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Rand Paul announces presidential run

Yes--the civil war has not gone away.
The AAN/Elites/RINOs/right-of-centers are already attacking Paul as well as TEA candidates for 2016 as well as TEA Congressmen of which they want to get rid.

So, the Freedom Caucus/Amash-Paulites/TEAs, will continue to block Boehner from approving anything of value in the House.
Unless of course John keeps going to Pelosi begging, as he did on the Cromnibus and DHS .


No, as Paul don't have to many Paulites in the Senate or the House. Plus now a few of the Tea Partiers have learned how the Demos play.
 
He's tried to present himself as less extreme than his father. Which doesn't say much. He doesn't stand a chance, but I wish him luck.
 
I disagree with many of Rand Paul's views, but he just dropped the mic on Ted Cruz with regard to starting his presidential campaign. There is no comparison between Rand Paul's substance and Ted Cruz's annoying, sanctimonious rhetoric. I respect that Paul laid out his views, principles, and policy goals.
 
"They thought all along that they could call me a libertarian and hang that label around my neck like an albatross, but I'm not a libertarian," " Rand Paul Leads GOP Kentucky Senate Race as Outsider - TIME


I dont know last polls I saw Bush and Walker are polling pretty heavy...


Meh dont play much into the hack argument.



That don't do much when he said this morning, that he is a Constitutionalist and has a little bit of libertarian in him.

In Iowa? Not over Paul, Walker polled second. Bush came in 5th.

Has nothing to do with being a hack argument.....it has to do with Senators that haven't even proven they can handle being a Senator let alone a Higher Office. Doesn't matter what side of the aisle they are on. There goes that assumption about a hack argument. Right on out the window.
 
YAYYYYYY!!!!

I can't wait to see how many bozos they try to pack into the clown car known as the Republican Presidential Primaries.


It's called the Democratic process.

being blinded by socialist mandating I am sure you are not familiar with it.

I would suggest that at the very least it will be more informative and representative of the cross section of people in America than the coronation of an old, fat, lying septegenarian woman who has more lies to her credit than even Obama.
 
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Expected. Rand Paul is officially in the race. Not a big announcement like Cruz, just a little posting on his website, but he is officially in the race. [/FONT][/COLOR]

He's the most palatable of the Republicans, but he's still a Republocrat. We'll see. Those truly interested in the restriction of government to proper levels don't tend to fly in party races.
 
YAYYYYYY!!!!

I can't wait to see how many bozos they try to pack into the clown car known as the Republican Presidential Primaries.

At least you aren't one of the forum's Democrats that slings out pointless partisan hack smears. :roll:
 
That don't do much when he said this morning, that he is a Constitutionalist and has a little bit of libertarian in him.
Which is exactly my point. One day he is not a libertarian, the next day he is, the next day he "has a little bit of libertarian in him" (this of course is all self described), he is simply a populist. Going with what the popular term of the day is.

In Iowa? Not over Paul, Walker polled second. Bush came in 5th.
Really?
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2016 Iowa Presidential Republican Caucus - Polls - HuffPost Pollster

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RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Iowa Republican Presidential Caucus

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http://opinionsavvy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Iowa-3.24.15.pdf


Has nothing to do with being a hack argument.....it has to do with Senators that haven't even proven they can handle being a Senator let alone a Higher Office. Doesn't matter what side of the aisle they are on. There goes that assumption about a hack argument. Right on out the window.
No its exactly a hack argument using hack rhetoric such as, "All have learned their lesson with BO peep". Really? You know this how? And, "and now after the defeat of Hillary." so you know Hillary is going to loose? And then of course the no Democrats in the white house is amazing card, "Its going to be sometime before the Demos ever gain the WH again. Which for this country.....is a very good thing." . Its a hack argument.
 
It's called the Democratic process.

being blinded by socialist mandating I am sure you are not familiar with it.

I would suggest that at the very least it will be more informative and representative of the cross section of people in America than the coronation of an old, fat, lying septegenarian woman who has more lies to her credit than even Obama.

No, Obama still has more lies to his credit. It'd be a real challenge to break his record on substantive topics.
 
Which is exactly my point. One day he is not a libertarian, the next day he is, the next day he "has a little bit of libertarian in him" (this of course is all self described), he is simply a populist. Going with what the popular term of the day is.


Really?
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2016 Iowa Presidential Republican Caucus - Polls - HuffPost Pollster

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RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Iowa Republican Presidential Caucus

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http://opinionsavvy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Iowa-3.24.15.pdf



No its exactly a hack argument using hack rhetoric such as, "All have learned their lesson with BO peep". Really? You know this how? And, "and now after the defeat of Hillary." so you know Hillary is going to loose? And then of course the no Democrats in the white house is amazing card, "Its going to be sometime before the Demos ever gain the WH again. Which for this country.....is a very good thing." . Its a hack argument.

Seeing Huckabee up at 10% is depressing.
 
Rand Paul, though ordinarily too inexperienced for the Presidency, is just popular enough to overcome those traditional barriers and represents a serious threat to any and all other leading candidates. Do not take him lightly.

