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E.U. and Iran Announce Framework for Nuclear Deal

It should be noted that tweets by Iran's Foreign Minister, Javad Zarif (@JZarif), question some of the provisions cited in the above factsheet. Two relevant tweets:

Iran/5+1 Statement: "US will cease the application of ALL nuclear-related secondary economic and financial sanctions." Is this gradual?

Iran/P5+1 Statement: "The EU will TERMINATE the implementation of ALL nuclear-related economic and financial sanctions". How about this?


Like how he used that word DS. So what did you think about all he said last night?



LAUSANNE, Switzerland — Just hours after the announcement of what the United States characterized as a historic agreement with Iran over its nuclear program, the country’s leading negotiator lashed out at the Obama administration for lying about the details of a tentative framework. Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif accused the Obama administration of misleading the American people and Congress in a fact sheet it released following the culmination of negotiations with the Islamic Republic.

Following a subsequent press conference by Secretary of State John Kerry—and release of a administration fact sheet on Iranian concessions—Zarif lashed out on Twitter over what he dubbed lies.

Zarif, echoing previous comments, said the United States has promised an immediate termination of sanctions. Zarif also revealed that Iran will be allowed to sell “enriched uranium” in the international market place and will be “hopefully making some money” from it......snip~

Iran Accuses U.S. of Lying About New Nuke Agreement | Washington Free Beacon
 
I want to read the text. At the moment it looks like we do not know enough. But so far there is no indication of a sufficient deal.

It's the framework for a deal.
 
And as such it is much better than I had expected.

Heya Jog :2wave: is that after what the Iranians are saying about the deal?



WaPo: The Iran deal is a cave — by Obama’s own standards


The Washington Post editorial board embarrassed itself yesterday, but today they score a direct hit on Barack Obama and the deal he cut to escape the vigilance required to contain Iran. The editors remind readers about the principles that the US — and Obama himself — insisted on having in any deal with Tehran to end sanctions over their nuclear-weapons program. Even off of Obama’s own demands, made just three years ago, yesterday’s agreement in principles is an unmitigated defeat:

WaPo: The Iran deal is a cave — by Obama’s own standards « Hot Air
 
Heya Soot. :2wave: To get their Nuke.....you don't think being 2-3months from break out. That they will just stop the completion of what they have been striving for these last 20 years or so, did ya?

If they are that hellbent on getting a nuke...then what on earth would stop them beyond an invasion?
 
If they are that hellbent on getting a nuke...then what on earth would stop them beyond an invasion?

Heya ILOR. :2wave: Define invasion.....as here is a time, that would require some of that concept BO talked about, with using a scalpel and not a Meat Cleaver.
 
Scratch invasion and replace it with regime change.

That's not a scalpel that's a club. :lol:



Barack Obama framed this deal yesterday as the only alternative to war, which he claims is what his critics preferred:

When you hear the inevitable critics of the deal sound off, ask them a simple question,” Obama said. “Do you really think that this verifiable deal, if fully implemented, backed by the world’s major powers is a worse option than the risk of another war in the Middle East?” … He dismissed hawks who said that military strikes would work better than diplomacy. U.S. bombs, he argued, would set back Iran’s program for only a few years. “Meanwhile, we’d ensure that Iran would race ahead to try and build a bomb,” he said[.]

Actually, that’s not what critics wanted. They wanted all of the sanctions to remain in place until we at least got the deal that Obama outlined in 2012, not what he delivered yesterday – and an end to Iranian sponsorship of terror in the region and around the world, such as in Buenos Aires. The deal Obama outlined yesterday won’t stop more wars from erupting in the Middle East; it will provide a cash avalanche for Iran to greatly expand its proxy wars in the Middle East, targeting Israel, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia. You could smell the aroma from Obama’s burning straw man from Washington to Tel Aviv......snip~

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/04/03/wapo-the-iran-deal-is-a-cave-by-obamas-own-standards/
 
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That's not a scalpel that's a club. :lol:



Barack Obama framed this deal yesterday as the only alternative to war, which he claims is what his critics preferred:

When you hear the inevitable critics of the deal sound off, ask them a simple question,” Obama said. “Do you really think that this verifiable deal, if fully implemented, backed by the world’s major powers is a worse option than the risk of another war in the Middle East?” … He dismissed hawks who said that military strikes would work better than diplomacy. U.S. bombs, he argued, would set back Iran’s program for only a few years. “Meanwhile, we’d ensure that Iran would race ahead to try and build a bomb,” he said[.]

Actually, that’s not what critics wanted. They wanted all of the sanctions to remain in place until we at least got the deal that Obama outlined in 2012, not what he delivered yesterday – and an end to Iranian sponsorship of terror in the region and around the world, such as in Buenos Aires. The deal Obama outlined yesterday won’t stop more wars from erupting in the Middle East; it will provide a cash avalanche for Iran to greatly expand its proxy wars in the Middle East, targeting Israel, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia. You could smell the aroma from Obama’s burning straw man from Washington to Tel Aviv......snip~

WaPo: The Iran deal is a cave — by Obama’s own standards « Hot Air

The sanctions are still in place and are only to be relieved over time as compliance is verified.

So the only deal you would ever support is a deal that would never happen?
 
The sanctions are still in place and are only to be relieved over time as compliance is verified.

So the only deal you would ever support is a deal that would never happen?


That's not what the Iranian said....as Don Southerland already had up. ;)





Two relevant tweets:

Iran/5+1 Statement: "US will cease the application of ALL nuclear-related secondary economic and financial sanctions." Is this gradual?

