

Where the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or to others, it is not constitutionally unreasonable to prevent escape by using deadly force. Thus, if the suspect threatens the officer with a weapon or there is probable cause to believe that he has committed a crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical harm, deadly force may be used if necessary to prevent escape, and if, where feasible, some warning has been given.”

The moment he took the taser he was a significant threat, not just to the Officer but people he may have encountered if allowed to flee.
And if any of the other criteria fits, he was able to shoot him.

Why? What could he do with a deployed taser? please be specific.

And then there is the standard of review.
If the Officer believed he still had the taser when he fired, he is legally in the clear.

wrong, even if he believed that, the taser HE deployed was no longer a threat to anyone.

Excon · Apr 15, 2015

Simon W. Moon said:
Your position is that it is entirely clear but "those authorities" got it wrong.

When the professionals get it wrong, that's pretty much the definition of it not being clear.

Obviously, your mileage varies.

And again you have said nothing relevant.
Figures.

Excon · Apr 15, 2015

ReverendHellh0und said:
Once the taser is on the ground, and he is fleeing with his back turned, he no longer meets the criteria of being "dangerous" and a "threat to life", sorry charlie.

Wrong.
Already posted a video showing that isn't true.
And you are still failing to realize that if he did not see the suspect throw it, the suspect remains the same significant threat as if he did had it.

ReverendHellh0und said:
He paused, inhaled, exhaled and started shooting, he beaded down on him, he didn't fire even in the "heat of the moment".

Making sure his aim is correct is proper.
Duh!

ReverendHellh0und said:
See this is why I couldn't be a cop, I'd be rejected for being too smart.

Delusions.

Excon · Apr 15, 2015

ReverendHellh0und said:
@6 seconds it is clear the less than lethal taser, is on the ground, prior to that piece of **** pulling his weapon.

Try again.
The Officer was already responding to his being a significant threat.

ReverendHellh0und said:
I'm talking about the "cops" defending this criminal with a badge.

That is where you went wrong again, he isn't a criminal.

ReverendHellh0und said:
wait, so, going back and picking up a deployed old style taser, walking back and throwing it on the ground next to the murder victim is "securing the weapon"?

Are you for ****ing real?

:doh

Do you or do you not realize that he knows he is being recorded. (as confirmed by the witness who was recording)
Do you or do you not realize that he knows the taser cartridge fires out many id tags which indicates where it was deployed.
Do you, or do you not realize that it is protocol for Officers to secure their weapons?
Do you or do you not realize that he then picked it up after dropping it?
Do you or do you not realize that he had just experienced a traumatic experience?

It is absolutely absurd to think he was planting the taser.

"Safe rule if thumb…if someone tries to tell you a cop murdered someone in broad daylight, on a public street, in front of who knows how many witnesses, with no chance in hell of getting away with it, stop and think about what it is they are asking you to believe. No doubt, there are bad cops out there, but that doesn’t mean they are stupid. Heck, even non-cop criminals know better than that for the most part, except for the ones who don’t care if they get caught."

ReverendHellh0und said:
Wrong, the less than lethal taser was an old style, and deployed, it wasn't a threat, it was nonfunctioning at that point, and was on the ground as the cop drew and shot the murder victim in the back as he ran away.

Holy ****! Wrong all the way around. You clearly know not of what you speak.
It was the X26. It was not non-functioning. It had two cartridges and could also be used with out them by drive stunning.
It the hands of a properly trained person it is nonlethal. In the hands of a non-trained person it is a significant threat, one that could be used against an officer to take his weapon, or against a civilian to take their auto. And could be used wrongly to inflict serious injury and cause death.
So stop talking about things you know nothing about.

ReverendHellh0und said:
1. what was the officer threatened with? not the taser as it was deployed and needed to be re-loaded. being that the murderous cop trains on such a weapon, this was clear to him. so no you are wrong.

2. his crime was running from a broken tail light, that in and of itself is not enough to shoot him in the back.

Just stop. Your arguments are becoming more and more absurd.

1. Are you not paying attention? The taser.
2. No, his crime was resisting arrest and fighting with the Officer and taking his taser.

