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Rand Paul announces presidential run

CanadaJohn said:
It's petty, but Huntsman's big problem in 2011/12, in my opinion, was his linkage to Obama as the Ambassador to China. Christie has a similar taint, related to the Hurricane Sandy photo ops. Politics can be funny that way and little things can kill a national campaign. Huntsman was and is a rational, well spoken, reasoned individual, but I don't see him getting back in this time around. He wouldn't be a bad VP pick, however - Romney would have done better with him than Ryan.
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Not petty at all, as I think a lot of people felt the same way. It's actually too bad, too, because Huntsman is no Obama (thank doG) and Obama tapping him for Ambassador to China was one of the few good decisions he made. Obama also tapped my former Senator Judd Gregg (R-NH) as Commerce Secretary. Gregg declined the job. Obama did have some relatively centrist Republicans in his scope at the beginning.

Huntsman was one of the best political candidates I'd seen in years. I'm sorry not enough other people saw it as I did.
 
catch22 said:
Wow I've never done much research on Huntsman but just spent about 30 minutes researching him. He's a guy we need in the Whitehouse! Was he too middle of the road to previously get the nomination?
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Huntsman was the candidate that best represented my beliefs in the last 7 Presidential campaigns. He's a low tax, pro-business, socially moderate conservative. I just liked almost everything about him. I think he didn't get the reception here in NH that he thought he would. We have an open primary here so independents can vote for either party. Huntsman finished 3rd and I really believed he would win. I think the 3rd place showing in NH, where we have a lot of people like me (socially moderate, fiscally conservative), didn't bode well for him.
 
azgreg said:
Bernie Sanders, weighing presidential run, calls for ‘political revolution’ - The Washington Post
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Sanders is Right.....we do need a Political Revolution in this Country. Force the Libertarians and Tea Party to be their own parties.

Then the same for the Left between the Libs and Progressives and socialists.

Although, the Democrats have not been this week since the Civil War. They only control fully 7 States. Now is the time to destroy their Party. Force them to break up. Hopefully it will cause them to panic and start another Civil War. That which the left won't be able to handle nor most of them survive. It will get rid of many of the problems the country has. Permanently!
 
MMC said:
Do they really want to be associated to the Republican Party? I would be more interested in seeing the Demos be broken up from the inside out.
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it is a two party system.

each party votes on what color their spots are, where the spots are placed, and what the spots mean over and over and over.

but It doesn't surprise me you see the solution as forcing people to act according to your wishes. "force them out" is your rally cry.
 
ARealConservative said:
it is a two party system.

each party votes on what color their spots are, where the spots are placed, and what the spots mean over and over and over.

but It doesn't surprise me you see the solution as forcing people to act according to your wishes. "force them out" is your rally cry.
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Yeah its a two party system.....which has been fracturing within each Party's side. Which always effects elections. Sometimes enough to cause a win, for someone who shouldn't have won.

Still, you didn't answer the question. Which was.....Do they really want to be associated to the Republican Party?
 
Lovebug said:
The difference between him changing his mind and others, who ran before him, is that he does so from conviction, not because it is from where the political wind is blowing. Far more refreshing than a Romney or Obama "yeah, I can be that guy if you want me to" approach.
The political climate changes, and a leader/potential leader must look at all facts before deciding. Things happen.
Someone on TV brought up a good point last night. Clinton, Bush, Obama all made promises to do this or that, but when the situation changed, they had to adjust. Nothing wrong with that.
And needless to say, most of us are capable of changing our opinion as we move along, are we discover facts. Nothing wrong with that either. Stubbornly insisting it must be this or that, now that is very wrong.
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There is absolutely no evidence of that. In fact the circumstances point to the opposite. Funny how Paul only articulates mainstream republican ideas when it looks like he has a chance to run for president. Paul is closer to the GOP version of Obama than anyone. First term senator, anti-Washington outsider candidate, radical ideas that switch to main stream while running for president. Saw this movie already, no thanks.
 