Iran/P5+1 Statement: "The EU will TERMINATE the implementation of ALL nuclear-related economic and financial sanctions". How about this?
 
That's not what the Iranian said....as Don Southerland already had up. ;

Sure..and Bibi stated there would not be two states as long as he's Prime Minister and soon after getting elected backtracked heavily. National leaders posture. While Reagan was giving the "tear down this wall" speech he was working with the Russian government. The only thing that matters is what is in the deal and if the 5+1 group believes that Iran is adhering to the deal. If not, they will put into place sanctions. As long as the 5+1 refuse to lift sanctions until Iran proves itself then the final agreement will never be signed.

At the end of the day, this deal has the most potential to set back the Iranian nuclear program than anything done other than a bombing campaign.
 
Sure..and Bibi stated there would not be two states as long as he's Prime Minister and soon after getting elected backtracked heavily. National leaders posture. While Reagan was giving the "tear down this wall" speech he was working with the Russian government. The only thing that matters is what is in the deal and if the 5+1 group believes that Iran is adhering to the deal. If not, they will put into place sanctions. As long as the 5+1 refuse to lift sanctions until Iran proves itself then the final agreement will never be signed.

At the end of the day, this deal has the most potential to set back the Iranian nuclear program than anything done other than a bombing campaign.


Which still gives them their nuke if no agreement is signed.....it also will allow the Saud, the Egyptians, and others to begin their nuke programs. As they have already stated they will have what Iran will.



Outstanding Problems and Concerns:

Well, let's start with Iranian officials' various triumphant pronouncements, including throwing serious shade at the State Department's "fact sheet," which is dismissed as "spin." Which of its elements does Tehran view as illegitimate or misleading? One supposes that Kerry and company will find out in the next few months, as the nuclear clock ticks away, of course:


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Let's also recall that a major reason that additional sanctions were slapped on Iran in the first place is that they were caught cheating on another international nuclear treaty -- because that's what they do. They cheat. The State Department's fact sheet assures us that even when various provisions of the new would-be deal expire, Iran would still be bound by that same treaty (NPT) it has already breached. In an attempt to fortify the mullah's good intentions on the nuclear front, Obama cited a religious order, or "fatwa," issued by Ayatollah Khamenei that forbids nuclear weapons. Two problems: The fatwa doesn't actually exist, and Iran has a history of ignoring their own fatwas in order to achieve their military goals. Obama's reference to this nonexistence edict is misleading and naive......snip~

Revealed: What You Need to Know About the Iranian Nuclear 'Framework' - Guy Benson
 
Which still gives them their nuke if no agreement is signed.....it also will allow the Saud, the Egyptians, and others to begin their nuke programs. As they have already stated they will have what Iran will.



Outstanding Problems and Concerns:

Well, let's start with Iranian officials' various triumphant pronouncements, including throwing serious shade at the State Department's "fact sheet," which is dismissed as "spin." Which of its elements does Tehran view as illegitimate or misleading? One supposes that Kerry and company will find out in the next few months, as the nuclear clock ticks away, of course:


CBmpuqZWIAAnVVW.png:small


Let's also recall that a major reason that additional sanctions were slapped on Iran in the first place is that they were caught cheating on another international nuclear treaty -- because that's what they do. They cheat. The State Department's fact sheet assures us that even when various provisions of the new would-be deal expire, Iran would still be bound by that same treaty (NPT) it has already breached. In an attempt to fortify the mullah's good intentions on the nuclear front, Obama cited a religious order, or "fatwa," issued by Ayatollah Khamenei that forbids nuclear weapons. Two problems: The fatwa doesn't actually exist, and Iran has a history of ignoring their own fatwas in order to achieve their military goals. Obama's reference to this nonexistence edict is misleading and naive......snip~

Revealed: What You Need to Know About the Iranian Nuclear 'Framework' - Guy Benson

At the end of the day...the agreement depends on Iran and the 5+1 agreeing to the terms. Iran can say whatever they want frankly, it's actions that matter. I'm not sure how the "nuclear clock is ticking away" as we are in the same exact position now that we'd be if the agreement wasn't being worked on...

As for the additional sanctions...I remember that time. The reason we have additional sanctions is Pres Obama pushed heavily for them while Bibi and Republicans were talking red lines and bombings. The President pushed for a less drastic measure and lo and behold...we got what we wanted without dropping bombs.
 
At the end of the day...the agreement depends on Iran and the 5+1 agreeing to the terms. Iran can say whatever they want frankly, it's actions that matter. I'm not sure how the "nuclear clock is ticking away" as we are in the same exact position now that we'd be if the agreement wasn't being worked on...

As for the additional sanctions...I remember that time. The reason we have additional sanctions is Pres Obama pushed heavily for them while Bibi and Republicans were talking red lines and bombings. The President pushed for a less drastic measure and lo and behold...we got what we wanted without dropping bombs.



Not quite.....BO was resisting those sanctions. Underlined takes you to that link showing where BO had difficulties.


Finally, a few notes on President Obama's Rose Garden remarks, after which he took no questions: He gave a short history lesson about recent US-Iranian relations, correctly stating that stepped-up sanctions hurt Iran's economy and forced them to the negotiating table. He didn't mentioned that he'd strenuously resisted those very sanctions. This is a reflection on his judgment. Obama went on to claim that the current interim agreement has worked flawlessly, despite cynics' complaints when it was unveiled. This brag ignores an inconvenient little "mishap" that we oughtn't worry about.....snip~

Menendez livid at Obama team

That mishap is shown too.
 
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