ReverendHellh0und said:
The law indicates this was a no shoot situation.

Wrong.

ReverendHellh0und said:
Why? What could he do with a deployed taser? please be specific.

Already was.
1. Reloading is doesn't take effort. The cartridge is in the handle. And you have no idea if the Officer reloaded it before the suspect took it, or if the suspect reloaded it or if the secondary cartridge was lost during the fight.

Secondly if both cartridges were expended it can still be used to drive-stun, allowing the suspect to tase the Officer and take his firearm, or if he had been able to flee with it, used take a citizens vehicle.
This is your failure for not knowing about the taser.

ReverendHellh0und said:
wrong, even if he believed that, the taser HE deployed was no longer a threat to anyone.

This just shows you lack knowledge to even discuss this. It was the X26.
One cartridge loaded and one in the handle.
And it can also be used to contact stun.

And btw, it is already known that the cartridges used were the "green" 25ft lead length.

The spare in the handle was green as seen in the pull-over video.

ReverendHellh0und · Apr 15, 2015

Excon said:
Wrong.
Already posted a video showing that isn't true.
And you are still failing to realize that if he did not see the suspect throw it, the suspect remains the same significant threat as if he did had it.

How so specifically, how is a gen one taser, deployed and discharged a threat?

You keep avoiding this.

Making sure his aim is correct is proper.
Duh!

Cause he's a fat **** and though shooting was easier than doing his job maybe? or maybe just a sociopath with a badge? Or a coward who thinks that people running away from his cowardly ass are a threat.

Delusions.

indeed.

Do you know how a taser works?

ReverendHellh0und · Apr 15, 2015

Excon said:
Try again.
The Officer was already responding to his being a significant threat.

That is where you went wrong again, he isn't a criminal.

:doh

Do you or do you not realize that he knows he is being recorded. (as confirmed by the witness who was recording)
Do you or do you not realize that he knows the taser cartridge fires out many id tags which indicates where it was deployed.
Do you, or do you not realize that it is protocol for Officers to secure their weapons?
Do you or do you not realize that he then picked it up after dropping it?
Do you or do you not realize that he had just experienced a traumatic experience?

It is absolutely absurd to think he was planting the taser.

"Safe rule if thumb…if someone tries to tell you a cop murdered someone in broad daylight, on a public street, in front of who knows how many witnesses, with no chance in hell of getting away with it, stop and think about what it is they are asking you to believe. No doubt, there are bad cops out there, but that doesn’t mean they are stupid. Heck, even non-cop criminals know better than that for the most part, except for the ones who don’t care if they get caught."

Holy ****! Wrong all the way around. You clearly know not of what you speak.
It was the X26. It was not non-functioning. It had two cartridges and could also be used with out them by drive stunning.
It the hands of a properly trained person it is nonlethal. In the hands of a non-trained person it is a significant threat, one that could be used against an officer to take his weapon, or against a civilian to take their auto. And could be used wrongly to inflict serious injury and cause death.
So stop talking about things you know nothing about.

Just stop. Your arguments are becoming more and more absurd.

1. Are you not paying attention? The taser.
2. No, his crime was resisting arrest and fighting with the Officer and taking his taser.

Wrong.

Already was.
1. Reloading is doesn't take effort. The cartridge is in the handle. And you have no idea if the Officer reloaded it before the suspect took it, or if the suspect reloaded it or if the secondary cartridge was lost during the fight.

Secondly if both cartridges were expended it can still be used to drive-stun, allowing the suspect to tase the Officer and take his firearm, or if he had been able to flee with it, used take a citizens vehicle.
This is your failure for not knowing about the taser.

This just shows you lack knowledge to even discuss this. It was the X26.
One cartridge loaded and one in the handle.
And it can also be used to contact stun.

And btw, it is already known that the cartridges used were the "green" 25ft lead length.

The spare in the handle was green as seen in the pull-over video.

tl:dr

really don't care about your cop apologist excuses for a murdering cop. remember good cops and bad cops and cops who defend bad cops are not good cops.

http://www.womenonguard.com/images/TASER-X26c-manual.pdf

It does not work as a direct contact stun gun once deployed, at this point you are being dishonest in defense of this murderous cop. Can a cop ever do wrong in your book? ever?

jeesh, you would think you would be honest when discussing tools I assume you are familiar with.