MMC said:
Yeah its a two party system.....which has been fracturing within each Party's side. Which always effects elections. Sometimes enough to cause a win, for someone who shouldn't have won.

Still, you didn't answer the question. Which was.....Do they really want to be associated to the Republican Party?
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who is they?

Rand is already associated with the party. He won an election,so those who support him are already associated with the party.

you need to start making sense 48k posts, and most are nonsensical.
 
ARealConservative said:
who is they?

Rand is already associated with the party. He won an election,so those who support him are already associated with the party.

you need to start making sense 48k posts, and most are nonsensical.
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Libertarians and Tea Partiers.

Of course most of them are associated with the party now. We were talking about the parties being broken up, remember?

Oh and you would know this when half the time you are running around here playing like in a comedy club. Yet your into politics Right. Yeah whatever. :roll:
 
MMC said:
Libertarians and Tea Partiers.

Of course most of them are associated with the party now. We were talking about the parties being broken up, remember?

Oh and you would know this when half the time you are running around here playing like in a comedy club. Yet your into politics Right. Yeah whatever. :roll:
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Rand Paul was elected to the congress...now you apparently need to sit down for this last part.....AS A REPUBLICAN
 
ARealConservative said:
Rand Paul was elected to the congress...now you apparently need to sit down for this last part.....AS A REPUBLICAN
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Go back and read where you jumped in....then think about what you said. Now I know that might be difficult for you to grasp with your own words and all. As I answered your question.

So again that why I asked that question back to you. Oh and that he is elected as a Republican. That can't get any more obvious when there are only 2 parties. Do try to at least keep pace with what has been said and more importantly.....with what you thought.

Do you think you can manage that to filter thru now?
 
MMC said:
Go back and read where you jumped in....then think about what you said. Now I know that might be difficult for you to grasp with your own words and all. As I answered your question.

So again that why I asked that question back to you. Oh and that he is elected as a Republican. That can't get any more obvious when there are only 2 parties. Do try to at least keep pace with what has been said and more importantly.....with what you thought.

Do you think you can manage that to filter thru now?
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I jumped in with your nonsense about a political revolution where the solution is forcing people into parties labeled the way you want them labeled

your nonsense has only avalanched from there.
 
MrVicchio said:
Would you prefer we anoint someone because they ****ed a president?
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.... that is pretty much the Republican litmus test: who ****ed with or ***** the president the most.... Of course, that eliminates Christie, as he hugged him.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Read more @: Rand Paul announces presidential run

Expected. Rand Paul is officially in the race. Not a big announcement like Cruz, just a little posting on his website, but he is officially in the race. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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...and start the clock on how long it will be before he is the officially out of the race (he currently is unofficially out of it). Republicans love the idea of playing around with a libertarian, but they really can't actually marry one.
 
upsideguy said:
.... that is pretty much the Republican litmus test: who ****ed with or ***** the president the most.... Of course, that eliminates Christie as he hugged him.
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Yeah... you, amuse me in sad way.
 
If Carly Fiorina announces, I'm in. Competent, experienced, whip smart, no BS, not a politician. All plusses in my book.
 
ARealConservative said:
I jumped in with your nonsense about a political revolution where the solution is forcing people into parties labeled the way you want them labeled

your nonsense has only avalanched from there.
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Not quite, and the only ones I said about Forcing was the Demos. As to the Right, you stated....."you can try". Why would I need to try when I asked. Do they want to be associated to the Republican party.

The Libertarians can run a National Party and so to can the Tea Party. Many of them don't care for the establishment and say so openly. Which is the reason why you were asked that question.

So now has that short term memory snapped back into place?
 