That being said, I hope his candidacy burns to the ground.
 
Seeing Huckabee up at 10% is depressing.

Why? He has one of the highest personal likability ratings of any of the announced or possible candidate and also fairly high name recognition. He is essentially scandal free and what personal criticism there is of him has been created through mischaracterization by the militant PC police. He is amicable, no nonsense, big on common sense, unpretentious, and able to communicate effectively and in plain English without a lot of obscure code words or hidden meanings. I think somebody like him would be a breath of fresh air and just might be exactly what this country needs right now.

Contrast him with Rand Paul who has very similar favorability and unfavorability numbers, somewhat less name recognition, but who is much more polarizing. Just this week Lindsay Graham, one of the GOP Senate power primary power brokers, said Hillary Clinton would do a better job as President than Barack Obama as would ALL the GOP candidates and potential candidates EXCEPT for Rand Paul.

I would personally vote for Rand Paul over just about anybody the Democrats are likely to put up. . .BUT. . .he is way down on my preferred choices to be the GOP candidate and/or President.
 
I think I was pretty clear about my preferring the GOP to run as many nutsacks as possible in their primary.

Any thoughts on his speech, his platform? Or do we count him out right from the start? Not sure, but one has to ask since so many just check off party tickets.
 
Huckabee is as likeable as a school bus fire.
 
I'd vote for Rand Paul over Hillary and Biden.

I still keep thinking I'm going to wake up and find out that Jon Huntsman is declaring his intent. Dare to dream...
 
Again, the alternative is a person whose claim to fame is being outshined by John Kerry in the role of Sec State and sleeping with Bill Clinton. I'm highly amused.

(PS. Rand Paul, as much as I have no desire to vote for the man is 10x better than the dem alternative)

I'll wait and see what they all have to say, making up my mind eventually. They all deserve the chance to be heard.
Rand made some good points, was too general overall. But he just got started and will have to shine during the debates. I doubt very much that the establishment lets him off the leash though.
 
I'd vote for Rand Paul over Hillary and Biden.

I still keep thinking I'm going to wake up and find out that Jon Huntsman is declaring his intent. Dare to dream...

Wouldn't that me more of a vote against rather than one of conviction? Hey, I am not criticizing, just being curious and somewhat concerned.
Run Jon, run. :)
 
Any thoughts on his speech, his platform? Or do we count him out right from the start? Not sure, but one has to ask since so many just check off party tickets.

count him out??

Heaven's forbid. I hope he wins the nomination.
 
Which is exactly my point. One day he is not a libertarian, the next day he is, the next day he "has a little bit of libertarian in him" (this of course is all self described), he is simply a populist. Going with what the popular term of the day is.


Really?
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2016 Iowa Presidential Republican Caucus - Polls - HuffPost Pollster

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RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Iowa Republican Presidential Caucus

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http://opinionsavvy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Iowa-3.24.15.pdf



No its exactly a hack argument using hack rhetoric such as, "All have learned their lesson with BO peep". Really? You know this how? And, "and now after the defeat of Hillary." so you know Hillary is going to loose? And then of course the no Democrats in the white house is amazing card, "Its going to be sometime before the Demos ever gain the WH again. Which for this country.....is a very good thing." . Its a hack argument.


Well, Paul won the CPAC in Iowa with Walker coming in Second and Bush 5th.


For the third consecutive year, Kentucky Senator Rand Paul grabbed a victory in the Conservative Political Action Committee's presidential straw poll. Paul won 25.7 percent of the 3,007 votes cast, down slightly from 2014, when 2,459 total attendees gave him 31 percent of the vote. Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, who placed fifth in 2014's poll, floated to a strong second place– 21.4 percent–continuing a run of successes with conservative activists that started last month at the Iowa Freedom Summit.


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http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-02-28/rand-paul-wins-2015-cpac-straw-poll


How do I know, Because BO peep was a Senator who couldn't prove himself as a Senator Before he made the jump. Just like Paul and Cruz too. Oh and being partisan isn't being a Hack. Except when seen by those that Lean left.....and Way out far left Hoping for Utopia and Heaven on Earth. You Socialists!
 
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I assure you that I'm very familiar with all of the bozos who are coming out of the republican partys clown car.

you haven't been able to get past your hate in years. You can't even refer to fellow Americans in polite terms.

Meanwhile the whore you back is a moral coward and incompetent, but no one calls her a bozo, no is the Democratic part a "clown car", just a dishonest gang of self important slobs trying to cling to power for power's sake

But if that's how you deal with it, trite, childish insults and boring asides, that's how your party will be seen

There so much hate in you guys, death threats over a comment to a reporter..um, that's taking gay rights waaaay beyond reason
 
Wouldn't that me more of a vote against rather than one of conviction? Hey, I am not criticizing, just being curious and somewhat concerned.
Run Jon, run. :)

A vote for Huntsman wouldn't be a vote against. It would be for.