ReverendHellh0und · Apr 15, 2015

Also as the taser has been deployed, andhe was now 15-20 ft and running away, direct contact had this model had that ability after deployment, was no longer a threat even if in his hands as he's fleeing now with a non lethal weapon.

the scumbag is a murderer and any cop that thinks this was a good shoot, should not be a cop, period.

Excon · Apr 16, 2015

ReverendHellh0und said:
How so specifically, how is a gen one taser, deployed and discharged a threat?

You keep avoiding this.

Cause he's a fat **** and though shooting was easier than doing his job maybe? or maybe just a sociopath with a badge? Or a coward who thinks that people running away from his cowardly ass are a threat.

indeed.

Do you know how a taser works?

This post just shows how dishonest you are.
I have avoided nothing.
As you were already told, the X26 has two cartridges and then can be used as a drive-stun device. You haven't refuted that.

ReverendHellh0und said:
tl:dr

:doh
Of course, showing that you choose to deflect because you can not refute what was presented.

ReverendHellh0und said:
really don't care about your cop apologist excuses for a murdering cop.

He isn't a murderer. The facts do not support that claim.

ReverendHellh0und said:
remember good cops and bad cops and cops who defend bad cops are not good cops.

And like you were told, this is not a bad cop.
Just showing you continue to ignore reality.

:laughat:

ReverendHellh0und said:
It does not work as a direct contact stun gun once deployed, at this point you are being dishonest in defense of this murderous cop.

Wrong. You are the only one being dishonest here.
It is and can be used as a drive-stun device.

Your comment is so pathetically funny. iLOL :lamo

You do not even pay attention to the information you provide. D'oh!
From the link you provided.

ELECTRODES
The front of the X26C contains two metal electrodes. These
electrodes direct the charge to the electrodes on the cartridge
to initiate deployment of the probes. In addition, the electrodes
provide the ability to use the X26C in a “drive-stun” mode as a
traditional stun gun-type device.

You have again been shown to be untruthful.

ReverendHellh0und said:
Can a cop ever do wrong in your book? ever?

Weren't you already schooled on this nonsense awhile back?
All your comment does is speaks to your own bias. Nothing more.

ReverendHellh0und said:
jeesh, you would think you would be honest when discussing tools I assume you are familiar with.

I am, it is you who isn't being hones, as shown.

All you are doing is again showing you do not know what you are talking about.

It can be used a drive-stun device, just as the image I provided shows.

Ironfist · Apr 16, 2015

Excon said:
He isn't a murderer. The facts do not support that claim.

And just what is he then?

Excon · Apr 16, 2015

Ironfist said:
And just what is he then?

My reply was direct towards an absurd claim that was.
He is not a murderer. The facts do not support such an assertion.
If you think you can refute that, then be my guest.

Ironfist · Apr 16, 2015

Excon said:
My reply was direct towards an absurd claim that was.
He is not a murderer. The facts do not support such an assertion.
If you think you can refute that, then be my guest.

So what is he?

Excon · Apr 16, 2015

Ironfist said:
So what is he?

I see you are not paying attention.

Ironfist · Apr 16, 2015

Excon said:
I see you are not paying attention.

I see you are not answering the question.

Since you can't answer that question, here's another one for you. Do you think that he was justified in killing this unarmed black man?

Excon · Apr 16, 2015

Ironfist said:
I see you are not answering the question.

Since you can't answer that question, here's another one for you. Do you think that he was justified in killing this unarmed black man?

You are still showing you are not paying attention.
All the answers you seek have already been stated. Read the topic.

Ironfist · Apr 16, 2015

Excon said:
You are still showing you are not paying attention.
All the answers you seek have already been stated. Read the tpopic.

Read the tpopic? What is a tpopic?

Excon · Apr 16, 2015

Ironfist said:
Read the tpopic? What is a tpopic?

:doh
Are you going to read the topic or not?

Don't bother, it is already obvious you are not interested.

