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Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement

I am very happy to hear that the people of Iran are enthusiastic about the nuclear agreement that has been reached. I really, really hope this works out well for them. It is a much needed chance for them and I hope they take advantage of this historic opportunity!



Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement - WSJ

Hat's off to Obama for taking this brave step. May his efforts in this regards be successful!

Hopefully they will get nuclear weapons and it will start an arms race in the middle east and eventually Sunni and Shia will blow themselves to bits, ending decades of strife in the middle east. The survivors will blow their horns and raise their hands in victory.
 
Simpleχity;1064494896 said:
That's no lasting solution. You can't simply bomb away nuclear knowledge.

In 2001 GW Bush sent a note to Libya's Gadaffi saying that Gadaffi could either get rid of his nuclear program or the US would immediately destroy it without further discussion. Gadaffi immediately announced that he was getting rid of the program, and he did so.

That's how you deal with savages.
 
Simpleχity;1064492669 said:
The Iranians gave up far more in the framework agreement than I ever envisioned. If some things are tweaked a bit and some other things defined a bit better, then this *could be* a very robust deal. But firstly, it must all be precisely spelled out in a universal document and signed by the Iranians. Secondly, no agreement will work unless the IAEA has access to all Iranian documents/data/facilities/materials. This includes all PMDs (Possible Military Dimensions).

Including unhindered snap inspections.
 
America is the worlds largest arms dealer and as such is responsible for the deaths of vastly more humans than Iran. :roll:

We are not the ones selling AK 47s to terrorists. sport.
 
Hopefully they will get nuclear weapons and it will start an arms race in the middle east and eventually Sunni and Shia will blow themselves to bits, ending decades of strife in the middle east. The survivors will blow their horns and raise their hands in victory.

Yes, hopefully there's a nuclear war in the Middle East. :roll:
 
Yes, hopefully there's a nuclear war in the Middle East. :roll:

This is one possible consequence of what many consider to be a bad deal, which has no hope of passage in June, and ends with a delayed development of nuclear weapons in Iran, a country whose leadership is unstable and desires to be the major political and military power in the region. The Saudi's want the bomb now, as a result of our foolish foreign policy of leading from behind, which is really following and begging.
 
I am very happy to hear that the people of Iran are enthusiastic about the nuclear agreement that has been reached. I really, really hope this works out well for them. It is a much needed chance for them and I hope they take advantage of this historic opportunity!



Iranians See Victory, Hope for New Image in Nuclear Agreement - WSJ

Hat's off to Obama for taking this brave step. May his efforts in this regards be successful!



Nothing like a bait thread on a Saturday morning.
 
This is one possible consequence of what many consider to be a bad deal, which has no hope of passage in June, and ends with a delayed development of nuclear weapons in Iran, a country whose leadership is unstable and desires to be the major political and military power in the region. The Saudi's want the bomb now, as a result of our foolish foreign policy of leading from behind, which is really following and begging.

Do you know what kind of morons it takes to call a deal that hasn't even been produced a bad deal, or a good deal for that matter?
 
Do you know what kind of morons it takes to call a deal that hasn't even been produced a bad deal, or a good deal for that matter?

Read the framework and decide for yourself if it allows Iran to process fissile material and eventually develop a nuclear weapon. A dirty bomb does't even require weapons grade uranium. Even the Europeans who were our negotiation partners claim that we rolled over for Iran, just to have a framework. Good foreign policy requires an understanding of the appropriate use of power. What we did was give up our power and resort to begging. What kind of moron likes a bad deal?
 
Read the framework and decide for yourself if it allows Iran to process fissile material and eventually develop a nuclear weapon.
What don't you understand? They already possess the knowledge and the expertise. It is far too late to totally prevent this eventuality.

A dirty bomb does't even require weapons grade uranium.
Virtually anyone with some determination can fabricate a dirty bomb (RDD). In the US alone, one orphan radiological source is lost, abandoned, or stolen every day.

Even the Europeans who were our negotiation partners claim that we rolled over for Iran, just to have a framework.
Show me (link) where any of the 5+1/EU negotiators disapproved of the framework agreement or are not willing to go forward.
 
Read the framework and decide for yourself if it allows Iran to process fissile material and eventually develop a nuclear weapon. A dirty bomb does't even require weapons grade uranium. Even the Europeans who were our negotiation partners claim that we rolled over for Iran, just to have a framework. Good foreign policy requires an understanding of the appropriate use of power. What we did was give up our power and resort to begging. What kind of moron likes a bad deal?