I can't say yet that a vote for Rand Paul would be a vote against. I'm keeping an open mind about him. I just know that hell will freeze over before I would consider voting for either Hillary or Biden.
 
Well, Paul won the CPAC in Iowa with Walker coming in Second and Bush 5th.
And Ron Paul won their poll in 2010 and 2011, and Mitt Romney in 2008 :roll: The problem with the CPAC poll, if you only wanna look at those numbers, is that those voting are the most right wing conservatives. It doesn't represent anywhere close to all those in the Republican party.

How do I know, Because BO peep was a Senator who couldn't prove himself as a Senator Before he made the jump. Just like Paul and Cruz too. Oh and being partisan isn't being a Hack. Except when seen by those that Lean left.....and Way out far left Hoping for Utopia and Heaven on Earth. You Socialists!
Except when your making this argument "Demos ever gain the WH again. Which for this country.....is a very good thing" Thats a hack argument.
 
I'll wait and see what they all have to say, making up my mind eventually. They all deserve the chance to be heard.
Rand made some good points, was too general overall. But he just got started and will have to shine during the debates. I doubt very much that the establishment lets him off the leash though.

The establishment seems to think he is already off the leash. As previously posted, Lindsay Graham recently said Hillary would do a better job than Barack Obama as would ALL the GOP candidates or potential candidates EXCEPT for Rand Paul. :)

But here's the rundown on what we know of Rand Paul's positions so far:

Rand Paul "On the Issues"

Abortion:
•Thousands of exceptions follow from maternal health. (May 2013)
•Coarsening of our culture led to 50 million unborn deaths. (Sep 2012)
•My opponents call me libertarian but I'm pro-life. (Feb 2011)
•Life begins at conception. (Jul 2010)
•Opposes federal abortion funding. (Aug 2010)
•Prohibit federal funding for abortion. (May 2011)

Budget and Economy:
•The sequester is the law of the land: can't compromise on it. (Oct 2013)
•We cannot continue to borrow $50,000 per second. (Mar 2013)
•Sequester doesn't cut spending; it just slows rate of growth. (Mar 2013)
•FactCheck: US borrowing $30,000 per second, not $50,000. (Feb 2013)
•Borrowing $50,000 per second is not sustainable. (Feb 2013)
•America needs Adam Smith, not Robin Hood. (Feb 2013)
•Penny Plan: Each $1 by one penny & balance budget by 2019. (Feb 2013)
•Keep the sequester, and increase it to $4T. (Feb 2013)
•Not every military dollar is necessary,nor every entitlement. (Aug 2012)
•Roll back federal spending to 2008 levels. (Jan 2012)
•We are borrowing $40,000 per second. (Jan 2012)
•Government not serious about controlling spending. (Feb 2011)
•Larger government is not a solution for economy. (Feb 2011)
•Bank bailout represented everything wrong with Washington. (Feb 2011)
•Debt crisis is approaching a point of no return. (Feb 2011)
•Bank bailout was bad policy & helped no banks in KY. (Oct 2010)
•No federal bailouts of private industry. (Jul 2010)
•Demand a Balanced Budget amendment. (Jul 2010)
•Limit federal spending growth to per-capita inflation rate. (Jul 2010)
•Sponsored bill increasing debt limit to $16.7 trillion. (Jul 2011)
•Supports the Cut-Cap-and-Balance Pledge. (Jan 2012)
•Disapprove of increasing the debt limit. (Jan 2012)
•Sponsored auditing the Fed & its actions on mortgage loans. (Feb 2013)
•Endorsed Liberty Candidate: End the Federal Reserve. (Sep 2010)

On Corporations:
•Most small businesses fail, & government often picks wrong. (Jan 2014)
•Cut corporate tax in half to create millions of jobs. (Feb 2013)
•Kelo decision was dangerous landmark in US law. (Sep 2012)
•Punishing the rich means the poor lose their jobs. (Aug 2012)
•Obama's "You didn't build that" insults American workers. (Aug 2012)
•Expand lending caps for credit unions to small business. (Mar 2012)
•Rated 14% by UFCW, indicating a pro-management voting record. (May 2012)

On Education:
•Allow school choice for everyone, white, brown, or black. (Feb 2013)
•Support homeschooling and parental responsibility. (Jul 2010)
Rand Paul on the Issues
 
And Ron Paul won their poll in 2010 and 2011, and Mitt Romney in 2008 :roll: The problem with the CPAC poll, if you only wanna look at those numbers, is that those voting are the most right wing conservatives. It doesn't represent anywhere close to all those in the Republican party.


Except when your making this argument "Demos ever gain the WH again. Which for this country.....is a very good thing" Thats a hack argument.


Yeah, that's why your poll don't mean much when in Iowa. Which is why I said Paul can win there.

Its true.....and I said they wont be able to gain it for sometime. Who do they have to run in 2020 Should their Hillary lose. Answer.....No one of any significance. So if they lose in 2020. If they don't get anyone that can be popular enough for the left by 2024. They will lose again. Which would be over a decade.
 
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