ReverendHellh0und · Apr 16, 2015

Excon said:
This post just shows how dishonest you are.
I have avoided nothing.
As you were already told, the X26 has two cartridges and then can be used as a drive-stun device. You haven't refuted that.

SureI have, I've even shown a diagram of a newer model.

:doh
Of course, showing that you choose to deflect because you can not refute what was presented.

I could say the sky is blue, and you would respond "all cops are good, when they shoot people, it's never thier fault"

You are a cop apologist and awaste of time.

He isn't a murderer. The facts do not support that claim.

He is, he's a scumbag cop, and those with badges that support him, are no better.

And like you were told, this is not a bad cop.
Just showing you continue to ignore reality.

:laughat:Wrong. You are the only one being dishonest here.
It is and can be used as a drive-stun device.

Your comment is so pathetically funny. iLOL :lamo

You do not even pay attention to the information you provide. D'oh!
From the link you provided.

ELECTRODES
The front of the X26C contains two metal electrodes. These
electrodes direct the charge to the electrodes on the cartridge
to initiate deployment of the probes. In addition, the electrodes
provide the ability to use the X26C in a “drive-stun” mode as a
traditional stun gun-type device.

You have again been shown to be untruthful.

How would the "Electrodes" once deployed, function as a direct drive stun gun? The newer modes have this capability of concurrent action, but not his model. those electrodes once deployed are at the far end of the wire, please prove otherwise other than simply proclaiming.

Weren't you already schooled on this nonsense awhile back?
All your comment does is speaks to your own bias. Nothing more.

Yes, I have a strong bias against scumbags with a badge, they and thier supporters do a disservice to the vast majority of honorable officers of the law. We need more goshin's less, well......

I am, it is you who isn't being hones, as shown.

u mad, bro?

All you are doing is again showing you do not know what you are talking about.

It can be used a drive-stun device, just as the image I provided shows.

not that model, once the electrodes are deployed, the later versions of this device can be used as such.

Furthermore, you ignored the fact that even if you were right, there was clear distance between the cop and the suspect that the direct contact was not a concern with the less than lethal device.

You fail on so many levels it's not even funny.

SMTA · Apr 16, 2015

ReverendHellh0und said:
SureI have, I've even shown a diagram of a newer model.

I could say the sky is blue, and you would respond "all cops are good, when they shoot people, it's never thier fault"

You are a cop apologist and awaste of time.

He is, he's a scumbag cop, and those with badges that support him, are no better.

How would the "Electrodes" once deployed, function as a direct drive stun gun? The newer modes have this capability of concurrent action, but not his model. those electrodes once deployed are at the far end of the wire, please prove otherwise other than simply proclaiming.

Yes, I have a strong bias against scumbags with a badge, they and thier supporters do a disservice to the vast majority of honorable officers of the law. We need more goshin's less, well......

u mad, bro?

not that model, once the electrodes are deployed, the later versions of this device can be used as such.

Furthermore, you ignored the fact that even if you were right, there was clear distance between the cop and the suspect that the direct contact was not a concern with the less than lethal device.

You fail on so many levels it's not even funny.

Excon fails on every level.

His debate strategy is just to keep repeating the same drivel in the hope that it becomes true.

My son did that also, when he was 3, but then he grew out of it.

Some folks just cannot learn.

The cop is a murderer, period.

Simon W. Moon · Apr 16, 2015

ReverendHellh0und said:
You fail on so many levels it's not even funny.

Actually, it is kind of funny.

Like we do with Navy Pride, you just have to accept that Excon is "just that way."

Excon · Apr 16, 2015

SMTA ;1064534069 said:
Excon fails on every level.

:doh:doh:doh
Said the guy who has already been proven wrong.

SMTA ;1064534069 said:
His debate strategy is just to keep repeating the same

Things need to be repeated, especially for folks like you who do not understand or fail to read it the first time.
A great example of that is your conduct in this thread where you made an illogical conclusion and then were shown to be wrong.

Another great example as to why things need to be repeated is the following.

Excon said:
ReverendHellh0und ;1064534046 said:

Furthermore, you ignored the fact that even if you were right, there was clear distance between the cop and the suspect that the direct contact was not a concern with the less than lethal device.