If the other negotiators don't like the deal, they don't have to agree, and then there's no deal, see. The framework at present is acceptable to me.
 
What horrible piece of trash taught you to write?

So you at least think WWII was worth it? Really? In what way did WWII meet your standards? If nothing else meets your standards I don't see how WWII could have.

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If the other negotiators don't like the deal, they don't have to agree, and then there's no deal, see. The framework at present is acceptable to me.


Good. Sign the treaty and we're done.
 
Simpleχity;1064495175 said:
What don't you understand? They already possess the knowledge and the expertise. It is far too late to totally prevent this eventuality.


Virtually anyone with some determination can fabricate a dirty bomb (RDD). In the US alone, one orphan radiological source is lost, abandoned, or stolen every day.


Show me (link) where any of the 5+1/EU negotiators disapproved of the framework agreement or are not willing to go forward.

Isn't that the point of this? The hope is that they would dismantle their nuclear program and stop being an international state sponsor of insurrection. None of this was addressed in the framework because this administration is weak.
 
Good. Sign the treaty and we're done.
There remain aspects that have to be firmed up. Although a good start, the framework as-is is too amorphous and requires more clarity, depth, and definition.
 
The hope is that they would dismantle their nuclear program and stop being an international state sponsor of insurrection. None of this was addressed in the framework because this administration is weak.
There was never any intent in the Lausanne negotiations to go beyond its core mandate ... capping Iran's nuclear ambitions in return for sanction relief.
 
You can label yourself anything you want, but you are supporting a far right wing, non-secular, theocratic, fascist regime in helping them get things that prop up and maintain that regimes very existence. *shrug*

Yup. Being in favor of diplomacy makes me support this regime. Your logic is full of strawman arguments.
 
Yup. Being in favor of diplomacy makes me support this regime. Your logic is full of strawman arguments.


it's not a strawman. It's fact. iran=oppressive human rights violating fascist theocracy...


You cheer them getting the things they need to continue to be such.


You support fascism.
 
it's not a strawman. It's fact. iran=oppressive human rights violating fascist theocracy...
I dont disagree that Iran is an opressive regime, violates human rights, is a theocracy, and has elements of fascism.

You cheer them getting the things they need to continue to be such.
What are these "things"?


You support fascism.
Nope. No I do not.
 
Simpleχity;1064495368 said:
There remain aspects that have to be firmed up. Although a good start, the framework as-is is too amorphous and requires more clarity, depth, and definition.

True. That's why it's just a frame, and not the painting.
 
I dont disagree that Iran is an opressive regime, violates human rights, is a theocracy, and has elements of fascism.


What are these "things"?



Nope. No I do not.



yet you seem gleeful and 100% trusting of irans "peaceful" desire for nuclear "power".

Despite thier history of the opposite actions and desires even today.


This is support of benefitting a fascist regime.


thus you support it
 
yet you seem gleeful and 100% trusting of irans "peaceful" desire for nuclear "power".
Iran is guaranteed the right to pursue nuclear-power under the NPT. The core issue at hand is delimiting their ambitions/ability to go farther.
 
Simpleχity;1064500351 said:
Iran is guaranteed the right to pursue nuclear-power under the NPT. The core issue at hand is delimiting their ambitions/ability to go farther.



That's fine, but let's be honest here, given the country's aggressive support for terrorism, and expanionsist pan-islamic goals, oppressive nature, and history of hostility towards UN inspectors.. That along with even negotiating anything other than opene and unmolested access for inspectors. That there goal is a nuclear weapon.

If you think we should let aggressive, violent, fascists regimes get nuclear weapons, then, you are on the right side of history my friend.
 
That's fine, but let's be honest here, given the country's aggressive support for terrorism, and expanionsist pan-islamic goals, oppressive nature, and history of hostility towards UN inspectors.. That along with even negotiating anything other than opene and unmolested access for inspectors. That there goal is a nuclear weapon.

If you think we should let aggressive, violent, fascists regimes get nuclear weapons, then, you are on the right side of history my friend.

Where did he suggest Iran should be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons, can you read? The P5+1 and all the rest of us want a non nuclear weapons powered Iran! Period. Toward that end, Diplomacy first and military action last! We're still in the diplomacy stage.
 
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