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Rolling Stone Retracts Rape Story..

I hope they sue the **** out of them.

News from The Associated Press

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) -- The fraternity at the center of a now-discredited Rolling Stone rape article says the story was defamatory and reckless and they are pursuing legal action against the magazine.

Phi Kappa Psi said Monday in a statement that the article was viewed by millions, led to members being ostracized and there was vandalism of the fraternity house.
 
Hopefully this doesn't deter victims of rape from coming forward, and being believed.

Unfortunately there is no way to avoid that.

Reading about the complete lack of journalistic integrity that went into this article is jaw dropping. That nobody has been fired over it is even more amazing. The author quoted people in her article that she never even spoke to.
 
Unfortunately there is no way to avoid that.

Reading about the complete lack of journalistic integrity that went into this article is jaw dropping. That nobody has been fired over it is even more amazing. The author quoted people in her article that she never even spoke to.
Along those lines, what gets me is this: They were quick to latch onto the story, quick to write the story, quick to publish the story, but... dragged their feet in any sort of correction once the truth came to light.

In kind of a perverse way, I think they wanted it to be true. And not just because of the ding they suffered regarding their credibility.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/06/business/media/rolling-stone-retracts-article-on-rape-at-university-of-virginia.html?_r=0

Rolling Stone magazine retracted its article about a brutal gang rape at a University of Virginia fraternity after the release of a report on Sunday that concluded the widely discredited piece was the result of failures at every stage of the process.

The report, published by the Columbia Graduate School of Journalism and commissioned by Rolling Stone, said the magazine failed to engage in “basic, even routine journalistic practice” to verify details of the ordeal that the magazine’s source, identified only as Jackie, described to the article’s author, Sabrina Rubin Erdely.



Well, it appears Mr. Wenner has his dck in a wringer once again...and he's sounding like Obama in his "explanation"....

Oops, there Jan, other journalists know bull**** when they see it, and no amount of pretzel speak is going to change the fact you ****ed up. Big time.

Handing this off to "Jackie" the unnamed source as kind of her fault, but "we're not blaming Jackie" is the kind of thing you live off, destroying people who do that that is.

"Jackie" is one in a few thousand who come along with a "good story"...and reporters in their intern year learn a basic technique, you confirm at least the basic details; police reports, doctor reports, eye witnesses etc. And, Mr. Jenner in future if this one time managing editor may make a suggestion: if, as in 99.9% of all stories you cannot obtain some form of collaboration, it goes to the dead file.
 
piece of garbage yellow tripe liberal sesspool magazine..

I hope they get sued to the point of going out of business
 
Well, it appears Mr. Wenner has his dck in a wringer once again...and he's sounding like Obama in his "explanation"....

Oops, there Jan, other journalists know bull**** when they see it, and no amount of pretzel speak is going to change the fact you ****ed up. Big time.

Handing this off to "Jackie" the unnamed source as kind of her fault, but "we're not blaming Jackie" is the kind of thing you live off, destroying people who do that that is.

"Jackie" is one in a few thousand who come along with a "good story"...and reporters in their intern year learn a basic technique, you confirm at least the basic details; police reports, doctor reports, eye witnesses etc. And, Mr. Jenner in future if this one time managing editor may make a suggestion: if, as in 99.9% of all stories you cannot obtain some form of collaboration, it goes to the dead file.

When you read this story, did you have the same moment I had of being strongly reminded of the 'Georgia Straight'?
 
I find it interesting that a society, like we have here in America, that glorifies sex and all it's deviations is shocked at the incidence at rape and other sexual assault.

Reap what you sow?

Actually, America has the most sexually repressive culture in the West, and simultaniously some of the highest rape rates in the West.

That is not in any way surprising. Rape rates rise as sexual repression rises in most cultures. Eventually, once you get to an extreme enough level of sexual repression, cultures just stop recognizing rape as being any different from sex at all.
 
Actually, America has the most sexually repressive culture in the West, and simultaniously some of the highest rape rates in the West.

That is not in any way surprising. Rape rates rise as sexual repression rises in most cultures. Eventually, once you get to an extreme enough level of sexual repression, cultures just stop recognizing rape as being any different from sex at all.
Is it possible that other cultures have the same things happen with the same frequency and that they just don't recognize/categorize it as rape?
 
