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Rolling Stone Retracts Rape Story..

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/06/business/media/rolling-stone-retracts-article-on-rape-at-university-of-virginia.html?_r=0

Rolling Stone magazine retracted its article about a brutal gang rape at a University of Virginia fraternity after the release of a report on Sunday that concluded the widely discredited piece was the result of failures at every stage of the process.

The report, published by the Columbia Graduate School of Journalism and commissioned by Rolling Stone, said the magazine failed to engage in “basic, even routine journalistic practice” to verify details of the ordeal that the magazine’s source, identified only as Jackie, described to the article’s author, Sabrina Rubin Erdely.
 
Hopefully this doesn't deter victims of rape from coming forward, and being believed.
 
...and hopefully people with the title of fact checker get fired when they don't actually check facts.
 
Hopefully this doesn't deter victims of rape from coming forward, and being believed.

That's the problem with the belief that the Facts Matter Less Than The Narrative - it is, in effect, crying wolf, and it delegitimizes those who need real help.
 
That's the problem with the belief that the Facts Matter Less Than The Narrative - it is, in effect, crying wolf, and it delegitimizes those who need real help.

I agree. The problem is that false reports of rape constitute about 2% of all allegations.
 
I agree. The problem is that false reports of rape constitute about 2% of all allegations.

That's an interesting statistic. Based on what?
 
These stats are stale and incomplete, but from Wiki:

A false accusation of rape is the intentional reporting of a rape by an alleged victim where no rape has occurred. While it is difficult to assess the prevalence of false accusations due to such accusations being conflated with non-prosecuted cases as "unfounded", in the United States, the FBI Uniform Crime Report in 1996 and the United States Department of Justice in 1997 stated 8% of rape accusations in the United States were regarded as unfounded or false. Studies in other countries have reported their own rates at anywhere from 1.5% (Denmark) to 10% (Canada). Due to varying definitions of a "False Accusation", the true percentage of false accusations remains unknown. False accusation of rape - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/06/business/media/rolling-stone-retracts-article-on-rape-at-university-of-virginia.html?_r=0

Rolling Stone magazine retracted its article about a brutal gang rape at a University of Virginia fraternity after the release of a report on Sunday that concluded the widely discredited piece was the result of failures at every stage of the process.

The report, published by the Columbia Graduate School of Journalism and commissioned by Rolling Stone, said the magazine failed to engage in “basic, even routine journalistic practice” to verify details of the ordeal that the magazine’s source, identified only as Jackie, described to the article’s author, Sabrina Rubin Erdely.

The collateral damage from this disgraceful lack of journalistic ethics will go on for years. The anti-Greek people used this lie as a way to attempt to destroy the already vulnerable Greek system at colleges. UVA suffered unnecessary bad PR. It makes it less likely that women who are legitimately raped at college parties will come forward.

Rolling Stone was always a rag. This just confirms it.
 
Hopefully this doesn't deter victims of rape from coming forward, and being believed.

I don't see how an obvious liar can have that much of an impact on someone who was raped and whether or not that person comes forward.

I do hope, however, that people stop swallowing the narrative Rolling Stone likes to push hook, line, and sinker.
 
That's an interesting statistic. Based on what?

MAAN » Myths about false accusation

Only about 2% of all rape and related sex charges are determined to be false, the same percentage as for other felonies (FBI). So while they do happen, and they are very problematic when they do, people claim that allegations are false far more frequently than they are and far more frequently than for other crimes. Put another way, we are much more likely to disbelieve a woman if she says she was raped than if she says she was robbed, but for no good reason.

On a related note, only about 40% of rapes are ever reported to the police, and this is partly because victims know that if their claim becomes public, their every behavior will be scrutinized, they will be shamed for their sexual history, and they will be labeled as lunatic, psychotic, paranoid, and manipulative. Just because someone does not report their crime does not mean it did not happen. Furthermore, only one in two claims lead to prosecution, so if the DA decides not to prosecute, that says nothing about whether or not it happened. (http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates)
 
I don't see how an obvious liar can have that much of an impact on someone who was raped and whether or not that person comes forward.

When a college rape allegation happens in the future, watch for the people who cite the Rolling Stones article. I guarantee there will be many, many who do.
 

Um. Your link does not say what you quoted. It instead is discussing the rates of incarceration. And even there I can spot a major assumption flaw - that each rapist only rapes one woman.

But I spot an error here:

..Only about 2% of all rape and related sex charges are determined to be false...

That's not the same as "2% of allegations are false". That's "2% of allegations are proven false, and a (likely higher) percentage of others are left ambiguous".
 
I agree. The problem is that false reports of rape constitute about 2% of all allegations.
I don't see that as even related to "the problem" of this particular incident.

The problem of this particular incident is reporters so eager to push a narrative that they disregard everything they have supposedly learned about what real journalism is supposed to be. They failed on every conceivable level and HURT innocent people. They should be in jail or at the very least, sued out of business. The moral of the story here has NOTHING to do with rape, rape victims, or anything else associated with the crime of rape.
 
When a college rape allegation happens in the future, watch for the people who cite the Rolling Stones article. I guarantee there will be many, many who do.

Or whatshername, who is the creator of Girls. Or the famous Tawana Brawely case. Or the Emma Sulkowicz rape story. Or the hyperbolic false rape statistics pushed by the President.


We are getting more hysterical about rape as it becomes less of a problem in our society.
 
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Um. Your link does not say what you quoted. It instead is discussing the rates of incarceration. And even there I can spot a major assumption flaw - that each rapist only rapes one woman.

But I spot an error here:



That's not the same as "2% of allegations are false". That's "2% of allegations are proven false, and a (likely higher) percentage of others are left ambiguous".

You are correct that 'false' and 'determined to be false' should not be used interchangeably. I apologize.
 
The collateral damage from this disgraceful lack of journalistic ethics will go on for years. The anti-Greek people used this lie as a way to attempt to destroy the already vulnerable Greek system at colleges. UVA suffered unnecessary bad PR. It makes it less likely that women who are legitimately raped at college parties will come forward.

Rolling Stone was always a rag. This just confirms it.

When did a music magazine get any sort of cred anyways? Mother Earth went the same path.
 
I find it interesting that a society, like we have here in America, that glorifies sex and all it's deviations is shocked at the incidence at rape and other sexual assault.

Reap what you sow?
 
When did a music magazine get any sort of cred anyways? Mother Earth went the same path.
Mother Earth had to change focus when the 'back to the land' movement petered out and Rolling Stone had to change gears the day the music died. Both chose to go Left thinking their audience, who they figured were unable to think critically, would follow.
 
When a college rape allegation happens in the future, watch for the people who cite the Rolling Stones article. I guarantee there will be many, many who do.

Even a cursory investigation would have shown the facts of this particular case point to a false testimony. Rolling Stone is guilty of lazy reporting.

That should have nothing to do with future rape investigations where the victim was actually raped.
 
Hopefully this doesn't deter victims of rape from coming forward, and being believed.

Why would it deter actual victims of rape? They could find zero proof in this case -- in a REAL case, there are all kinds of proof.
 
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