I'm actually very pleased with the group of candidates running on the Republican ticket. I think several bring something to the debates. Rubio on foreign affairs, Rand Paul on a dysfunctional Washington and out of control spending. Walker for his accomplished record as governor, Carly Fiorina for her no nonsense approach and shaking things up, Carson because he isn't a politician. They all bring something of value to the debates. And the one candidate so many said didn't have a chance, Ted Cruz hauled in 31 million in less than one week in contributions. Obviously he has more folks supporting him than some may care to acknowledge.

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upsideguy said:
...and start the clock on how long it will be before he is the officially out of the race (he currently is unofficially out of it). Republicans love the idea of playing around with a libertarian, but they really can't actually marry one.
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Libertarians are only 20-25% of the Republican voters. Even most Republicans don't want to eliminate Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, which is what libertarians want to do. As for Rand Paul's deficit reduction goal, what is he going to cut?
 
MMC said:
Do they really want to be associated to the Republican Party? I would be more interested in seeing the Demos be broken up from the inside out.
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I think this country would be better off with 10-15 parties sharing power instead of 2.
 
ARealConservative said:
~eye roll
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Oh, I shouldn't have used the word force, huh. How about give them incentive to follow thru with what I have just got done telling you. Or were you letting that one word confuse you over all that was said.

Then again, I wouldn't be against forcing them out if giving up the 2 party system. Then yeah, and we would try real hard like. Because we can. :lol:
 
MMC said:
Looks like he will start off with some flak too.

No, not from the left or the MS Media either. Just Republicans.
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Face it, brother. With the stable of "also rans", suckers, dummies and fools declaring or about to declare their GOP candidacy it is going to be a made for television election like no other. None, I sincerely mean none, of the GOP candidates or assumed candidates represent the wishes and needs of most Americans, not even most of the wishes and needs of the GOP! Most people don't want any of these crazies anywhere near the Oval Office.

Now contrast that with Hillary, O'Malley and Webb. Webb is a serious contender, is damned qualified, a Vietnam Veteran, and is a no nonsense guy who is not a political whore. O'Malley, I don't know yet. But none of that matters because it seems that at this point liberals and progressive are all misty-eyed and dreamy over a Clinton presidency. That scares the hell out of me.

I don't even want to imagine the United States being lead by any GOP candidate, I can't imagine the nation being lead by Clinton. I get dry heaves thinking about it. Clinton is NOT the better choice over the any of the GOP bozos and none of the GOP bozos are the better choice over Clinton. Short of some kind of political deus ex machina we are all sweet and fairly ****ed.

Just like everyone else everyday, I walk around and talk to people, people I know well, friends, people I don't know well, family. I listen, I observe. Most people are fed the hell up with Congress and the White House and the condition of the nation. With the exception of Tea Baggers most people wouldn't think twice about supporting any of the above. Even Tea Baggers are leery of the presidential lunatics running out from under the rocks.

What bothers me most is that most Americans have given the hell up. They are willing to accept this even though they don't like it. "What can I do?" they say, and then they turn around and vote the party line - "because 3rd party candidates don't have a chance" - or they don't vote.

Washington, Congress, the machine is what has ****ed up this nation. Not Republican, not Democrats, but rather both parties. They are the problem, they cannot be the solution. And Americans keep doing the same thing and expecting different results. Democracy is dead in the United States.

So Ron Paul? More good media sound bites in the TeeVee nation. Another lunatic on the crazy train. And America will listen and watch and it'll all be like one big reality show where America gets to cheer among choices chosen for them and everyone loses. Toss Wolf Blitzer and Chris Matthews over the side. Let Jerry Springer do the election night Tee Vee commentary.
 
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MMC said:
Oh, I shouldn't have used the word force, huh. How about give them incentive to follow thru with what I have just got done telling you. Or were you letting that one word confuse you over all that was said.

Then again, I wouldn't be against forcing them out if giving up the 2 party system. Then yeah, and we would try real hard like. Because we can. :lol:
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you also shouldn't of lied when you said it was just the democrats you were talking about.
 
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