Is it possible that other cultures have the same things happen with the same frequency and that they just don't recognize/categorize it as rape?

Not generally, no. Reporting actually drops as sexual repressiveness rises. Again, America has the lowest reporting in the West and the rape rate is probably worse than it appears. Repressive 3rd world countries often don't keep any records at all (or the consequences of a woman reporting rape are so severe that basically no one ever reports it). We know rape is extremely common there through surveys and observation.

So in reality, the disparity between the best and worst countries for rape is actually even larger than it appears. As a general rule, the more rape is occuring, the less it's being reported or recorded.
 
Along those lines, what gets me is this: They were quick to latch onto the story, quick to write the story, quick to publish the story, but... dragged their feet in any sort of correction once the truth came to light.

In kind of a perverse way, I think they wanted it to be true. And not just because of the ding they suffered regarding their credibility.

I think the assumed it was true and rushed it because they wanted to be first.
 
Guess we can stop taking The Rolling Stones as a serious journalistic publication then.
 
Guess we can stop taking The Rolling Stones as a serious journalistic publication then.

When did we start? :shrug:

I only considered them serious for music, and even that was 30+ years ago.

ETA: Doh!!! "The Rolling Stones" :lol: (The 30+ years comment still stands, though :cool:)
 
The collateral damage from this disgraceful lack of journalistic ethics will go on for years. The anti-Greek people used this lie as a way to attempt to destroy the already vulnerable Greek system at colleges. UVA suffered unnecessary bad PR. It makes it less likely that women who are legitimately raped at college parties will come forward.

Rolling Stone was always a rag. This just confirms it.

Problem is that it has hit the popular culture...Law and Order SVU just did an episode on it...
 
When did we start? :shrug:

I only considered them serious for music, and even that was 30+ years ago.

ETA: Doh!!! "The Rolling Stones" :lol: (The 30+ years comment still stands, though :cool:)

I believe there were some who were offering up RS as a serious source, more so than what it warranted.
 
Even a cursory investigation would have shown the facts of this particular case point to a false testimony. Rolling Stone is guilty of lazy reporting.

That should have nothing to do with future rape investigations where the victim was actually raped.

Lets not forget the Drive-by medias "It's not the seriousness of the charge rather a chance to set up a new class of victims for the government to protect" mantra.

They rallied around Rolling Stone, the journalist and the supposed victim here.
 
Actually, America has the most sexually repressive culture in the West, and simultaneously some of the highest rape rates in the West.

That is not in any way surprising. Rape rates rise as sexual repression rises in most cultures. Eventually, once you get to an extreme enough level of sexual repression, cultures just stop recognizing rape as being any different from sex at all.

Well it seems we are not as 'repressed' as you would think.

FBI — Table 1

Nice try though.
 
Well it seems we are not as 'repressed' as you would think.

FBI — Table 1

Nice try though.

Um... your link has nothing to do with what I said, dude. Which was about, ya know.. comparitive statistics. Not the US in a vacuum against itself. There are places outside the US, you know.
 
Rolling Stone is in for a mother of a lawsuit.
 
Um... your link has nothing to do with what I said, dude. Which was about, ya know.. comparitive statistics. Not the US in a vacuum against itself. There are places outside the US, you know.

You said. America = repressed = ever increasing rape rates.

What else I'm I suppose to derive from that?
 
Actually, America has the most sexually repressive culture in the West, and simultaniously some of the highest rape rates in the West.

That is not in any way surprising. Rape rates rise as sexual repression rises in most cultures. Eventually, once you get to an extreme enough level of sexual repression, cultures just stop recognizing rape as being any different from sex at all.

I think this is a bunch of BS. Rape isn't about sex -- it's about power.
 
People who get their news about criminal activity from an entertainment rag probably get their news about international relations from "The Sporting News".

Ladies and gentlemen, before drinking from the stream, consider the source!
 
You said. America = repressed = ever increasing rape rates.

What else I'm I suppose to derive from that?

Nope. I said America is among the most repressive in the West, and it has relatively high rape rates to match.

I did not say it is getting more so. I said other places that are more repressive have even worse rape rates. Reading comprehension. It's a thing.
 
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