Click to expand...

Wrong again. You failed to read and comprehend, which is not my fault but yours.
And you are just exemplifying why things need to be repeated.

SMTA ;1064534069 said:
My son did that also, when he was 3, but then he grew out of it.

It is sad that you don't know any better, but unless your son is open for discussion I would suggest you leaving him out of this.

SMTA ;1064534069 said:
Some folks just cannot learn.

And that is you as shown by this very post.

SMTA ;1064534069 said:
The cop is a murderer, period.

No he isn't.
His actions do not amount to murder.
But of course you have shown you do not know that.

Simon W. Moon ;1064534091 said:
Actually, it is kind of funny.

Like we do with Navy Pride, you just have to accept that Excon is "just that way."

Said the guy who has been unable to refutre what has been presented.

As you were already told.

Stop with the asininity Simon.

This isn't about me.
If you can refute what I present, do so, otherwise save it.

So far, in accordance with the evidence he clearly didn't commit a murder and what he may or may not have believed at the moment does make a difference.

It is funny that you do not learn.

Excon · Apr 16, 2015

ReverendHellh0und ;1064534046 said:
SureI have, I've even shown a diagram of a newer model.

No you haven't.

As you were already told, the X26 has two cartridges and then can be used as a drive-stun device. You haven't refuted that.

Even the information you provided shows you to be wrong.

ReverendHellh0und ;1064534046 said:
I could say the sky is blue, and you would respond "all cops are good, when they shoot people, it's never thier fault"

You are a cop apologist and awaste of time.

He is, he's a scumbag cop, and those with badges that support him, are no better.

[...]

Yes, I have a strong bias against scumbags with a badge, they and thier supporters do a disservice to the vast majority of honorable officers of the law.

:doh
All you are doing is showing your own biases which are based on convoluted thoughts.

ReverendHellh0und ;1064534046 said:
How would the "Electrodes" once deployed, function as a direct drive stun gun?

:doh
This is you showing you do not even understand the information you provided let alone read it. :doh

The electrodes are not the probes. Get that through your head.
Look at the pdf and the diagram you provided and educate yourself.

ReverendHellh0und ;1064534046 said:
The newer modes have this capability of concurrent action, but not his model. those electrodes once deployed are at the far end of the wire, please prove otherwise other than simply proclaiming.

Wrong.
It is the probes which are launched and the electrodes that remain part of the taser.
Again; Look at the pdf and the diagram you provided and educate yourself.

ReverendHellh0und ;1064534046 said:
u mad, bro?

iLOL At you being dishonest? No.
At you being wrong? No.
That you continually ignore the facts? No.
You saying he is scumbag and a murder just shows it is you who are irrationally mad.

ReverendHellh0und ;1064534046 said:
not that model, once the electrodes are deployed, the later versions of this device can be used as such.

Just stop, you are wrong.

ReverendHellh0und ;1064534046 said:
Furthermore, you ignored the fact that even if you were right, there was clear distance between the cop and the suspect that the direct contact was not a concern with the less than lethal device.

Wrong again. You failed to read and comprehend, which is not my fault but yours.
And you are just exemplifying why things need to be repeated.

ReverendHellh0und ;1064534046 said:
You fail on so many levels it's not even funny.

As you were the one who has been shown to have failed on multiple levels; Wrong.
You comment only applies to you.

Simon W. Moon · Apr 16, 2015

Excon said:
Said the guy who has been unable to refutre what has been presented.

Just because you don't realize that something has been done doesn't mean that it hasn't happened.

Excon said:
Stop with the asininity Simon.

I wish that I could, but I have no control over if, what, or when you post.

Excon said:
So far, in accordance with the evidence he clearly didn't commit a murder and what he may or may not have believed at the moment does make a difference.

The reason why so many people think Slager may have committed murder, the reason why Slager has been charged with murder is because it is so amazingly clear that Slager did not commit murder that it is literally incredible--people cannot believe how clear it is that Slager did not commit murder so they had to charge him with murder.

Yeah. That's the ticket.
That's the exact textbook definition of something being clear and obvious--hardly anyone can tell.

Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

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